Rubber stamping death....

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Ever see the Simpsons when Homer is trying to get the boot off his car in NYC? He listens to a voice recording that has a different voice plugging in the details over a pre-recorded template? Reminds me of how Rumsfeld apparently views the troops that his poor decision making has sent to their graves. No more than cord wood.

Lawmakers Chide Rumsfeld for Auto-Signed Sympathy Letters

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Disappointing... Not surprising...

Rumsfeld's usefulness has long since past... In the beginning I thought he was a breath of fresh air in the DoD... since then it seems he has not brushed his teeth, and the breath seems much more stale now.

But I have been anti-Rummy for quite a while...

J

All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. - Edmund Burke

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Reminds me of how Rumsfeld apparently views the troops that his poor decision making has sent to their graves.

Oh geeze. You guys complain that he does not spend enough time on the important things, then you slam him for not spending his days signing letters.

Pick one, you either want him busy, or you want him doing busy work.

Does it suck? YES. Is it 100% understandable? YES.

Thats the problem with politics....You slam him no matter what he does.

"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

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Oh geeze. You guys complain that he does not spend enough time on the important things, then you slam him for not spending his days signing letters.

Pick one, you either want him busy, or you want him doing busy work.

Ready, I'm going to say something good about GWB. He had the decency to personally sign HIS letters. Is Rummy more busy than GWB? Come on Ron...how long would it take you to sign a few letters a day.

Does it suck? YES. Is it understandable? NO.

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Thats the problem with politics....You slam him no matter what he does.

Wrong...I slam him because what he does is wrong. I slam him because he has always portrayed an image of caring only about his egotistical goals of domination over the middle east. I slam him because he's an ass.

The problem with politics is that you are blind to his incompetence and arrogance.

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Oh geeze. You guys complain that he does not spend enough time on the important things, then you slam him for not spending his days signing letters.

less than fifteen hundred dead soldiers over about twenty months. I can see how you might consider that busy work, but I can't see how signing letters that appear to bear his signature would take much time.

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The problem with politics is that you are blind to his incompetence and arrogance.

Thats close to a personal attack. And its also just your opinion.

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I slam him because he has always portrayed an image of caring only about his egotistical goals of domination over the middle east

And yet you supported Kerry's egotistical goals?

Funny.

"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

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but I can't see how signing letters that appear to bear his signature would take much time.

And I got a letter from Clinton...I bet he signed that himself.

I also have letters from several CEO's. I bet they signed them all.

Oh, don't forget my autographed box of cornflakes.

You guys are getting pissed about a signature cause you went looking for something to get pissed about.

If this was Kerry, or someone other than one of the "Evil" men, you would blow it off.

"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

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You guys complain that he does not spend enough time on the important things

Ron, these are important things... Some of these Soldiers or Marines died becuase of some of his policy decisions. A letter won't bring back a loved one, but a machine signed letter does little to show the family that the DoD even shares in the lose... The least he could do is sign the letters himself, and if he needs to stay at work late one night to do it, I don't give a shit.

J

All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. - Edmund Burke

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Ron, these are important things...

I dont agree. They are nice, but not important. Important is stopping another one from dying.

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A letter won't bring back a loved one

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A letter won't bring back a loved one

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A letter won't bring back a loved one

And a signature will not either.

"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

[PhillyKev 0]

Whatever. If you don't see anything wrong with this, then I assume you share the same attitude as him that it's not important.

Edit...ahhh, I see above that you came out and said so. Very telling.

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Whatever. If you don't see anything wrong with this, then I assume you share the same attitude as him that it's not important.

Edit...ahhh, I see above that you came out and said so. Very telling.

Yes, that you would rather cry about the dead than protect the living.

"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

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Important is stopping another one from dying.

Well, I don't see him doing that either, so the least he could do is sign a letter.

A real signature shows a personal involvement, and perhaps even some caring... do you rubber stamp your Christmas cards?

If it was important enough to generate the letters, it is important enough to sign them... other wise it is just another form letter, and a slap in the face to those families.

J

All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. - Edmund Burke

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Reminds me of how Rumsfeld apparently views the troops that his poor decision making has sent to their graves.

Your description above is rather dramatic and I'm sure not very accurate of Rumsfeld's feelings on the matter. I am, however, disappointed that someone would do this or allow it to be done. Whether intentional or not, I think it shows disrespect.

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A real signature shows a personal involvement, and perhaps even some caring... do you rubber stamp your Christmas cards?

I don't send Christmas Cards. Besides me signing something is nothing personal. I sign shit all day and none of it is "special"

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If it was important enough to generate the letters, it is important enough to sign them... other wise it is just another form letter, and a slap in the face to those families.

I personally think that people are just looking for things to bitch about.

I have on my wall a certificate from the Commander of the 82d Airborne. I bet its not his signature on it.

I had a letter from Clinton...Again, I bet its not his signature.

I also don't care.

Everytime a flag is flown, everytime someone salutes the colors, every note of the National Anthem sounds for the fallen.

Some jackass in Washington not signing a letter is nothing.

You wanna piss me off? Try not standing for the National Anthem, or removing your head gear when it plays.

Thats an insult to all that have served.

Like I said some jackass in DC not putting pen to paper is nothing.

"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

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I have on my wall a certificate from the Commander of the 82d Airborne. I bet its not his signature on it.

A letter of appreciation from your Commander for the time you served is immeasurably less important than a death notification sent to the family of a fallen soldier. I think it should not only be personally signed but also handwritten and hand delivered by someone.

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A letter of appreciation from your Commander for the time you served is immeasurably less important than a death notification sent to the family of a fallen soldier. I think it should not only be personally signed but also handwritten and hand delivered by someone.

In your opinion.

I don't think you should burn a flag, but people do.
I think you should stand for the Pledge, and remove your hat for the National Anthem.

But people don't do that either....I could care less that some jackass in DC acts like a jackass on an issue that makes him look like a jackass, but that does not riskk lives.

Call it a different set of priorities.

"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

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I have on my wall a certificate from the Commander of the 82d Airborne. I bet its not his signature on it.

I had a letter from Clinton...Again, I bet its not his signature.

Neither of those is a letter of condolence to the family of a fallen service member.

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Everytime a flag is flown, everytime someone salutes the colors, every note of the National Anthem sounds for the fallen.

None of those are a personal expressions of gratitude from greatful nation... we don't just ball up the flag of a cofin and toss it to a person in the crowd... it is properly folded, and delivered to the next of kin in a very specific way, with very specific words. The SECDEF doesn't have to write letters, but if he is going to, he should sign them, especially for the highest sacrifice.

I have awards on my wall, signed by my commanders, I have another that sits in an envelop in a drawer, because it was signed by the S1... it doesn't mean anything to me.

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You wanna piss me off? Try not standing for the National Anthem, or removing your head gear when it plays.

Thats an insult to all that have served.

I agree. It is insulting to ALL who have served... the letters are meant to be personal, and to commuicate something to individual families, not a collective group.

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Like I said some jackass in DC not putting pen to paper is nothing.

Then don't send a letter at all. A letter of condolence in the form of a form letter is insulting the family.

J

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Yes, that you would rather cry about the dead than protect the living.

That is TOO funny with hypocrisy. Why are our soldiers over there dying, Ron. I think it is the dissenters who are REALLY trying to save lives.

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I don't think you should burn a flag, but people do. I think you should stand for the Pledge, and remove your hat for the National Anthem.

I agree with all of this. But if someone died under my command, their family would get more than a rubber stamped letter.

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The problem with politics is that you are blind to his incompetence and arrogance.

Thats close to a personal attack. And its also just your opinion.

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I slam him because he has always portrayed an image of caring only about his egotistical goals of domination over the middle east

And yet you supported Kerry's egotistical goals?

Funny.

That's kind of a concession deferring to what Kerry MIGHT have done or not done..... tough to defend Rummy; I feel your pain.

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You wanna piss me off? Try not standing for the National Anthem, or removing your head gear when it plays.

Thats an insult to all that have served.

I don't stand, and I DID serve. What my government is doing right now is disrespectful to those of us who wore a uniform in defense of freedom. Sitting through the national anthem is one way of protesting the actions of the government.

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but I can't see how signing letters that appear to bear his signature would take much time.

And I got a letter from Clinton...I bet he signed that himself.

And you produced the dress anyway?

I also have letters from several CEO's. I bet they signed them all.

Oh, don't forget my autographed box of cornflakes.

Let's see, death notices to parents from children, letters from CEO's announcing company business..... same thing.

You guys are getting pissed about a signature cause you went looking for something to get pissed about.

No, there are plenty of things to get pissed about - no shortage here!

If this was Kerry, or someone other than one of the "Evil" men, you would blow it off.

Evil, eww geez, don't the Repubs ever quit? Evil Emipre = social country that has little military might. Evil men = peace-loving presidents.

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I agree with all of this. But if someone died under my command, their family would get more than a rubber stamped letter.

And that is the difference between you and some jackass in DC.

I just choose not to get pissed when some politican acts like a jackass.

"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

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I agree with you, Ron.

In the greater scheme of things it is more important that he resign for his incompetence than for not signing letters. His incompetence is still killing people, whereas rubber stamping letters and making arrogant comments to soldiers asking about their equipment just shows insensitivity and callousness.

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Whatever. If you don't see anything wrong with this, then I assume you share the same attitude as him that it's not important.

Edit...ahhh, I see above that you came out and said so. Very telling.

Yes, that you would rather cry about the dead than protect the living.

Good point, if we would just leave the dead carcasses there, we could avoid the shippment back to the US, freeing up resources to ship weapons and goods. I'm sure Rummy will get around to that.