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QuoteSo what, he didn't COMPLY. If he did then nothing would have happened.
Please take the time to be informed, especially before you vote. He was complying, albeit a little more slowly than Shrub's impatience would stand for.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UN_Security_Council_Resolution_1441
http://www.thenation.com/doc.mhtml%3Fi=20021028&s=zunes
http://www.commondreams.org/views02/1114-03.htm
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Ron 10
QuotePlease take the time to be informed, especially before you vote. He was complying, albeit a little more slowly than Shrub's impatience would stand for.
12 years.
He didn't comply for 12 years.
And several others agreed.
QuoteW"e know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country" --Gore, September 23,2003
"He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983."--Sandy Berger, Feb 18, 1998.
"Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime...now he is miscalculating America's response to his continued decit and his consistant grasp for weapons of mass destruction...So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real" --John F. Kerry, Jan 23, 2003.
In 1995 the UN Special Commision (UNSCOM) led by Duelfer found otherwise:
QuoteIn early August, Saddam's son-in-law Hussein Kamel had defected to Jordan, and had then spoken publicly about Iraq's offensive biological, chemical, and nuclear capabilities. (Kamel later returned to Iraq and was killed almost immediately, on his father-in-law's orders.) The regime's credibility was badly damaged by Kamel's revelations, and during these meetings the Iraqi representatives decided to tell Duelfer and his team more than they had ever revealed before. "This was the first time Iraq actually agreed to discuss the Presidential origins of these programs," Duelfer recalled. Among the most startling admissions made by the Iraqi scientists was that they had weaponized the biological agent aflatoxin.
OK so that was 4 years after the ban.
This does not seem like complying to me:
QuoteDuelfer told me, "We kept pressing the Iraqis to discuss the concept of use for aflatoxin. We learned that the origin of the biological-weapons program is in the security services, not in the military—meaning that it really came out of the assassinations program." The Iraqis, Duelfer said, admitted something else: they had loaded aflatoxin into two Scud-ready warheads, and also mixed aflatoxin with tear gas. They wouldn't say why
Also Saddam maneuvered UNSCOM out of his country in 1998, weapons inspectors had found a sizable portion of his arsenal but were vexed by what they couldn't find. It was his job to show what he did...But he booted the inspectors out.
Kicking them out is not compling either.
He had 12 years to comply...And that mean telling us where and what he did with them.
He insted made new agents.
May I sugest you stop trying to teach me and study some first?
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TheAnvil 0
Muslims not free to practice their faith in America? Ha! Untenable. Outlandish. Utterly false.
Kerry NOT a liberal? HE IS LEFT OF TED KENNEDY BY HIS OWN VOTING RECORD!!!!!
NO LIBERAL MEDIA??? I hope you mean that as a joke. I really do.
For PK: I only read Drudge articles posted here; don't care to peruse his website as a general rule of thumb. And I read Newsmax only occasionally. Fox and left-wing CNN are my two primary news sources.
Kerry NOT a liberal? HE IS LEFT OF TED KENNEDY BY HIS OWN VOTING RECORD!!!!!
NO LIBERAL MEDIA??? I hope you mean that as a joke. I really do.
For PK: I only read Drudge articles posted here; don't care to peruse his website as a general rule of thumb. And I read Newsmax only occasionally. Fox and left-wing CNN are my two primary news sources.
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QuoteKicking them out is not compling either.
No, but readmitting them is.
To say nothing of the hypocrisy of allowing Israel to violate UN resolutions more extensively than any other country.
We had no international or legal authoruty to invade Iraq., and any claims that we did are unfounded spin on the part of Shrub.
Do you have any idea what kind of shape the world would be in if evry leader with an army at his/her disposal started recklessly invading countries they didn't like?
QuoteMay I sugest you stop trying to teach me and study some first?
ROFLMFAO
You accuse me of needing to study up on things? There's no hypocrisy there *sarcasm*
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QuoteFox and left-wing CNN are my two primary news sources.
That is a very limited variety of sources. Fox is not even credible. And if you think that CNN is left-wing, that explains why you think Kerry was liberal. I bet you also believe the world is a safer place, now that Shrub has declared war on terror.
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TheAnvil 0
Not a good variety, eh? I think not. If you DON'T think CNN leans left then you haven't been watching it very closely.
Kerry not a liberal - you're still on that kick. Think that if it makes you feel better. Ignore any facts you like if it makes you feel better. Facts are such stubborn things...try as one might, ignoring them does not change them.
Kerry not a liberal - you're still on that kick. Think that if it makes you feel better. Ignore any facts you like if it makes you feel better. Facts are such stubborn things...try as one might, ignoring them does not change them.
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RoadRash 0
QuoteQuoteYou seem to be hearing what you want to hear from the news then taking selected tidbits from it to make what you hear conform to what you believe.
Funny thing about something as subjective as that - you could say the same thing about you.
Ummm....Bo...You could say that about everybody...But, truly looking at an issue or debate from both sides is virtually unheard of these days...for some reason...there are only two sides to every story and "somebody" seems to always choose only one...
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jcd11235 0
QuoteIgnore any facts you like if it makes you feel better. Facts are such stubborn things...try as one might, ignoring them does not change them.
I cannot ignore what you don't present. Claiming supporting evidence exists does not make it so. Show me.
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Ron 10
QuoteNo, but readmitting them is.
After threat of war.
Even after they were back they were playing cat and mouse games with the inspectors...All the time NEVER complying by saying what he did with any of it.
QuoteTo say nothing of the hypocrisy of allowing Israel to violate UN resolutions more extensively than any other country.
Thats an issue with the UN, not the US.
QuoteWe had no international or legal authoruty to invade Iraq., and any claims that we did are unfounded spin on the part of Shrub.
You have not read much. The UN voted on it. Any spin otherwise is liberal slant.
You going to mention what Secretary-General Kofi Annan says? Well he might need to look at his organization a little better since he was helping to fund Saddam.
QuoteTim Russert asked why only a portion of the documentation requested of the U.N. by the U.S. General Accounting Office had been turned over, Mr. Annan protested: "We are open. We are transparent."
That sounded lame enough, coming just after Mr. Russert on national TV had flourished in front of Mr. Annan a letter sent by Mr. Annan's own Secretariat on April 14, advising one of the pivotal Oil for Food contractors, Saybolt International--which oversaw Saddam's oil exports--to keep quiet
Now investigators for the House International Relations Committee have dug up a second hush letter, this one dated April 2, sent by the U.N. to yet another crucial Oil for Food contractor: Cotecna Inspections. This is the company that for the last five years of the seven-year program held the U.N. contract for the sensitive job of authenticating all goods being shipped into Iraq under Oil for Food--and was recommended last October by Oil for Food's executive director, Benon Sevan, for the work it is still doing in Iraq for the Coalition Provisional Authority. (Cotecna is also the company that for the better part of three years before winning its slot in the Oil for Food program, in December, 1998, employed Mr. Annan's son, Kojo Annan, first on staff and then as a consultant, a potential conflict of interest that the U.N. did not declare.)
...
The letter to Cotecna was a pointed reminder of terms of the U.N. contracts with Cotecna, detailing that all documentation connected with Oil for Food "shall be the property of the United Nations, shall be treated as confidential and shall be delivered only to the United Nations authorized officials on completion of work under this contract."
In the letter to Saybolt, dated 12 days later, the message had become tougher and yet more detailed, telling the company that any requests for information not already public should be relayed to the U.N., including "the reason why it is being sought." The letter to Saybolt also made specific mention that if U.N. internal audit reports are asked for, "we would not agree to their release." These would be the same internal audits that the U.N. Secretariat--which administered the Oil for Food program--did not share with the Security Council and has refused to provide to Congress.
In other words, in the interval between March 19, when Mr. Annan finally conceded in the face of overwhelming evidence that the program might after all need investigating by independent experts, and April 21, when former Federal Reserve chairman Paul Volcker was appointed to head to the investigation, Mr. Annan's office explicitly reminded these two crucial contractors, which worked for the Secretariat's Oil for Food program checking the imports and exports involved in more than $100 billion worth of Saddam's oil sales and relief imports, to keep quiet.
Mr. Paul Volcker can be reached at
Phone: + 1 877 442 3500
Fax: + 1 212 963 0956
Email: info@iic-offp.org
www.iic-offp.org
If you have proof of innocence.
Until then you are going to have a hard time defending him.
QuoteDo you have any idea what kind of shape the world would be in if evry leader with an army at his/her disposal started recklessly invading countries they didn't like?
Congress also approved it.
QuoteROFLMFAO
The only thing funny is your lack of understanding.
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TheAnvil 0
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Ron 10
QuoteI cannot ignore what you don't present. Claiming supporting evidence exists does not make it so. Show me.
You ignored all the evidence about Dulfer and all the quotes from Gore, Kerry and Burger about Saddam and the WMD's.
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jcd11235 0
QuoteBut, truly looking at an issue or debate from both sides is virtually unheard of these days...for some reason...there are only two sides to every story and "somebody" seems to always choose only one...
This thread was started to examine both sides of the issue. I am more than happy to examine any facts that might be presented by either side, but the same dismissive rhetoric is all I am hearing from the right.
"It can't be true, because this is America. Nothing like that could happen here."
If only that were true.
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TheAnvil 0
If I have to show you that Kerry is a liberal then you have not been watching the news at all for the past year.
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...in a manner completely inconsistant with the first amendment.
Except that all the EVIDENCE idicates that this may very well be a form a fascism. Like I said, read up on fascism before you tell us what its not. In fairness, I guess it is possible that you shot at some fascists once, so that makes you an expert.
Accident by whose standards? There is no real difference.
So, the Israelis keep "accidenatally " killing the Palestinians, over and over and over and over....
Have a nice day then.
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