Dems had "Sweetheart" Segregation Deal

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Hollings: Dems Had 'Sweetheart' Segregation Deal

Until the mid-1960s, national Democratic Party leaders had a "sweetheart" deal with state Democrats in South Carolina to oppress African-Americans by keeping them in inferior schools and dilapidated housing, and denying them equal access to public accommodations, retiring senator Fritz Hollings, D-S.C., revealed on Sunday.

"We had a sweetheart deal with the National Democratic Party," he told CBS's "60 Minutes." "We’ll go along with all your programs if you’ll go along with our segregation."

The 83-year-old Democrat said that political pressure forced him, for instance, to vote against the confirmation of Thurgood Marshall, the first black to be nominated to the Supreme Court, saying it would have cost him his Senate seat to do otherwise.
"I couldn't get re-elected," Hollings explained. "And if I had voted for him, I might as well withdraw from the race."

Though he said he felt extremely guilty about opposing Marshall, Hollings took the opportunity of his last big media interview to bash the lone black in President Bush's second Cabinet, Condoleezza Rice.

"She ought to go back to teaching Russian or whatever it was," the one-time Dixiecrat complained. "I've been in security, I've been working on intelligence. And for her to come onto the television and saying on 9/11 there was nothing specific. Nothing specific. You don't say that."

Hollings is no stranger to racial controversy. In 1993 he told reporters that African leaders then attending a Geneva trade conference seemed like cannibals.

"Rather than eat each other, they'd just come up [to Switzerland] and get a good square meal," he joked.

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Disgusting. Also illlustrates how naive it is to claim there's no institutional discrimination anymore and that affirmative action is no longer necessary.

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You claim that institutional racism is disgusting and that we need affirmative action?

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You claim that institutional racism is disgusting and that we need affirmative action?

Now thats funny

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Disgusting. Also illlustrates how naive it is to claim there's no institutional discrimination anymore and that affirmative action is no longer necessary.

You might want to rethink that statement.

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You claim that institutional racism is disgusting and that we need affirmative action?

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To promote, and reach parity. Then it can end. We haven't gotten there yet. And claiming that minorities have unfair advantage due to affirmative action is ignoring the racism against them that still permeates society today.

In a perfect world, it wouldn't be necessary, but it's not a perfect world, and even with the policies in place, the deck is still stacked against them.


To clarify, I was referring to the ignorant racist comments in the article toward Rice as being disgusting.

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You claim that institutional racism is disgusting and that we need affirmative action?

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To promote, and reach parity. Then it can end. We haven't gotten there yet. And claiming that minorities have unfair advantage due to affirmative action is ignoring the racism against them that still permeates society today.

In a perfect world, it wouldn't be necessary, but it's not a perfect world, and even with the policies in place, the deck is still stacked against them.

How will we know when we reach parity?

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How will we know when we reach parity?

Pretty easily. When professional occupation, salaries, etc. reflect ratios close to that of the general population. We're not even close.

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Pretty easily. When professional occupation, salaries, etc. reflect ratios close to that of the general population. We're not even close.

Don't you think that education has some role in salaries and positions?

I mean if only 5% of blacks apply to medical school, then it would make sense that only 5 % would be doctors.

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How will we know when we reach parity?

Pretty easily. When professional occupation, salaries, etc. reflect ratios close to that of the general population. We're not even close.

Since education generally equals success and given that a large percentage of minorities live in districts where many of the schools have a very poor performance record, would you be willing to support school vouchers?

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How will we know when we reach parity?

Pretty easily. When professional occupation, salaries, etc. reflect ratios close to that of the general population. We're not even close.

Should we take some black drug dealers off the street and make them CEO's of major corporations, so that "parity" will be achieved?

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How will we know when we reach parity?

Pretty easily. When professional occupation, salaries, etc. reflect ratios close to that of the general population. We're not even close.

Should we take some black drug dealers off the street and make them CEO's of major corporations, so that "parity" will be achieved?

Don't forget about the NBA.

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Since education generally equals success and given that a large percentage of minorities live in districts where many of the schools have a very poor performance record, would you be willing to support school vouchers?

No, because school vouchers won't help them. I support improving public education in general, not making it a competition where some succeed and others fail. That's not parity. Education shouldn't be capitalistic.

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How will we know when we reach parity?

Pretty easily. When professional occupation, salaries, etc. reflect ratios close to that of the general population. We're not even close.

Should we take some black drug dealers off the street and make them CEO's of major corporations, so that "parity" will be achieved?

Thank you for the demonstration of the racism to which I was referring.

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Since education generally equals success and given that a large percentage of minorities live in districts where many of the schools have a very poor performance record, would you be willing to support school vouchers?

No, because school vouchers won't help them. I support improving public education in general, not making it a competition where some succeed and others fail. That's not parity. Education shouldn't be capitalistic.

Other than throwing more money at the problem, how do you propose we fix it?

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So are you calling me a racist?

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IMO Sen fritz's comments about GW's national security advisor weren't based on her race or gender or political orentation.


""Condoleezza Rice.

"She ought to go back to teaching Russian or whatever it was," the one-time Dixiecrat complained. "I've been in security, I've been working on intelligence. And for her to come onto the television and saying on 9/11 there was nothing specific. Nothing specific. You don't say that""

OBL was around before 9/11 connie says they didn't have any actionable intelligence to prevent 9/11. Say what you want GPS coordinates, names ss numbers and DOB Roger

IMO this is similar to Rummy saying you go to war with what you got.

This challenging international situation started a long time during both Democrate and republican andministrations ago and now the pots starting to boil over.

GW Rummy Connie show us you stuff. Medals and awards pats on the back from ea other don't mean squat.

It's about homeland security and the economy. Go get em.

If you think we don't have segreation in parts of this country the next time you visit Z hills look around the stores in town and tell us who's working and shoping there.

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So are you calling me a racist?

Nope, wouldn't dream of it. I will admit to recognizing unconscious racial bias in myself as a result of years of conditioning. Would you?

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If you think we don't have segreation in parts of this country the next time you visit Z hills look around the stores in town and tell us who's working and shoping there.

And before anyone says "well they do it too" consider how much fun it must be to always be watched more closely when you go into a store simply because you're a tall black man. I know I'd certainly find a store that didn't pay extra attention to me. It's empowerment to open one's own store.

There was another thread in here (the something-American thread) where someone was posting about all the times she was asked where she was really from. "San Francisco" wasn't good enough because it didn't play into preconceptions.

Not enough blacks are applying to medical school because not enough go to schools that prepare them for it as a normal part of their programs. Not enough to to schools that prepare them for it because sometimes the schools are not as good for various reasons, and sometimes it's simply that there aren't as many good teachers because until about 20 years ago, blacks had a harder time going to competitive colleges. Where do you think the teachers came from?

The analogy I've heard is the one about the soccer game. For 400 years we've been playing with a tilted field. The score is pretty solidly run up. It's not exactly parity when you all of a sudden make the field level, but leave the score the way it was.

Wendy W.

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How will we know when we reach parity?

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When professional occupation, salaries, etc. reflect ratios close to that of the general population

When we're reasonably close. Right now there are all kinds of cultural and social reasons why it's hard. Consider the "culture" at some companies -- aggressive, hard-driving. People who are raised in cultures where that is considered rude are automatically at a disadvantage.

Sometimes that culture is reasonable (telemarketing). But it's really not the best way for every office. One of the stated downfalls of NASA has been its confrontational technical style. You do get some good ideas really worked out that way. But you also eliminate the input of people who aren't confrontational. That's not good.

I don't think we're close enough in many industries yet. Some, probably. But all it takes (for any group -- not just bubbas) is for the whole management of some company to start hiring people "like them" for no good reason to start it all over again.

Wendy W.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

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Since education generally equals success and given that a large percentage of minorities live in districts where many of the schools have a very poor performance record, would you be willing to support school vouchers?

No, because school vouchers won't help them. I support improving public education in general, not making it a competition where some succeed and others fail. That's not parity. Education shouldn't be capitalistic.

Other than throwing more money at the problem, how do you propose we fix it?

By throwing money at the problem. The main reason for disparity between school districts is because of disparity in funding. The main source of revenue for schools are through local property taxes. It's a system that was setup and designed deliberately 100 years ago in order to insure that the poor do not become "over educated" otherwise we wouldn't have enough lower class unskilled labor to meet the demands of the early 19th century.

The thing is, we introduced affirmative action to try and bring parity to the work force without addressing education. That has resulted in less educated workers and replacing the lower class laborers born here with illegal immigrants. Not to mention that much much less of the required work force is for unskilled uneducated labor than it used to be.

The entire foundation of the public education system is fucked up. School vouchers would make it even worse.

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It's not exactly parity when you all of a sudden make the field level, but leave the score the way it was.

Nor is it to tilt the field the other way, against players that have not necessarily benifited form the original tilt...

And when do you level the field? Some segments of society already reflect population ratios... do we tilt the field selectively?

Standards are the only way to ensure the integity of an institution... modifying a standard to meet a quota based on race is racist.

J

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Disgusting. Also illlustrates how naive it is to claim there's no institutional discrimination anymore and that affirmative action is no longer necessary.

Actually, kev, Hollings's statements demonstrate how government policy was used to continue racism under the hospices of civil rights. Thank goodness Republican Senator Everett Dirksen pushed through the Civil Rights Act, which put an end to the sweetheart deals.

Of course, this is just another example of the power game - the best way to hold people down is to convince them you're helping them.

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