Embryonic Stem Cells May Not Be Needed Anymore

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Bull shit....that's scare tactics used by the religious right claiming that allowing stem cell research will lead to more abortions. No one is farming babies for stem cells. If you believe that, you've been duped.

You are taking what I typed out of context.

I never said that I thought that babies were being farmed.

I just think that it is wrong that there is not more of an effort to try to avoid having to undergo abortion treatments.

Then I was unclear of your position as you displayed the image of that shirt decal.

There are those out there that are so blindly supportive of abortion that that shirt DOES describe their views. I was simply hoiping that you weren't one of them.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
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[PhillyKev 0]

I just see them as two completely separate issues. Stem cell research has and would have zero impact on someone considering an abortion.

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There are those out there that are so blindly supportive of abortion that that shirt DOES describe their views.

You HAVE been duped.

I have never met a single person who promotes abortion as a positive thing. Its not a positive thing;it's tragic. But there are many conceivable situations that it is the best option for the mother, and the government has absolutely zero justification getting involved to perevent it.

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There are those out there that are so blindly supportive of abortion that that shirt DOES describe their views.

You HAVE been duped.

I have never met a single person who promotes abortion as a positive thing. Its not a positive thing;it's tragic. But there are many conceivable situations that it is the best option for the mother, and the government has absolutely zero justification getting involved to perevent it.

I'm not attacking or saying this in a bad way - but that view is very nieve.

To believe that there are no extremists in the world is nieve.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
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To believe that there are no extremists in the world is nieve.

One only needs to look to the Oval Office to see an extremist. Both sides have them..

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There is a huge effort to prevent abortions. Education and contraceptives, which, ironically, are things that some christians campaign against. At planned parenthood, there's usually walls of brochures and information regarding abortion alternatives and contraceptives.

When my friend went in to planned parenthood for her exam (I went with her because she was nervous), she was really nervous and asked the nurse "do abortions happen here?" and the nurse said (summarized) "nope. we'll refer someone to another clinic if that's what they want, but our goal here is to work with people like you, BEFORE abortion is ever a question. There's a difference between being pro-choice and being pro-abortion. We don't promote abortion here. Our goal here is to make sure that through education and family planning, that you'll never even need to think about an abortion. If you ever come back here asking about an abortion, it means that I didn't do my job today."

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I have never met a single person who promotes abortion as a positive thing.

I have. Very disturbing.

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There is a huge effort to prevent abortions. Education and contraceptives, which, ironically, are things that some christians campaign against. At planned parenthood, there's usually walls of brochures and information regarding abortion alternatives and contraceptives.

When my friend went in to planned parenthood for her exam (I went with her because she was nervous), she was really nervous and asked the nurse "do abortions happen here?" and the nurse said (summarized) "nope. we'll refer someone to another clinic if that's what they want, but our goal here is to work with people like you, BEFORE abortion is ever a question. There's a difference between being pro-choice and being pro-abortion. We don't promote abortion here. Our goal here is to make sure that through education and family planning, that you'll never even need to think about an abortion. If you ever come back here asking about an abortion, it means that I didn't do my job today."

Planned parenthood is one of the largest abortion providers in the US http://www.family.org/cforum/fnif/news/a0034986.cfm

For my part, I know nothing with any certainty,
But the sight of the stars makes me dream.
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Planned parenthood is one of the largest abortion providers in the US

Look up the difference between provider and promoter in the dictionary. They provide it so that people don't die in back alleys. But they don't promote it.

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Planned parenthood is one of the largest abortion providers in the US

Look up the difference between provider and promoter in the dictionary. They provide it so that people don't die in back alleys. But they don't promote it.

I guess their "Choice On Earth" Christmas cards aren't promting anything

For my part, I know nothing with any certainty,
But the sight of the stars makes me dream.
-Vincent Van Gogh

[PhillyKev 0]

Promoting choice, is not promoting abortion.

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Planned Parenthood's goal is to get everyone educated about sex and contraceptives, so abortion is never a factor. They don't like abortion, but feel that providing a safe, sterile place for abortions is necessary, because when people are desperate, they will turn to unsafe, non-sterile methods if they feel they have no other alternative. And not all planned parenthood clinics provide abortions. In fact, most don't. The clinics that don't will, however, provide a referral to a doctor in the area to perform an abortion if it is really what the patient wants. I've been into the clinics with friends having pregnancy tests, and their options were clearly laid out to them, every option from keeping the baby to adoption to abortion was explained with a neutral attitude and no attempt whatsoever to sway the patient's decision. Planned parenthood is also one of the largest providers of pre-natal care to low income women.

Pro-choice does not mean pro-abortion. Pro-choice means that you are saying "I trust you to know what is right for you and your body." For example, I am pro-choice. I support the right of everyone to make their own choices with what happens inside their bodies. However, if I had an unplanned pregnancy, I would not have an abortion myself. I've made my own choice, for my own reasons. I won't advocate taking away the rights of someone else to make that same choice, no matter what they might decide.