Kennedy 0 #51 December 20, 2004 QuoteSo to summarize, how can we refer to the FF thoughts and intentions in regard to the 2nd in regard to specific gun ownership when those thoughts can't be supported with other Amendments like the first in regard to what separation of churcha and state meant and to what degree? You obviously haven't looked into this very deeply. There are countless documents to tell us exactly what the founding fathers thought about 2nd Amendment issues. There are letters, published papers, debates, and so on. (separation of church and state is for another thread, but you should recognize that this idea didn't even make it into the constitution, and firearms did) QuoteAgain, it all falls back on the US Sup Ct NO MATTER WHAT and there is no way around having some body of governement interpret that intention of the FF. THey have. There are many SCUS decisions that interpret or reference the real meaning of the 2nd Amendment. None have ever come up with this "communal right" garbage. All have stated that it is an individual right. One, Miller, even stated that arms appropriate to military use are directly covered and meant for civilian ownership. Yes, that mean full-automatic firearms. The founding fathers were quite clear, if you have a clear mind and are willing to listen. QuoteThe intent is that every man be armed. ...let your gun be the constant companion of your walks ...the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed Let no freeman be debarred the use of arms And those are just the ones off the top of my head. Can you find even one quote by a founding father that says citizens have no right to arms?witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #52 December 20, 2004 QuoteWhere did I say anything about guns? You imagine my answers and then respond to your imagination. Oh I see, you were resorting to your old tactic of playing word games again. Pardon me, I thought you were interested in serious discussion. I temporarily forgot who I was dealing with... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,148 #53 December 20, 2004 QuoteQuoteWhere did I say anything about guns? You imagine my answers and then respond to your imagination. Oh I see, you were resorting to your old tactic of playing word games again. Pardon me, I thought you were interested in serious discussion. I temporarily forgot who I was dealing with... The context of my reply was your statement about MILITIAS. Go back and check. I'll accept a gracious apology.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites