rushmc 23 #1 December 18, 2004 FLASH: TIME MAG EDITORS FOCUS ON BUSH FOR 'PERSON OF THE YEAR'... ANNOUNCEMENT SET FOR SUNDAY MORNING... BUSH [AND ROVE?] ARE ALL 'BUT A LOCK,' TOP MAGAZINE SOURCE TELLS DRUDGE... DEVELOPING..."America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #2 December 18, 2004 You should probably understand that being named "Person of the Year" doesn't necessarily mean you're the most liked person of the year. http://www.time.com/time/personoftheyear/archive/covers/1938.html http://www.time.com/time/personoftheyear/archive/covers/1939.html http://www.time.com/time/personoftheyear/archive/covers/1971.html http://www.time.com/time/personoftheyear/archive/covers/1974.html http://www.time.com/time/personoftheyear/archive/covers/1979.html http://www.time.com/time/personoftheyear/archive/covers/1992.html Besides which . . . he was already on the 2001 cover. It would NOT be unprecidented for a person to appear twice, but certainly boring as hell.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,148 #3 December 18, 2004 QuoteYou should probably understand that being named "Person of the Year" doesn't necessarily mean you're the most liked person of the year. http://www.time.com/time/personoftheyear/archive/covers/1938.html http://www.time.com/time/personoftheyear/archive/covers/1939.html http://www.time.com/time/personoftheyear/archive/covers/1971.html http://www.time.com/time/personoftheyear/archive/covers/1974.html http://www.time.com/time/personoftheyear/archive/covers/1979.html http://www.time.com/time/personoftheyear/archive/covers/1992.html Besides which . . . he was already on the 2001 cover. It would NOT be unprecidented for a person to appear twice, but certainly boring as hell. Stalin and Deng Xiaoping appeared twice. Bush would be in fine company.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EBSB52 0 #4 December 18, 2004 And Hilter was left saying, "Always a bride's maid, never a bride." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #5 December 18, 2004 Oh the pain of it all "America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #6 December 19, 2004 QuoteStalin and Deng Xiaoping appeared twice. Bush would be in fine company. Comments like that are what destroy your credibility here. The magazine gives the title to the person who had the greatest impact, good or bad, over the year. Obviously, Stalin was in the "bad" category, and Bush is in the "good" category. Oh, and you left out some of the other Presidents who have received the award multiple times: Harry Truman, Dwight Eisenhower (first as a general), Lyndon Johnson, Richard Nixon, Ronald Reagan, Bill Clinton, and Franklin Roosevelt. You should be ashamed of yourself for suggesting that Bush is equal to Stalin - a man who murdered 20 million of his own people. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChasingBlueSky 0 #7 December 19, 2004 QuoteQuoteStalin and Deng Xiaoping appeared twice. Bush would be in fine company. Comments like that are what destroy your credibility here. Why?_________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #8 December 19, 2004 QuoteComments like that are what destroy your credibility here. Better to follow blindly, right?Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
christelsabine 1 #9 December 19, 2004 QuoteQuoteStalin and Deng Xiaoping appeared twice. Bush would be in fine company. Comments like that are what destroy your credibility here. You are only talking for yourself, right? dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #10 December 20, 2004 QuoteQuoteComments like that are what destroy your credibility here. Better to follow blindly, right? If you think that Bush is equal to Stalin, then you need to re-examine just which of the two of us is truly "blind". Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #11 December 20, 2004 QuoteIf you think that Bush is equal to Stalin, then you need to re-examine just which of the two of us is truly "blind". Why, because he slaughters innocent civilians in other countries instead of his own? Does that make him better? Or worse? Your emperor is naked.Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #12 December 20, 2004 Quote . . . and Bush is in the "good" category. Uhmmmmm . . . have you read the story? http://www.time.com/time/personoftheyear/2004/story.html?cnn=yes I'd say it's a mixed review at best.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
3ringheathen 0 #13 December 20, 2004 Speaking of comments that destroy credibility: 1) It's not at all obvious that Bush is in the "good" category. 2) No one said that Bush is equal to Stalin. There are some parallels between the two. The scale of the problems are, of course, debatable. -Josh If you have time to panic, you have time to do something more productive. -Me* *Ron has accused me of plagiarizing this quote. He attributes it to Douglas Adams. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #14 December 20, 2004 QuoteNo one said that Bush is equal to Stalin. "Stalin and Deng Xiaoping appeared twice. Bush would be in fine company." - Kallend, Message #3 Anyone who suggests that Stalin is a "fine" man, or that Bush is the equivalent of Stalin, has zero credibility. Of course, in his usual fashion, Kallend will just claim that this is not what he meant, and that he's just playing word games again to suggest things, while trying to avoid the responsibility of actually coming right out and saying it. Credibility? Zero. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #15 December 20, 2004 QuoteAnyone who suggests that Stalin is a "fine" man, or that Bush is the equivalent of Stalin, has zero credibility. Just the same as anyone who would blindly follow Shrub.Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,118 #16 December 20, 2004 >Anyone who suggests that Stalin is a "fine" man, or that Bush is >the equivalent of Stalin, has zero credibility. Funny you should mention that. At a recent canadian speech, his handlers sat Bush in front of a life size picture of Stalin, FDR and Churchhill. Stalin was blocked out, and Bush was seated in front of where Stalin used to be in the picture. I'm sure the implication was supposed to be that he was in the company of FDR and Churchill, but the implied replacement was very funny indeed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #17 December 20, 2004 QuoteQuoteComments like that are what destroy your credibility here. Better to follow blindly, right? Just as bad to follow blindly left too. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #18 December 20, 2004 Quote Just as bad to follow blindly left too. I agree completely. We must think for ourselves and stay informed. But that also means asking and answering hard questions.Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #19 December 20, 2004 QuoteAnyone who suggests that Stalin is a "fine" man, or that Bush is the equivalent of Stalin, has zero credibility. I'll say it. I established a thread to discuss that very thing. Feel free to join in. "have we become what we fear?"Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gawain 0 #20 December 20, 2004 QuoteQuoteAnyone who suggests that Stalin is a "fine" man, or that Bush is the equivalent of Stalin, has zero credibility. I'll say it. I established a thread to discuss that very thing. Feel free to join in. "have we become what we fear?" To answer your question: No. How do I know? Because you are allowed to make or draw a comparison of a man responsible for killing in upwards of 50,000,000 people during his reign to my President who has freed in upwards of 30,000,000 people who were under the rule of despots like Stalin. If you see a common thread, fine, but I think it's pretty disturbing that you could. ... ... apples and oranges.So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright 'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life Make light! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #21 December 20, 2004 I have to agree. As much as I dislike Bush and his policies, he sure ain't Stalin. Bush is doing what he believes is best for the nation and its people. I disagree that's what he's accomplishing with his policies. But I sure wouldn't attibute that thought process to Stalin. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #22 December 20, 2004 Quote In Reply To In Reply To Anyone who suggests that Stalin is a "fine" man, or that Bush is the equivalent of Stalin, has zero credibility. I'll say it. I established a thread to discuss that very thing. Feel free to join in. "have we become what we fear?" To answer your question: No. How do I know? Because you are allowed to make or draw a comparison of a man responsible for killing in upwards of 50,000,000 people during his reign to my President who has freed in upwards of 30,000,000 people who were under the rule of despots like Stalin. If you see a common thread, fine, but I think it's pretty disturbing that you could. ... ... apples and oranges. No one is claiming they are carbon copies of one another. Again, read the first link on the first post of the "Have we become what we fear?" thread. I don't know how to break this to you, but Shrub has not liberated anyone. He has just changed from one U.S. installed government in Iraq to another. Thousands have been killed, and many more will die of cancer, with radiation exposures lasting much longer than this war, which is a violation of Geneva Convention on Human Rights. Wonder why Shrub won't join the World Court? And, don't forget, Stalinwas our ally. He contributed far more than the U.S. when it came to stopping Hitler. So don't tell me that Something good Shrub has done balances out his FUBAR leadership. You see apples and oranges. I see apples and apple blossoms. Personally, it worries me that so many people don't see it. Again, we should take this discussion to the relevant thread.Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
3ringheathen 0 #23 December 21, 2004 QuoteQuoteQuoteNo one said that Bush is equal to Stalin. "Stalin and Deng Xiaoping appeared twice. Bush would be in fine company." - Kallend, Message #3 Anyone who suggests that Stalin is a "fine" man, or that Bush is the equivalent of Stalin, has zero credibility. Of course, in his usual fashion, Kallend will just claim that this is not what he meant Of course he'll claim that's not what he meant. It's not even what he wrote. In order to appreciate the distinction, which isn't particularly subtle, you have to first accept that not everyone shares your opinion that Bush is doing a good job. You don't have to agree with them, but you have to recognize the difference in perspective. Speaking for myself, I disagree with the majority of Bush's major policies. I think he's doing more harm than good. His intentions may be good, but he's making a mess of things. In my opinion, of course. In that sense, he's more comparable to Stalin than say, Ghandi. Is he as bad as Stalin? Hardly. But then, I wasn't arguing that, and I doubt Kallend was either. It's certainly not what he wrote. Therefore, his credibility is just fine in my book. You're not doing quite so well. -Josh If you have time to panic, you have time to do something more productive. -Me* *Ron has accused me of plagiarizing this quote. He attributes it to Douglas Adams. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,148 #24 December 21, 2004 QuoteQuoteQuoteAnyone who suggests that Stalin is a "fine" man, or that Bush is the equivalent of Stalin, has zero credibility. I'll say it. I established a thread to discuss that very thing. Feel free to join in. "have we become what we fear?" To answer your question: No. How do I know? Because you are allowed to make or draw a comparison of a man responsible for killing in upwards of 50,000,000 people during his reign to my President who has freed in upwards of 30,000,000 people who were under the rule of despots like Stalin. If you see a common thread, fine, but I think it's pretty disturbing that you could. ... ... apples and oranges. Stalin did more to eliminate the Nazis than any other wartime leader, even if he came to it unwillingly.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites turtlespeed 226 #25 December 21, 2004 Quote Oh, and you left out some of the other Presidents who have received the award multiple times: Harry Truman, Dwight Eisenhower (first as a general), Lyndon Johnson, Richard Nixon, Ronald Reagan, Bill Clinton, and Franklin Roosevelt. Now WHY would that happen, do you think? Would it be fair to say that Bill Clinton should be compared to Stalin and Deng Xiaoping as well?I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 Next Page 1 of 2 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0
kallend 2,148 #24 December 21, 2004 QuoteQuoteQuoteAnyone who suggests that Stalin is a "fine" man, or that Bush is the equivalent of Stalin, has zero credibility. I'll say it. I established a thread to discuss that very thing. Feel free to join in. "have we become what we fear?" To answer your question: No. How do I know? Because you are allowed to make or draw a comparison of a man responsible for killing in upwards of 50,000,000 people during his reign to my President who has freed in upwards of 30,000,000 people who were under the rule of despots like Stalin. If you see a common thread, fine, but I think it's pretty disturbing that you could. ... ... apples and oranges. Stalin did more to eliminate the Nazis than any other wartime leader, even if he came to it unwillingly.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #25 December 21, 2004 Quote Oh, and you left out some of the other Presidents who have received the award multiple times: Harry Truman, Dwight Eisenhower (first as a general), Lyndon Johnson, Richard Nixon, Ronald Reagan, Bill Clinton, and Franklin Roosevelt. Now WHY would that happen, do you think? Would it be fair to say that Bill Clinton should be compared to Stalin and Deng Xiaoping as well?I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
