Europe, thy name is cowardice

[CornishChris 5]

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Comprende? I can attempt this in words of one sylable if that would help.

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Would you please? And talk more slowly too!

Thank you for your patience and understanding.

The view of a group of states or men is not the same as the view of one state or man in that group.

CJP

Gods don't kill people. People with Gods kill people

[billvon 3,085]

Cut it out, Christel. "Stop talking shit" is getting pretty close to an attack.

[christelsabine 1]

Ja-ha.

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[JohnRich 4]

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The "America" we know today, as a nation, never has been attacked from any country outside.(OK, before.....) That includes Brits, Mex, and do not talk about Japanese

The War of 1812.
The Mexican-American War.
The Japanese in WWII.
German U-boats plied our waters and sunk shipping just off-shore.

Those are in fact outside countries which have attacked our homeland.

I don't see how you can claim otherwise. Please explain.

[christelsabine 1]

No. I do not explain. You know by yourself.
Repeating that stuff would mean insulting your intellect and mine.

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Those are in fact outside countries which have attacked our homeland.
I don't see how you can claim otherwise. Please explain.

I think she might have meant having foreign troops on your continental homeland, with military and civilian casualties in the 100's of thousands. But I may be wrong.
The brutality of the battles in the Pacific in WWII are certainly on par with battles that occured in Europe.

"For once you have tasted Absinthe you will walk the earth with your eyes turned towards the gutter, for there you have been and there you will long to return."

[christelsabine 1]

Hi Frenchman,
"she", knows quite sure what "she" is talking about:
A simple fact:

The US never had been invaded from outisde. Is that alien English or what? The US do not know what it means to be attacked on their/thier own country.

The US never was forced to fight against anyone on their own soil, homeland... whatever you like.

How hard is it to explain what I mean?

Thx anyhow

dudeist skydiver # 3105

[rickjump1 0]

The Japanese occupied the Aleutian Islands during WWII. In the beginning, the American public was kept in the dark about losses and the lack of resources to drive them out.

Do your part for global warming: ban beans and hold all popcorn farts.

[rickjump1 0]

We were also attacked on American soil on 9/11.

Do your part for global warming: ban beans and hold all popcorn farts.

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As tragic, traumatic, and murderous as it truly was, I think many Europeans will trade a day in the trenches in 1917 for 10 September 11.
2 wrongs don't make a right though...

"For once you have tasted Absinthe you will walk the earth with your eyes turned towards the gutter, for there you have been and there you will long to return."

[feuergnom 29]

ok - just to chime in

the author of the article is a complete whacko!
the publisher of the newspaper is a rightwing fuckhead. one of the major products of his company is "bildzeitung" - for those of you who have no idea - it's the equivalent to the british sun or the likes (sorry don't know any american examples). how much credibility would any of put on the commentaries of some journo from the yellow press?
or an other example: would you argue over the statement that lets say howard stern represents the opinion of all u.s, citizens? – my guess is: if i posted this i'd get beat up verbally in seconds


yes - "we", the europeans - have problems with radical muslims (so does the rest of the world rather apparently) .
politics in most (european) countries has been week on these nutcases, letting them do their stuff mostly unwatched. after the murders in the netherlands there's a new process of thoight on this.
as far as i understand the issue, there will be no more tolerance on any kind of extremism.

my 2 (euro)cents: everybody is welcome to live in my country as long as they contribute to the community. i am strongly opposed to anybody seeking shelter and then working against the community/country/nation that gave it. AFAIK that is the line of thought starting to spread on a broad scale over here.




one more thing:
this whole europe vs u.s. start to SUCK MAJOR!
hey i don't know crap about the u.s. haven't been there, didn't live there. so no comments from my side to most of your politics - as long as it has no direct effect on my live. and even then - i would rather hear some very good arguements for your actions, then just the old BW-pictures

The universal aptitude for ineptitude makes any human accomplishment an incredible miracle

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[feuergnom 29]

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The view of a group of states or men is not the same as the view of one state or man in that group.

that about sums it all up. thx!

The universal aptitude for ineptitude makes any human accomplishment an incredible miracle

dudeist skydiver # 666

[mr2mk1g 10]

This thread is a testament to a startling amount of ignorance and stupidity.

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As tragic, traumatic, and murderous as it truly was, I think many Europeans will trade a day in the trenches in 1917 for 10 September 11.
2 wrongs don't make a right though...

True. And in Europe also, our enemy continues to try and find our weak areas to do bigger things.

Do your part for global warming: ban beans and hold all popcorn farts.

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Rebecca, if you ever followed worlds' history, you would find out as fllws:

The America, as known today, never was involved into any war. Never attacked from outside. "You" really do not know what it means to be in a war with foreign countries.

Europe (including Germany which, as true as it is, always was playing a big roll "Europe") always was in wars.

Germany, in particular, has it's own past. Since more than half of a century, Germans should shut up b/c of their past. We are not allowed to participate on nuclear weapons's production. Germany always has to apologize. Period.

Shit. I sound like my old teacher.

I do not apologize for my grand-grand--------fathers mistakes. I am what I am: German. I love my country. And I've got enough reading about slimy Broder's or Döpfners. Selling their stories to both sides.

If you disagree with our decisions not to enter into Iraq's war, OK. That's what I read behind your words. The US may fight against whatever they want: If we say no, we don't enter into a war. That's what "you" and the world always wanted us:. No more war.

And that's exactly what I want: No more war. Not coming from my country, not with our soldiers. Never for anyone else. Except, we are attacked. That's a different story.

Man, it's late.
Night.

Well said!!!!

[SkyDekker 1,465]

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Europe is not Germany.

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Germany sure looks like part of Europe to me.

Your right John Germany is a part of Europe. Very good .

Now for the next difficult concept.....I'll give you a second to sit down and scratch your head.......just because it is a part of Europe doesn't mean that Germany is Europe or that Europe is Germany.

I know, lot's of information early in the morning. Grab a nice shiny gun and rub it for a bit, I know it will sink in.........

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What I wonder about is the attitude. Not getting involved is Germany's prerogative, but being so opposed to the point of anti-Americanism (not you personally, the over-reaching national sentiment) is something else.

When your elected leader sais: "with us or against us" you don´t get to wonder why so many people is against you. Most of the countries you perceive as anti-american (ie France, Germany) would have been quite happy maintening their neutrality and not taking part moral or otherwise in your Irak adventure.

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Your right John Germany is a part of Europe. Very good .

Now for the next difficult concept.....I'll give you a second to sit down and scratch your head.......just because it is a part of Europe doesn't mean that Germany is Europe or that Europe is Germany.

I know, lot's of information early in the morning. Grab a nice shiny gun and rub it for a bit, I know it will sink in.........

I'm not so sure that the rules allow you to make personal attacks as long as you put a at the end. I could be wrong.

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"Us" is anyone who cherishes freedom and democracy. It's not a perfect system, but it's better than the alternatives. "Them" is anyone who would kill any of "Us" because we cherish those things. Doesn't sound like Nationalism to me.

Sorry, that is Bullshit. No one hates the U.S because you like freedom or democracy. That is just an slogan your president likes to say to make the population hate whoever you need to hate at the moment.
Make no mistake, if half the muslim world hates the U.S is because of many years of wrong foreign policies. I mean wrong for them.
For god´s shake, what the hell did you expect when you econmically supported and still does Israel and Irak. Did you really expected to be well like by their enemies?

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Hey P,there is a startling amount of ignorance and arrogance on this thread from the some "Euros" but they dont have the market cornered,it looks like Canada is well represented too

Marc SCR 6046 SCS 3004

[pajarito 0]

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Hey P,there is a startling amount of ignorance and arrogance on this thread from the some "Euros" but they dont have the market cornered,it looks like Canada is well represented too

Uh huh...

[SkyDekker 1,465]

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Hey P,there is a startling amount of ignorance and arrogance on this thread from the some "Euros" but they dont have the market cornered,it looks like Canada is well represented too

Feels different when you are on the other side of it, doesn't it.

[mr2mk1g 10]

Assuming that your post is a parody of my comment - I had intended that to be directed towards both sides of the argument (if not actually at all posters).

There have been incredible slips from reality made by a lot of people in this thread; on both sides. I didn't intend to single out either side nor anyone in particular as the subject of my observation.

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Sorry, that is Bullshit. No one hates the U.S because you like freedom or democracy. That is just an slogan your president likes to say to make the population hate whoever you need to hate at the moment.

Are you sure about that? Our freedom allows many here to express themselves in ways that their strict religious views do not tolerate. According to many of them, our secular nation is the great satan.

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Make no mistake, if half the muslim world hates the U.S is because of many years of wrong foreign policies. I mean wrong for them. For god´s shake, what the hell did you expect when you econmically supported and still does Israel and Irak. Did you really expected to be well like by their enemies?

I was part of the effort to liberate the Muslims in the Balkans. We support many Muslim nations. The US is the most generous country on the planet. I think the hatred goes back way further and is much deeper seeded than as a result of our foreign policies or our support of Israel. This is nothing new. This isn't all as a result of Bush.

[mr2mk1g 10]

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The US is the most generous country on the planet.

Sorry - gotta call you on that. Sure, the japs alone beat you on a pure $ ammount (making the US 2nd)... but when seen on a per capita basis or on a $/GDP basis the US is waaaaay down the list.