rushmc 23 #1 December 21, 2004 http://jewishworldreview.com/david/limbaugh1.asp David Limbaugh A case of collective projection http://www.NewsAndOpinion.com | If anything, the assault on Christianity I chronicled in my book, "Persecution," is getting worse. Perhaps the perception that "moral issues" contributed to President Bush's re-election has heightened the secular Left's irrational fear of Christians. We've seen the acceleration of attacks on Christmas throughout the nation: the discriminatory banning of Christmas carols, Christmas cards and nativity scenes, the substitution of politically correct terms to replace "Christmas," and the systematic effort to paint Christmas as a symbol of exclusiveness and intolerance. We've read the editorial lambasting of the Christian Right with aggravated fervor: Maureen Dowd likened Christian conservatives to "a vengeful mob — revved up by rectitude — running around with torches and hatchets after heathens and pagans and infidels." Nicholas Kristof lampooned Christians who believe in the Rapture. Liberal icon Bill Moyers exhibited pangs of horror at anti-environmentalist Christian fundamentalists who "may believe that environmental destruction is not only to be disregarded but actually welcomed — even hastened — as a sign of the coming apocalypse." I get the sense in reading these types of diatribes that the discomfort among some toward Christians has ripened into full-blown paranoia — and that something drastic must be done about it. It's almost as if they're thinking the Christian mindset is so dangerous that it must be preemptively silenced, or that Christians want to establish a theocracy so their influence must be preemptively diminished. What else explains their freewheeling demonization of Christians and their concerted effort to suppress their religious liberties, all in the name of tolerance, inclusiveness and freedom? They obviously miss the irony that they are already engaged in the very behavior that they merely fear Christians might engage in if not stopped. But this is hardly surprising from people who are responsible for promulgating speech codes in the name of free expression. It is the magnitude of their collective projection that is astounding. Just consider Bill Moyers' displeasure that "Nearly half the U.S. Congress before the recent election — 231 legislators in total — more since the election — are backed by the religious right." G-d forbid! Or consider Kristof's subtle depiction of Christian conservatives as extremist and divisive. "The central question of President Bush's second term," argues Kristof, "is this: Will he shaft his Christian-right supporters, since he doesn't need them anymore, and try to secure his legacy with moderate policies that might unite the country?" In a similar vein, Charles C. Haynes of the First Amendment Center, wrote, "But in the wake of the most negative, religion-saturated campaign in living memory, the danger of a public square poisoned by hatred and division needs to be taken seriously." While Haynes is also mildly critical of those at the other "end of the spectrum" who "want to make our public square a religion-free zone," he unmistakably places the blame for divisiveness and poisoning the public square on Christians. And he certainly implies that Christians would silence all other voices: "But flush with victory, some conservative Christians may wish to torpedo any 'reaching out' to religious groups with a different vision for our nation. After all, evangelicals have had the ear of the president for four years — to the exclusion of most other religious voices." For all the Left's pride as sophisticated and nuanced thinkers, they exhibit great confusion over the notions of "reaching out," "exclusiveness" and "hatred," at least concerning the Christian mindset. Does "reaching out" mean that Christians should soften their position, for example, on abortion or gay marriage? If they don't, are they being unacceptably exclusive, intolerant or hateful? The Left surely doesn't condemn itself as exclusive, intolerant or hateful for wanting to radicalize the definition of marriage or for refusing to budge on the Christians' insistence that the unborn is entitled to protection equal to that of the already born. That Christians can't seek to influence the culture, politics or the public square without being of accused of trying to establish a theocracy is maddening. It is precisely because of this nation's Judeo-Christian roots that those of all faiths enjoy unparalleled religious liberty. Secular leftists constantly recite the statistic that some 80 percent of Americans are Christian. And they proudly concede America's unmatched record on religious liberty. Yet they are blind to the conclusion that those two facts taken together constitute powerful evidence against their misplaced fear that Christians want to suppress the religious liberty of others or shut them out of the political process. Contrary to the conventional wisdom of the misguided secular culture, Christians will continue to fight for the religious and political liberty of all people, not just Christians. I wish I were confident in making a similar statement about the Christophobic secular Left."America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #2 December 21, 2004 QuoteI get the sense in reading these types of diatribes that the discomfort among some toward Christians has ripened into full-blown paranoia — and that something drastic must be done about it. Yep, it's starting to look like a full-blown old-fashioned Salem witch hunt. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jib 0 #3 December 21, 2004 QuoteOr consider Kristof's subtle depiction of Christian conservatives as extremist and divisive. "The central question of President Bush's second term," argues Kristof, "is this: Will he shaft his Christian-right supporters, since he doesn't need them anymore, and try to secure his legacy with moderate policies that might unite the country?" Will Bush abandon his faith? Nope. Will Bush turn his back on his supporters? No, that would be Clinton's legacy regarding his far left supporters. -------------------------------------------------- the depth of his depravity sickens me. -- Jerry Falwell, People v. Larry Flynt Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #4 December 22, 2004 QuoteQuoteOr consider Kristof's subtle depiction of Christian conservatives as extremist and divisive. "The central question of President Bush's second term," argues Kristof, "is this: Will he shaft his Christian-right supporters, since he doesn't need them anymore, and try to secure his legacy with moderate policies that might unite the country?" Will Bush abandon his faith? Nope. Will Bush turn his back on his supporters? No, that would be Clinton's legacy regarding his far left supporters. Good point"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dorbie 0 #5 December 22, 2004 QuoteQuoteI get the sense in reading these types of diatribes that the discomfort among some toward Christians has ripened into full-blown paranoia — and that something drastic must be done about it. Yep, it's starting to look like a full-blown old-fashioned Salem witch hunt. There is a certain irony in that comparrison. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #6 December 22, 2004 Pro-Lifers can claim to be speaking for those who can't with their stance on abortion. But when it comes to gay marriage, they are attempting to impose their religious beliefs on others when it has absolutely no bearing on their own lives. Sorry, that's not tolerance or anything remotely close. And that's why the Right is feared right now. Couple that with the never ending attacks on anything remotely sexual - say the Olympic nudism on NBC - it's fair to ask when those people will get their own life. As for the attack on Christmas, I'm not a fan. It's pretty close to a secular holiday as it is. Certainly no harm in having a tree. We just don't want the 10 Commandments displayed front and center. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeryde13 0 #7 December 22, 2004 the whole religion thing is a sham. for bush and clinton and all the polliticians who talk about god and then do things that god or jesus is the biggest of all sins, blasphomy. the religions are wool over the eyes, jews christians , muslims or whatever. these are false prophits. the truth, witch is god and his son, sre the path less traveled by most men. when the romans , who were pagans, couldn't kill all the true believers of god because their faith was no match for the romans might. they rewrote the bible and decided the way to beat them was to join them and tear away their faith from with in. so religion is like coke, a brand name. all religions love to feel prosecuted and abused, it unifies them, but it's not about that .....seek the truth ..... peace._________________________________________ people see me as a challenge to their balance Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #8 December 22, 2004 QuotePro-Lifers can claim to be speaking for those who can't with their stance on abortion.Quote I do not agree that most say this but let us assume you are right. So, my solution would be take the goverment completly out of the formula. Leave it legal but no government funding. But when it comes to gay marriage, they are attempting to impose their religious beliefs on others when it has absolutely no bearing on their own lives.Quote Again, I do not agree but for the sake of argument. It is the left trying to change laws. The courts caused this battle. What the left can not legislate it mandates from activist courts! I could care less what people do in privacy. Sorry, that's not tolerance or anything remotely close.Quote You better take a look where the visious attacks are coming from. You also better look where the lack of "tolerance" really lives And that's why the Right is feared right now. Quote I belive the right is feared because they only want people to be held responcible for thier actions. My opinon. Couple that with the never ending attacks on anything remotely sexual - say the Olympic nudism on NBC - it's fair to ask when those people will get their own life.Quote same as above As for the attack on Christmas, I'm not a fan. It's pretty close to a secular holiday as it is. Certainly no harm in having a tree. We just don't want the 10 Commandments displayed front and center."America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rushmc 23 #9 December 22, 2004 Quotethe whole religion thing is a sham. for bush and clinton and all the polliticians who talk about god and then do things that god or jesus is the biggest of all sins, blasphomy. the religions are wool over the eyes, jews christians , muslims or whatever. these are false prophits. the truth, witch is god and his son, sre the path less traveled by most men. when the romans , who were pagans, couldn't kill all the true believers of god because their faith was no match for the romans might. they rewrote the bible and decided the way to beat them was to join them and tear away their faith from with in. so religion is like coke, a brand name. all religions love to feel prosecuted and abused, it unifies them, but it's not about that .....seek the truth ..... peace. your religion....... I do not look at any religion as literaly as you seem too. Good evil, right wrong are part of all of them. How it handles those is what counts don't you think?"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jcd11235 0 #10 December 22, 2004 Quote Good evil, right wrong are part of all of them. I don't remember Taoism making a good/evil distinction. The distinction used to be masculine/ feminine, even in early Christianity. This survives today in the Masons logo, as well as the star of David, from Judaism. The good and evil thing isn't universal.Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites RoadRash 0 #11 December 22, 2004 QuoteQuote Good evil, right wrong are part of all of them. I don't remember Taoism making a good/evil distinction. The distinction used to be masculine/ feminine, even in early Christianity. This survives today in the Masons logo, as well as the star of David, from Judaism. The good and evil thing isn't universal. Taoism is commonly thought of as a philosophy as opposed to a religion... ~R+R...~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ Fly the friendly skies...^_^...})ii({...^_~... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jcd11235 0 #12 December 22, 2004 QuoteTaoism is commonly thought of as a philosophy as opposed to a religion... Taoism is considered one of the three major chinese religions, along with Buddhism and Confucionism.Look at the Vinegar Tasters and you will see all three represented. The three are not exclusive to one another, and do not use idols as a subject of Worship, as Western religions do, but they are nonetheless religions. There is very little difference between the message of Christ and LaoTse. To consider one a religion but not the other is, well, let's say just it's less than tolerant.Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Kennedy 0 #13 December 22, 2004 http://www.crystalinks.com/taoism.html http://www.taopage.org/ QuoteTaoism is a way of life inspired by the cosmic rhythms. The philosophy of Taoism is represented by the adaptation to temporal conditions, while its practice is the manner of accomplishing this goal. The basic principles of Taoism come from the ancient writings like "Tao-te ching", "Chuang-tzu" and "Lieh-tzu" of Taoist masters: Lao-tzu, Chuang-tzu, Lieh-tzu, Yang-tzu. We also included the study of the "Book of Changes" ("I-ching") and approached the teachings on the emptiness taught by Ch'an master Hui Neng. "Certain Chinese philosophers writing in, perhaps, the -5th and -4th centuries, explained ideas and a way of life that have come to be known as Taoism - the way of man's cooperation with the course or trend of the natural world, whose principles we discover in the flow patterns of water, gas, an fire, which are subsequently memorialized or sculptured in those of stone and wood, and, later, in many forms of human art." --Alan Watts on Taoismwitty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites RoadRash 0 #14 December 22, 2004 QuoteQuoteTaoism is commonly thought of as a philosophy as opposed to a religion... LaoTse. Ok...I thought it was Lao Tzu...or Tsu... ~R+R...Are you calling me less than tolerant...? Please refrain from your hateful comments...thank you...~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ Fly the friendly skies...^_^...})ii({...^_~... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jcd11235 0 #15 December 22, 2004 Tse Tzu Tze Tsu it all depends on the translator. Kind of like peking and bejing being the same words.Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kelpdiver 2 #16 December 22, 2004 Quote Again, I do not agree but for the sake of argument. It is the left trying to change laws. The courts caused this battle. What the left can not legislate it mandates from activist courts! I could care less what people do in privacy. Quite the contrary. It is the Right that is pushing for a constitutional amendment to define marriage, it was the Mormons that funded the proposition in California that did the same. Christianity can't claim marriage as a religious institution. It is practiced by every society on the planet. Yet they're quite interested in making sure one society doesn't. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rushmc 23 #17 December 22, 2004 QuoteQuote Again, I do not agree but for the sake of argument. It is the left trying to change laws. The courts caused this battle. What the left can not legislate it mandates from activist courts! I could care less what people do in privacy. Quite the contrary. It is the Right that is pushing for a constitutional amendment to define marriage, it was the Mormons that funded the proposition in California that did the same. Quote .....and it started when? Christianity can't claim marriage as a religious institution. It is practiced by every society on the planet. Thanks for making my point"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kelpdiver 2 #18 December 22, 2004 You're making little sense here. Please review how to quote properly, too, please. The main topic you raised is why are activist Christians distrusted. It's not because of their beliefs, but because some have become very aggressive in imposing them on others, via legislation. We've already seen many separate threads on gay marriage - it's somewhat out of scope for this subject. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rushmc 23 #19 December 22, 2004 QuoteYou're making little sense here. Please review how to quote properly, too, please. The main topic you raised is why are activist Christians distrusted. It's not because of their beliefs, but because some have become very aggressive in imposing them on others, via legislation. We've already seen many separate threads on gay marriage - it's somewhat out of scope for this subject. We do not even have to be talking about activists here. You say that they are pushing thier views on others and I see it as the oposite. We have move left of where this country was not even 25 years ago. And we have been moved that way by judges not legislation. What call imposing has already been done! I see the christians trying to move things back to where they were. The Christians are only pushing back. Example, the seperation of church and state. There in nothing in the Constitution that takes us where we are today. That has been done by "activists" judges."America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jcd11235 0 #20 December 22, 2004 QuoteExample, the seperation of church and state. There in nothing in the Constitution that takes us where we are today. That has been done by "activists" judges. Except for that pesky first amendment, you're right. But, the fact of the matter is, our FF were not universally Christian, and recognized the fact that a just government should not promote Christianity or Islam, or Judaism, or Hindhuism, etc. Why do so many people feel that Christianity is the only "true" religion?Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kelpdiver 2 #21 December 22, 2004 [replyYou say that they are pushing thier views on others and I see it as the oposite. There's no way we can have a conversation if you continue to insist that proposing an amendment to require marriage to be between a man and a woman is not pushing a Christian viewpoint. "But it those fags' fault for no longer hiding in the closet!" Sheesh. That makes as much sense as an amendment to restore slavery because blacks have more of the civil rights then they did in 1950. It will be as successful as Marx and Trump talking about economics. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rushmc 23 #22 December 22, 2004 Quote[replyYou say that they are pushing thier views on others and I see it as the oposite. There's no way we can have a conversation if you continue to insist that proposing an amendment to require marriage to be between a man and a woman is not pushing a Christian viewpoint. "But it those fags' fault for no longer hiding in the closet!" Sheesh. That makes as much sense as an amendment to restore slavery because blacks have more of the civil rights then they did in 1950. It will be as successful as Marx and Trump talking about economics.You can pick bits a pieces if you wish. I have nothing against people that choose that lifestyle but, I do believe you live within the rules. I will not use your descriptions because I think they are offensive but they are the one's trying to redefine things. Marriage is what it is. That does not say that legal considerations should not be put in place. But NOT by a court!!!!!"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rushmc 23 #23 December 22, 2004 QuoteQuoteExample, the seperation of church and state. There in nothing in the Constitution that takes us where we are today. That has been done by "activists" judges. Except for that pesky first amendment, you're right. But, the fact of the matter is, our FF were not universally Christian, and recognized the fact that a just government should not promote Christianity or Islam, or Judaism, or Hindhuism, etc. Why do so many people feel that Christianity is the only "true" religion?I have not said that and neither did the article I posted but, this country was founded on freedom to express. The courts have attacked the 2nd amendment in my opinion, not upheld it."America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Kennedy 0 #24 December 23, 2004 QuoteQuoteExample, the seperation of church and state. There in nothing in the Constitution that takes us where we are today. That has been done by "activists" judges. Except for that pesky first amendment, you're right. But, the fact of the matter is, our FF were not universally Christian, and recognized the fact that a just government should not promote Christianity or Islam, or Judaism, or Hindhuism, etc. The first amendment recognizes the right to freedom of religion. Where does it say that all mention of religion must be struck from the public discourse? It doesn't say "freedom from," now does it? QuoteWhy do so many people feel that Christianity is the only "true" religion? Because they're Christians? Is there a (major) religion out there that doesn't promote the idea that it is the one true way? ps - I didn't see a response to legislating from the bench. Do you think that judges should be allowed to make law in the absence of legislation?witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites PhillyKev 0 #25 December 23, 2004 QuoteIs there a (amjor) religion out there that doesn't promote the idea that it is the one true way? Budhism Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 Next Page 1 of 2 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0 Go To Topic Listing
rushmc 23 #9 December 22, 2004 Quotethe whole religion thing is a sham. for bush and clinton and all the polliticians who talk about god and then do things that god or jesus is the biggest of all sins, blasphomy. the religions are wool over the eyes, jews christians , muslims or whatever. these are false prophits. the truth, witch is god and his son, sre the path less traveled by most men. when the romans , who were pagans, couldn't kill all the true believers of god because their faith was no match for the romans might. they rewrote the bible and decided the way to beat them was to join them and tear away their faith from with in. so religion is like coke, a brand name. all religions love to feel prosecuted and abused, it unifies them, but it's not about that .....seek the truth ..... peace. your religion....... I do not look at any religion as literaly as you seem too. Good evil, right wrong are part of all of them. How it handles those is what counts don't you think?"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #10 December 22, 2004 Quote Good evil, right wrong are part of all of them. I don't remember Taoism making a good/evil distinction. The distinction used to be masculine/ feminine, even in early Christianity. This survives today in the Masons logo, as well as the star of David, from Judaism. The good and evil thing isn't universal.Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RoadRash 0 #11 December 22, 2004 QuoteQuote Good evil, right wrong are part of all of them. I don't remember Taoism making a good/evil distinction. The distinction used to be masculine/ feminine, even in early Christianity. This survives today in the Masons logo, as well as the star of David, from Judaism. The good and evil thing isn't universal. Taoism is commonly thought of as a philosophy as opposed to a religion... ~R+R...~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ Fly the friendly skies...^_^...})ii({...^_~... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #12 December 22, 2004 QuoteTaoism is commonly thought of as a philosophy as opposed to a religion... Taoism is considered one of the three major chinese religions, along with Buddhism and Confucionism.Look at the Vinegar Tasters and you will see all three represented. The three are not exclusive to one another, and do not use idols as a subject of Worship, as Western religions do, but they are nonetheless religions. There is very little difference between the message of Christ and LaoTse. To consider one a religion but not the other is, well, let's say just it's less than tolerant.Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kennedy 0 #13 December 22, 2004 http://www.crystalinks.com/taoism.html http://www.taopage.org/ QuoteTaoism is a way of life inspired by the cosmic rhythms. The philosophy of Taoism is represented by the adaptation to temporal conditions, while its practice is the manner of accomplishing this goal. The basic principles of Taoism come from the ancient writings like "Tao-te ching", "Chuang-tzu" and "Lieh-tzu" of Taoist masters: Lao-tzu, Chuang-tzu, Lieh-tzu, Yang-tzu. We also included the study of the "Book of Changes" ("I-ching") and approached the teachings on the emptiness taught by Ch'an master Hui Neng. "Certain Chinese philosophers writing in, perhaps, the -5th and -4th centuries, explained ideas and a way of life that have come to be known as Taoism - the way of man's cooperation with the course or trend of the natural world, whose principles we discover in the flow patterns of water, gas, an fire, which are subsequently memorialized or sculptured in those of stone and wood, and, later, in many forms of human art." --Alan Watts on Taoismwitty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RoadRash 0 #14 December 22, 2004 QuoteQuoteTaoism is commonly thought of as a philosophy as opposed to a religion... LaoTse. Ok...I thought it was Lao Tzu...or Tsu... ~R+R...Are you calling me less than tolerant...? Please refrain from your hateful comments...thank you...~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ Fly the friendly skies...^_^...})ii({...^_~... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #15 December 22, 2004 Tse Tzu Tze Tsu it all depends on the translator. Kind of like peking and bejing being the same words.Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #16 December 22, 2004 Quote Again, I do not agree but for the sake of argument. It is the left trying to change laws. The courts caused this battle. What the left can not legislate it mandates from activist courts! I could care less what people do in privacy. Quite the contrary. It is the Right that is pushing for a constitutional amendment to define marriage, it was the Mormons that funded the proposition in California that did the same. Christianity can't claim marriage as a religious institution. It is practiced by every society on the planet. Yet they're quite interested in making sure one society doesn't. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #17 December 22, 2004 QuoteQuote Again, I do not agree but for the sake of argument. It is the left trying to change laws. The courts caused this battle. What the left can not legislate it mandates from activist courts! I could care less what people do in privacy. Quite the contrary. It is the Right that is pushing for a constitutional amendment to define marriage, it was the Mormons that funded the proposition in California that did the same. Quote .....and it started when? Christianity can't claim marriage as a religious institution. It is practiced by every society on the planet. Thanks for making my point"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kelpdiver 2 #18 December 22, 2004 You're making little sense here. Please review how to quote properly, too, please. The main topic you raised is why are activist Christians distrusted. It's not because of their beliefs, but because some have become very aggressive in imposing them on others, via legislation. We've already seen many separate threads on gay marriage - it's somewhat out of scope for this subject. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rushmc 23 #19 December 22, 2004 QuoteYou're making little sense here. Please review how to quote properly, too, please. The main topic you raised is why are activist Christians distrusted. It's not because of their beliefs, but because some have become very aggressive in imposing them on others, via legislation. We've already seen many separate threads on gay marriage - it's somewhat out of scope for this subject. We do not even have to be talking about activists here. You say that they are pushing thier views on others and I see it as the oposite. We have move left of where this country was not even 25 years ago. And we have been moved that way by judges not legislation. What call imposing has already been done! I see the christians trying to move things back to where they were. The Christians are only pushing back. Example, the seperation of church and state. There in nothing in the Constitution that takes us where we are today. That has been done by "activists" judges."America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jcd11235 0 #20 December 22, 2004 QuoteExample, the seperation of church and state. There in nothing in the Constitution that takes us where we are today. That has been done by "activists" judges. Except for that pesky first amendment, you're right. But, the fact of the matter is, our FF were not universally Christian, and recognized the fact that a just government should not promote Christianity or Islam, or Judaism, or Hindhuism, etc. Why do so many people feel that Christianity is the only "true" religion?Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kelpdiver 2 #21 December 22, 2004 [replyYou say that they are pushing thier views on others and I see it as the oposite. There's no way we can have a conversation if you continue to insist that proposing an amendment to require marriage to be between a man and a woman is not pushing a Christian viewpoint. "But it those fags' fault for no longer hiding in the closet!" Sheesh. That makes as much sense as an amendment to restore slavery because blacks have more of the civil rights then they did in 1950. It will be as successful as Marx and Trump talking about economics. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #18 December 22, 2004 You're making little sense here. Please review how to quote properly, too, please. The main topic you raised is why are activist Christians distrusted. It's not because of their beliefs, but because some have become very aggressive in imposing them on others, via legislation. We've already seen many separate threads on gay marriage - it's somewhat out of scope for this subject. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #19 December 22, 2004 QuoteYou're making little sense here. Please review how to quote properly, too, please. The main topic you raised is why are activist Christians distrusted. It's not because of their beliefs, but because some have become very aggressive in imposing them on others, via legislation. We've already seen many separate threads on gay marriage - it's somewhat out of scope for this subject. We do not even have to be talking about activists here. You say that they are pushing thier views on others and I see it as the oposite. We have move left of where this country was not even 25 years ago. And we have been moved that way by judges not legislation. What call imposing has already been done! I see the christians trying to move things back to where they were. The Christians are only pushing back. Example, the seperation of church and state. There in nothing in the Constitution that takes us where we are today. That has been done by "activists" judges."America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #20 December 22, 2004 QuoteExample, the seperation of church and state. There in nothing in the Constitution that takes us where we are today. That has been done by "activists" judges. Except for that pesky first amendment, you're right. But, the fact of the matter is, our FF were not universally Christian, and recognized the fact that a just government should not promote Christianity or Islam, or Judaism, or Hindhuism, etc. Why do so many people feel that Christianity is the only "true" religion?Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #21 December 22, 2004 [replyYou say that they are pushing thier views on others and I see it as the oposite. There's no way we can have a conversation if you continue to insist that proposing an amendment to require marriage to be between a man and a woman is not pushing a Christian viewpoint. "But it those fags' fault for no longer hiding in the closet!" Sheesh. That makes as much sense as an amendment to restore slavery because blacks have more of the civil rights then they did in 1950. It will be as successful as Marx and Trump talking about economics. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #22 December 22, 2004 Quote[replyYou say that they are pushing thier views on others and I see it as the oposite. There's no way we can have a conversation if you continue to insist that proposing an amendment to require marriage to be between a man and a woman is not pushing a Christian viewpoint. "But it those fags' fault for no longer hiding in the closet!" Sheesh. That makes as much sense as an amendment to restore slavery because blacks have more of the civil rights then they did in 1950. It will be as successful as Marx and Trump talking about economics.You can pick bits a pieces if you wish. I have nothing against people that choose that lifestyle but, I do believe you live within the rules. I will not use your descriptions because I think they are offensive but they are the one's trying to redefine things. Marriage is what it is. That does not say that legal considerations should not be put in place. But NOT by a court!!!!!"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #23 December 22, 2004 QuoteQuoteExample, the seperation of church and state. There in nothing in the Constitution that takes us where we are today. That has been done by "activists" judges. Except for that pesky first amendment, you're right. But, the fact of the matter is, our FF were not universally Christian, and recognized the fact that a just government should not promote Christianity or Islam, or Judaism, or Hindhuism, etc. Why do so many people feel that Christianity is the only "true" religion?I have not said that and neither did the article I posted but, this country was founded on freedom to express. The courts have attacked the 2nd amendment in my opinion, not upheld it."America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kennedy 0 #24 December 23, 2004 QuoteQuoteExample, the seperation of church and state. There in nothing in the Constitution that takes us where we are today. That has been done by "activists" judges. Except for that pesky first amendment, you're right. But, the fact of the matter is, our FF were not universally Christian, and recognized the fact that a just government should not promote Christianity or Islam, or Judaism, or Hindhuism, etc. The first amendment recognizes the right to freedom of religion. Where does it say that all mention of religion must be struck from the public discourse? It doesn't say "freedom from," now does it? QuoteWhy do so many people feel that Christianity is the only "true" religion? Because they're Christians? Is there a (major) religion out there that doesn't promote the idea that it is the one true way? ps - I didn't see a response to legislating from the bench. Do you think that judges should be allowed to make law in the absence of legislation?witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #25 December 23, 2004 QuoteIs there a (amjor) religion out there that doesn't promote the idea that it is the one true way? Budhism Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
