jjiimmyyt 0 #1 December 15, 2004 I hope so. Now that Blunkett has resigned I hope that the whole Id card (please produce your papers!) dies with his career. Thoughts? "This isn't an iron lung, people. You can actually disconnect and not die." -Dave Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GeordieSkydiver 0 #2 December 15, 2004 Why? ID cards are a very good idea. They'll cut fraud down, help with sorting out the immigration problem(maybe), speed up certain other systems (passport issues, health etc). Some people may feel their liberty is at stake, I dont buy it. With driving licenses, credit cards, work ID etc etc we practically have ID cards anyway. The only people who dont like the idea are either 'bad guys' or "Too PC" This is all just my opinion, I've had a Miltary ID card for 17 years, and it never did me any harm.Lee _______________________________ In a world full of people, only some want to fly, is that not crazy? http://www.ukskydiver.co.uk Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,150 #3 December 15, 2004 QuoteI hope so. Now that Blunkett has resigned I hope that the whole Id card (please produce your papers!) dies with his career. Thoughts? There's ID cards and ID cards. What if they wanted one with a RFID chip and/or GPS chip in it, so Big Brother could track you 24/7?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jjiimmyyt 0 #4 December 15, 2004 The wartime ID card used in the UK outlived the war, and found its way into general use until the early 1950s. Police became used to the idea of routinely demanding the card, until in 1953 the High Court ruled that the practice was unlawful. In a landmark ruling that led to the repealing of the National Registration Act, and the abandonment of the ID card, the Lord Chief Justice remarked : ... although the police may have powers, it does not follow that they should exercise them on all occasions...it is obvious that the police now, as a matter of routine, demand the production of national registration identity cards whenever they stop or interrogate a motorist for any cause....This Act was passed for security purposes and not for the purposes for which, apparently it is now sought to be used.... in this country we have always prided ourselves on the good feeling that exists between the police and the public, and such action tends to make the public resentful of the acts of police and inclines them to obstruct them rather than assist them "This isn't an iron lung, people. You can actually disconnect and not die." -Dave Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jjiimmyyt 0 #5 December 15, 2004 QuoteQuoteI hope so. Now that Blunkett has resigned I hope that the whole Id card (please produce your papers!) dies with his career. Thoughts? There's ID cards and ID cards. What if they wanted one with a RFID chip and/or GPS chip in it, so Big Brother could track you 24/7? I think you just answered your own question. "This isn't an iron lung, people. You can actually disconnect and not die." -Dave Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GeordieSkydiver 0 #6 December 15, 2004 Quote There's ID cards and ID cards. What if they wanted one with a RFID chip and/or GPS chip in it, so Big Brother could track you 24/7? Be reasonable, obody is planning to track your every move. If a RFID chip proves the card is yours and you are who you say you are, thats ok. GPS tracking is the stuff of science fiction. Simply not possible on the scale we are talking about.Lee _______________________________ In a world full of people, only some want to fly, is that not crazy? http://www.ukskydiver.co.uk Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jjiimmyyt 0 #7 December 15, 2004 QuoteQuote There's ID cards and ID cards. What if they wanted one with a RFID chip and/or GPS chip in it, so Big Brother could track you 24/7? Be reasonable, obody is planning to track your every move. If a RFID chip proves the card is yours and you are who you say you are, thats ok. GPS tracking is the stuff of science fiction. Simply not possible on the scale we are talking about. What if you are required to register all (mobile) phone numbers? Then you be tracked better than a hooray Henry after a fox. "This isn't an iron lung, people. You can actually disconnect and not die." -Dave Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GeordieSkydiver 0 #8 December 16, 2004 What do you mean 'if' most mobile phones are registered, you have to have a bank account to buy one, and therefore it can be traced to you. The technology is there, the point is....why would anyone want to? If your a normal person, living your normal law abiding life, why would they track your mobile? They wouldn't, unless you were missing, then maybe they could find your body/you. Or if you were a criminal, under surviellence. In that case, it aint a bad thing. No honest person, with a fair bit of common sense thinks ID cards are a bad thing (IMHO) Much more people are just apathic about them.Lee _______________________________ In a world full of people, only some want to fly, is that not crazy? http://www.ukskydiver.co.uk Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jjiimmyyt 0 #9 December 16, 2004 QuoteWhat do you mean 'if' most mobile phones are registered, you have to have a bank account to buy one, and therefore it can be traced to you. The technology is there, the point is....why would anyone want to? If your a normal person, living your normal law abiding life, why would they track your mobile? They wouldn't, unless you were missing, then maybe they could find your body/you. Or if you were a criminal, under surviellence. In that case, it aint a bad thing. No honest person, with a fair bit of common sense thinks ID cards are a bad thing (IMHO) Much more people are just apathic about them. Apart from mentining you can get a prepaid mobile withour ID, for cash, legally. "When they came for the Muslims, i didn't protest, I wasn't a Muslim" Until and if I do something illegal i shouldn't have to prove who i am. As soon as ID cards become a legal requirement then by not carrying one I become a criminal. Remeber, we 9UK) are not involved in a war, its a police 'action'. "This isn't an iron lung, people. You can actually disconnect and not die." -Dave Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Paulipod 0 #10 December 16, 2004 I dont mind having an ID card if its not used as yet another revenue source!... I have paid for my Drivers licence, and my passport - another 35 quid is a bit off Bodyflight Bedford www.bodyflight.co.uk Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jjiimmyyt 0 #11 December 16, 2004 Quote I dont mind having an ID card if its not used as yet another revenue source!... I have paid for my Drivers licence, and my passport - another 35 quid is a bit off Sorry, you'll pay for it either through a direct fee or inderct taxation. You'll also have to pay more tax to fund the salaries of the administrators of the scheme. "This isn't an iron lung, people. You can actually disconnect and not die." -Dave Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dropoutdave 0 #12 December 16, 2004 £35 is a bit steep. The main problem i've got with ID cards is the fact that if our government did their job properly instead of being an incompetent bunch of fuck we wouldn't be needing them. Just seems like a cop out on their behalf in some ways. Apart from that I feel that they will help to sort out some of the issues that our government has so inadequately attempted to sort out. ------------------------------------------------------ May Contain Nut traces...... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
