PhillyKev 0 #26 December 22, 2004 Quoteit's not there period. Are you implying that anything not directly addressed in the Constitution, regardless of the 9th and 10th amendments, does not have protection from bigotry? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #27 December 23, 2004 QuoteAmendment IX, Bill of Rights, The Constitution of the united States of America. The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people. Quotee·nu·mer·ate 1. To count off or name one by one; list: A spokesperson enumerated the strikers' demands. 2. To determine the number of; count. http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=enumerate Gay rights do not have to be specifically addressed by the Constitution to fall under that document's umbrella of protection. You do recognize the Bill of Rights as a part of the Constitution, right?Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GQ_jumper 4 #28 December 23, 2004 Not everyone is offended or PC. The execs of my company are Jewish and have been wishing everyone that comes in the office a Merry Christmas even thou most of the people in this neighborhood are Jewish! _________________________________________ *** i must've worded what i said wrong, i know not all non christians are like that, just the ones like the parents that get the decorations banned from schools while they say its ok to put up a decoration from their beliefs. i'm no knockin everyone non christian, i'm not a christian eitherHistory does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bodypilot90 0 #29 December 23, 2004 what I am saying is a man and a woman gets married. Look at the history of this country and the roots of marrage itself. The left is trying to redefine it to something it never was and never intended to be. If they want to have unions call it flaooning or whatever. It's just not a marrage. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #30 December 23, 2004 Quote what I am saying is a man and a woman gets married. Look at the history of this country and the roots of marrage itself. The left is trying to redefine it to something it never was and never intended to be. If they want to have unions call it flaooning or whatever. It's just not a marrage. I guess you know the intentions of all mankind before you? You're arguments sound remarkebly similar to those that opposed slavery, womens voting rights, etc. Sad.Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bodypilot90 0 #31 December 23, 2004 QuoteI guess you know the intentions of all mankind before you? No I just read what our founding fathers wrote, I see you are a student, do the research. QuoteYou're arguments sound remarkebly similar to those that opposed slavery, womens voting rights yes I am still opposed to slavery and for females voting, I guess you are for slavery and opposed to females voting? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #32 December 23, 2004 Quoteyes I am still opposed to slavery and for females voting, I guess you are for slavery and opposed to females voting? Okay. I desrved that for not checking for typos. I meant those that were against ending slavery. Think that ending slavery and female suffrage are great. And I am still against discriminating against gays when it comes to marriage? What does it matter what the sexes are? If their philosophies do not forbid same sex marriage, what business of yours is it to get involved in the decision?Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bodypilot90 0 #33 December 23, 2004 QuoteOkay. I desrved that for not checking for typos. I meant those that were against ending slavery. ok just think of it as a wack in the head by a evil conservative Quotewhat business of yours is it to get involved in the decision because I am a vet and I am still free to voice how I feel no matter how the left wants to stop me. Kind of related to the tread. the aclu want to stop a christmas carol here and bible club at a school there. The left claims to be freedom it's just not applied to christians Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #34 December 23, 2004 Quote because I am a vet and I am still free to voice how I feel no matter how the left wants to stop me. Kind of related to the tread. the aclu want to stop a christmas carol here and bible club at a school there. The left claims to be freedom it's just not applied to christians I, too, am a vet, but that does not give me a right to get my nose into others' personal business. The anti-Christian movement is as exaggerated as the liberal media. Its a joke to help the right feel like victims. WAaahhhhhhhhhh! Tolerance for other religions is not even close to the same thing as intolerance for Christianity.Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
aerohaga 0 #35 December 23, 2004 QuoteQuoteIf you have a fear of, or contempt for homosexuality, you are a homophobe, by definition. No fear of them at all, just do not want to give "them" made up rights that they never had and never should have. QuoteIf you do not believe that women have a choice what they do to their bodies, you are, by definition, anti-choice. no we are prolife, preborn babies are alive. Since you are not then you are prodeath? Thank you-you said it before I could.For my part, I know nothing with any certainty, But the sight of the stars makes me dream. -Vincent Van Gogh Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zenister 0 #36 December 23, 2004 QuoteQuoteQuoteIf you have a fear of, or contempt for homosexuality, you are a homophobe, by definition. No fear of them at all, just do not want to give "them" made up rights that they never had and never should have. QuoteIf you do not believe that women have a choice what they do to their bodies, you are, by definition, anti-choice. no we are prolife, preborn babies are alive. Since you are not then you are prodeath? Thank you-you said it before I could. ah yes this argument again.. warts are alive, they are not human, but they are alive. If you are against their removal regardless of the wishes of the Human to which they are attached you are anti-choice... before birth it is a fetus, after birth it becomes a baby... calling it a 'pre-born' baby doenst give it equal status with self sufficient, self sustaining life.____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #37 December 23, 2004 Quotebefore birth it is a fetus, after birth it becomes a baby... calling it a 'pre-born' baby doenst give it equal status with self sufficient, self sustaining life. Someone surviving on a respirator isn't self sufficient, self sustaining life. Should pulling the not cout as murder? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #38 December 23, 2004 Shouldn't be murder if that's what they want.Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #39 December 23, 2004 QuoteShouldn't be murder if that's what they want. I'm sure an unborn baby wouldn't want to be aborted either. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #40 December 23, 2004 QuoteI'm sure an unborn baby wouldn't want to be aborted either. You're sure? How's that?Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #41 December 23, 2004 QuoteQuoteI'm sure an unborn baby wouldn't want to be aborted either. You're sure? How's that? Having been a baby once myself, I think I can speak for all babies in this regard. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RoadRash 0 #42 December 23, 2004 QuoteQuoteI'm sure an unborn baby wouldn't want to be aborted either. You're sure? How's that? Because however much you despise me...I wouldn't be here if it were socially acceptable to abort babies in 1952...My mother was adopted...and I am proud of that fact...I am also proud of the 15 year old girl who had to go through 9 months of carrying a baby before she gave it away...oh, and she even gave my mom a name before she did it... edited to add: Oh, and in two weeks I will be looking for this woman's name to see if she is still alive and thank her for making the right choice for me and my mother...~R+R...Want to hear the kicker? I am pro-choice...but I would personally have a child if I got pregnant...~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ Fly the friendly skies...^_^...})ii({...^_~... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
juanesky 0 #43 December 23, 2004 If you care so much, you can read the origin of species, and watch national geographics, and come to the same conclusion that all living creatures will have the instinct to survive...."According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #44 December 23, 2004 I just don't believe the government should have any say in the matter. It is not their place. It is a personal choice.Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #45 December 23, 2004 QuoteI just don't believe the government should have any say in the matter. It is not their place. It is a personal choice. Who said anything about the govt? I just said I didn't think babies wanted to be aborted. I think that would be their "choice". Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GravityGirl 0 #46 December 23, 2004 Where the hell are all of these supposed anit-Christmas people congregating? Not in my neighborhood. My daughter has not offended a single person this season as she merrily chants Merry Christmas to EVERYONE she encounters. All I've seen it produce are smiles. And that is in San Francisco, Oakland, The Greater Bay Area as well as my little cow poke town of Byron. In fact I never heard of ANYONE complaining about how others celebrate the holiday until I peek in on SC. Instead of focusing on the negativity of such a small percentage of people, why not have a good look around. Look at the faces of children. Share a Holiday smile with a stranger. Place a little something in that Salvation Army Tin. If you truely beleive this to be a religious holiday, than act like a religious man/woman and share the love instead of harboring the hate. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Peace and Blue Skies! Bonnie ==>Gravity Gear! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
3ringheathen 0 #47 December 23, 2004 Quote The Bible tells us it is wrong to eat shellfish, but I don't see Shrub or the Christian Right pushing for a seafood amendment to the Constitution. It's not exactly crystal clear that the bible actually forbids homosexuality: http://www.religioustolerance.org/hom_bibh.htm Regardless, that's between them and God, it's not for us to fret over. Judge not...remember? Besides, if one doesn't like the idea of gay sex, the surest way to kill their sex drive is to let them get married. It works for heterosexuals. -Josh If you have time to panic, you have time to do something more productive. -Me* *Ron has accused me of plagiarizing this quote. He attributes it to Douglas Adams. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zenister 0 #48 December 23, 2004 Quote Quotebefore birth it is a fetus, after birth it becomes a baby... calling it a 'pre-born' baby doenst give it equal status with self sufficient, self sustaining life. Someone surviving on a respirator isn't self sufficient, self sustaining life. Should pulling the not cout as murder? distractor.. at some point they were (and so fulfilled the definition) and either deteriorated due to age/disease or had an accident... in addition we are not trying to wiegh the rights of the 'respirator' vs the rights of the one on support.. now if you'd like to argue about the how the respirator's needs are secondary to the life it supports we certainly can, but your comparison does not apply otherwise...____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bodypilot90 0 #49 December 23, 2004 QuoteWhere the hell are all of these supposed anit-Christmas people congregating? at the aclu and other groups like it, Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peregrinerose 0 #50 December 23, 2004 QuoteI'll remember that the next time I'm called a "homophobe" or "anti-choice" because I base my beliefs on the Bible. Being called a homophobe or anti-choice has nothing to do with the Bible. They are your beliefs regardless of what they are based on, Biblical or not (and there are plenty of non-religious individuals who feel the same way as you do). So Christianity has nothing to do with it. But I don't think calling you either name is productive. I disagree with the stance on anti-gay unions, but that doesn't mean it's right to call those who disagree with me names. Though I can call you wrong Do or do not, there is no try -Yoda Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
