Jimbo 0 #51 December 17, 2004 QuoteQuote I don't know too many people that have lost a job or been passed over due to AA, do you?? I know several. AA is racial discrimination. No ifs. No ands. No buts. AA is racial discrimination. Period. It is disgusting and should be abolished. Silly Vinny, AA is the good kind of racial discrimination. - Jim"Like" - The modern day comma Good bye, my friends. You are missed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #52 December 17, 2004 Don't listen to Vinny, all short people are the same and should be taken care of and given jobs requiring food handling, provided the fryers aren't too tall. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheAnvil 0 #53 December 17, 2004 Discarded phone books make fine booster seats and ladders for the vertically challenged.... I used to work at this taco joint and LOVED it. I would pretend to not speak English well and repeat the order back to rednecks completely wrong. Success was had if the redneck squealed tires and was reaching for his gunrack when he arrived at the window..... I love being from KY! Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #54 December 17, 2004 I'm working on a new film project that might interest Vinny....see my sig Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,148 #55 December 17, 2004 QuoteQuoteQuote I don't know too many people that have lost a job or been passed over due to AA, do you?? I know several. AA is racial discrimination. No ifs. No ands. No buts. AA is racial discrimination. Period. It is disgusting and should be abolished. Silly Vinny, AA is the good kind of racial discrimination. - Jim Would you prefer reparations? It is a basic premise of US law that injured parties are entitled to compensation from those injuring them. In this case an entire race suffered at the hands of another race. Just saying "OK, now we'll stop enslaving you and making your kids go to inferior schools and we won't make you sit at the back of the bus any more, so now everything's hunky dory" is simply not adequate.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #56 December 17, 2004 Uggh..now you're going to bring up the whole "But I never owned a slave and neither did my ancestors" argument." Haven't you figured it out yet? Certain areas of the political spectrum include people who could give a shit about anyone but themselves. They only see what they're not getting. It pisses them off, for example to not be able to get a 50" plasma tv so that some slob who doesn't work as hard as they do sitting in a climate controlled office, in a chair with lumbar support can go to the doctor to treat his pneumonia. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,588 #57 December 17, 2004 Hey Vinny -- if you want the jackass cookie cutter, holler -- I'm cleaning out some of the old cookie cutters... Wendy W.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #58 December 17, 2004 QuoteIt is a basic premise of US law that injured parties are entitled to compensation from those injuring them. .... "injured parties" - "those injuring them" That's individuals (even in class action suits) - Not an entire race or class or subgroup or however people like to generalize it in order to feel outrage without having to look individuals in their faces. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #59 December 17, 2004 QuoteQuote You claim that institutional racism is disgusting and that we need affirmative action? - Jim Yes To promote, and reach parity. Then it can end. We haven't gotten there yet. And claiming that minorities have unfair advantage due to affirmative action is ignoring the racism against them that still permeates society today. In a perfect world, it wouldn't be necessary, but it's not a perfect world, and even with the policies in place, the deck is still stacked against them. To clarify, I was referring to the ignorant racist comments in the article toward Rice as being disgusting. Yeah - kinda like - what is it that they said they would abolish - OH YEAH - income tax.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheAnvil 0 #60 December 17, 2004 Humorous. So you support racial discrimination to remedy past racial discrimination, eh Kallend? Poverty and inferior school districts know no racial boundaries. Using race as a discriminator to compensate for either is asinine by any standard. Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #61 December 17, 2004 What is your suggested remedy? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheAnvil 0 #62 December 17, 2004 Remedy for what? Recorded history? Just because others are racially prejudiced and whine with great volume doesn't mean that I am or should be. Color is a non-sequitur with me and will continue to be. Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,148 #63 December 17, 2004 QuoteRemedy for what? Recorded history? Just because others are racially prejudiced and whine with great volume doesn't mean that I am or should be. Color is a non-sequitur with me and will continue to be. So if I burn your house down, I can use the "that's history" defence now? Unfortunately color was very much sequitur in recent history.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,148 #64 December 17, 2004 QuoteQuoteIt is a basic premise of US law that injured parties are entitled to compensation from those injuring them. .... "injured parties" - "those injuring them" That's individuals (even in class action suits) - Not an entire race or class or subgroup or however people like to generalize it in order to feel outrage without having to look individuals in their faces. The Congress has passed laws clearly allowing race to be allowed as a factor in remedying past injustices. I am a blue eyed fair haired (what's left) Anglo who immigrated after the end of institutionalized segregation and I think it's quite appropriate that those who suffered and their descendants should get some form of redress. Whites got off pretty cheap with "affirmative action", IMO. Have you ever watched the movies taken outside the schoolhouses and universities in the south when the first blacks were admitted. Those hate-filled whites and their kids are now the chief whiners about AA and staunch Bush supporters. Funny how those who benefitted from segregation were so supportive of it prior to the 1960's, but now someone else benefits they're so strongly against any race-based benefit. That's HYPOCRISY in my book.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheAnvil 0 #65 December 17, 2004 Defend your support of racial discrimination however you like, my dear Kallend. The fact that 'tis racial discrimination remains. If you burn down my house, you've done something to ME. Not to my parents, grand parents, great grandparents, great-great grandparents....I'm sure you get the point. Your support of racial discrimination as a remedy to racial discrimination of past/present is indefensible by any standard of logic. Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #66 December 17, 2004 Congress doesn't necessarily do what's right, just expeditious and popular and lately PC - it's the nature of democracy to at some point have the entire populace try to vote themselves rich. That's when the society starts to break itself down when greed takes precedence over justice - I do believe that this is what PC is really about regardless of the good intentions in the beginning. In this aspect, it's certainly not reps vs dems, but the overall direction of current politics that's mucking up. Catagorizing all people who see flaws with race-based preferences in the form of AA or just simply "Bush supporters" with your historic observations of a few (or a lot of) nut jobs "Those hate-filled whites and their kids" continues to be the type of thought process that you show that is just not right. You are way too quick to compartmentalize groups of people you don't even know into any subject you talk on. And this is what we are supposed to be fighting against. I'd bet that 90% of the people opposing AA are sincere in their beliefs that it causes more harm than good. Ditto for the sincerity of those supporting the concept. Speaking to the merits and detriments of the theory is useful, bashing and stereotyping people is not useful although much easier. And thinning hair does suck, especially for someone like me who likes it cut real short (high speed, low drag, low maintenance). ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #67 December 17, 2004 QuoteRemedy for what? Recorded history? Just because others are racially prejudiced and whine with great volume doesn't mean that I am or should be. Color is a non-sequitur with me and will continue to be. So do you believe there is no current effect on the black community stemming from the history of slavery and racism? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,116 #68 December 17, 2004 >Your support of racial discrimination as a remedy to racial > discrimination of past/present is indefensible by any standard of > logic. Do you support discrimination against crime victims? (i.e. treating them differently by awarding them money, making counseling available to rape victims etc.) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #69 December 17, 2004 QuoteDo you support discrimination against crime victims? (i.e. treating them differently by awarding them money, making counseling available to rape victims etc.) Nice, let's work that example. Billvon get robbed by Anvil one night. Billvon didn't have a gun and even though he beat Anvil with his BRAIN under Kallend's recommendation, it didn't seem to stop Anvil. ......time passes........ Great grandson BilloVonno requests counseling for his swearing problem and requests PhillyKev's great grandson to pay for it - because of the theft 75 years ago done to great DaDa. In a queer twist of fate, Anvil's grandson is the therapist that actually gets the money. yup - sounds good. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheAnvil 0 #70 December 17, 2004 I assume you mean slavery in the United States and not as an institution. The group of people who identify themselves as the 'black community' - I don't care what color they are, but apparently they do - are feeling the effects of slavery and racism. They use it as an excuse for their failures because they lack the courage to face the truth about themselves and take responsibility for their own actions. Do their failures entice me to support racial discrimination? Absolutely not. I would support a hypothetical program that gave preference to children of poor families in rural and inner city areas, so long as race/sex was not considered a factor. I also support FL's affirmative ACCESS program, which is also non-race/sex based. Most AA supporters I've seen & heard revile such programs because they are not racially discriminatory in nature, and therefore will not motivate the racially prejudiced portion of their voting base to get to the polls and vote as they direct. [sarcasm]True advocates for the poor children of America indeed.[/sarcasm] Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheAnvil 0 #71 December 17, 2004 Discrimination against crime victims? I fail to follow your logic here. Please expound, if you would. Of what sort of discrimination are you speaking? I don't get it. And I'm not even drunk (yet ). Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,148 #72 December 17, 2004 QuoteCongress doesn't necessarily do what's right, just expeditious and popular and lately PC - it's the nature of democracy to at some point have the entire populace try to vote themselves rich. That's when the society starts to break itself down when greed takes precedence over justice - I do believe that this is what PC is really about regardless of the good intentions in the beginning. In this aspect, it's certainly not reps vs dems, but the overall direction of current politics that's mucking up. Catagorizing all people who see flaws with race-based preferences in the form of AA or just simply "Bush supporters" with your historic observations of a few (or a lot of) nut jobs "Those hate-filled whites and their kids" continues to be the type of thought process that you show that is just not right. You are way too quick to compartmentalize groups of people you don't even know into any subject you talk on. And this is what we are supposed to be fighting against. I'd bet that 90% of the people opposing AA are sincere in their beliefs that it causes more harm than good. Ditto for the sincerity of those supporting the concept. Speaking to the merits and detriments of the theory is useful, bashing and stereotyping people is not useful although much easier. And thinning hair does suck, especially for someone like me who likes it cut real short (high speed, low drag, low maintenance). "Oh, sure we'll stop sending you folks to inferior schools and preventing you from having good jobs. It's a real shame we enslaved lynched and discriminated against you and your ancestors for 400 years, but now we've stopped so that's OK. Most of you are dirt poor and underducated but since we're all now equal it's your own fault, so suck it up. Have a nice day."... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #73 December 17, 2004 Like I said... Haven't you figured it out yet? Certain areas of the political spectrum include people who could give a shit about anyone but themselves. They only see what they're not getting. It pisses them off, for example to not be able to get a 50" plasma tv so that some slob who doesn't work as hard as they do sitting in a climate controlled office, in a chair with lumbar support can go to the doctor to treat his pneumonia. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheAnvil 0 #74 December 18, 2004 So, Kallend, are you implying that those non-minorities who were born into poverty and attended inferior schools are all lazy scumbags who deserve the lot in life they've been given? Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,148 #75 December 18, 2004 QuoteSo, Kallend, are you implying that those non-minorities who were born into poverty and attended inferior schools are all lazy scumbags who deserve the lot in life they've been given? Need more information. Were their ancestors brought to this country in chains? Were they deprived of their culture by force? Were they deprived of "inalienable rights" as defined in the Declaration of Independence as a matter of state policy? "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness" Now, maybe I'm missing something, but it seems to me that a nation that as a matter of policy deprives a whole class of people of the rights defined in its founding document owes those people a great deal. Alabama's Constitution in 2004 STILL supports racial segregation. Check it out.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
