crozby 0 #51 December 14, 2004 QuoteIts interesting that what you guys see as apathy, we tend to see as simply not wanting to interfere in the business of other nations. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Then y'all should get the hell outta the UN. Isn't that what the UN is all about? I'm not sure even the UN really knows what the UN is about anymore. Its lack of useful response to the situation in Darfur reinforces what a waste of money it has become. But then the whole world is sitting on it's collective arse on that issue. QuoteBy the way, thank the Prussians for doing the "really hard work" at Waterloo. The Brits just mopped up Napoleon afterwards. Otherwise, 1066 would have been repeated. LOL. Can't argue with that. BTW, I don't think for a moment that US help wasn't critical, but it's the Russians everyone should be thanking the most IMHO. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rebecca 0 #52 December 14, 2004 QuoteIf you disagree with our decisions not to enter into Iraq's war, OK. That's what I read behind your words. The US may fight against whatever they want: If we say no, we don't enter into a war. That's what "you" and the world always wanted us:. No more war. Also, schlaf gut! Ach mensch, das meinte ich nicht. I don't think you should be involved. I do know what Germany has been through, and I don't ask any German to keep apologizing. The times were what they were, that is, ripe for the leader who stepped up at that point in time. Times have changed. I love Germany and its people, which perhaps I wasn't so clear about. What I wonder about is the attitude. Not getting involved is Germany's prerogative, but being so opposed to the point of anti-Americanism (not you personally, the over-reaching national sentiment) is something else. If it's true that our current enemy sees all free, democratic Westerners as their foe, well you're on that list too. you've got to ask yourself one question: 'Do I feel loquacious?' -- well do you, punk? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rebecca 0 #53 December 14, 2004 QuoteQuote Even if it's 'Us against the nationalists'? Crazy We are the nationalists. Have you not seen the "Proud to be American, "United We Stand," "These colors never run," etc. bumper stickers. Patriotism is Nationalism. Two words, one meaning. Um, I beg to differ. Being proud of your country is a good thing. Killing all those not just like you is a bad thing. I am a patriot, a citizen of these United States of America, and I put my hand over my heart when the National Anthem is sung. And I respect your right to a different opinion. But I take offense to your statement. You can be a patriot and not be a blind follower of the party line at the same time. you've got to ask yourself one question: 'Do I feel loquacious?' -- well do you, punk? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,120 #54 December 14, 2004 >Who hates Europe? I love it! Just not all of its policies... I was referring to the author of that article. There are plenty of people here who hate Europe; I'm sure you've read the diatribes here against France, Spain, Germany etc. Stands to reason there are people in Europe who feel the same way. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
markd_nscr986 0 #55 December 14, 2004 ***The America, as known today, never was involved into any war. Never attacked from outside. "You" really do not know what it means to be in a war with foreign countries. Oh my................. Revolutionary War,War of 1812,and although not a war with a "foreign" power the most costly on US soil, War Between the StatesThe Mexican war of the 1840's I leave out solely for the reason it was instigated by the US over some really incredulous and baseless claims,just to steal land from MexicoMarc SCR 6046 SCS 3004 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rebecca 0 #56 December 14, 2004 Ah, gotcha you've got to ask yourself one question: 'Do I feel loquacious?' -- well do you, punk? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
christelsabine 1 #57 December 14, 2004 Quote***The America, as known today, never was involved into any war. Never attacked from outside. "You" really do not know what it means to be in a war with foreign countries. Oh my................. Revolutionary War,War of 1812,and although not a war with a "foreign" power the most costly on US soil, War Between the StatesThe Mexican war of the 1840's I leave out solely for the reason it was instigated by the US over some really incredulous and baseless claims,just to steal land from Mexico ______________________________________________________ I said "outside", means really from outside countries. And not between the states. dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rebecca 0 #58 December 14, 2004 I think she meant that we've never been attacked quite like this, provoking us on our soil, though Pearl Harbor comes to mind... hmm. you've got to ask yourself one question: 'Do I feel loquacious?' -- well do you, punk? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #59 December 14, 2004 QuoteIn America, they first came for the communists... Comparing America with Hitler's death camps - now that will get you a lot of credibility! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #60 December 14, 2004 There can't be an "Us" without a "them." When others are alienated because they are not one of "us," whether it be because of race, religion, or nationality, that is bad. I'm American because that is the country in which my parents had sex; its not something I'm proud (or ashamed) of. I'm not superior to an Iraqi or an Iranian or a Cuban or a Mexican or any other nationality, just because I am American. I don't identify myself by my country.Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rebecca 0 #61 December 14, 2004 QuoteQuoteIn America, they first came for the communists... Comparing America with Hitler's death camps - now that will get you a lot of credibility! Just like calling patriots nazis will. you've got to ask yourself one question: 'Do I feel loquacious?' -- well do you, punk? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #62 December 14, 2004 QuoteEurope is not Germany. Germany sure looks like part of Europe to me. Map of Europe Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zep 0 #63 December 14, 2004 Sorry I was refering to Broder He gets on my nerves with his anti Semitic claptrap Gone fishing Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rebecca 0 #64 December 14, 2004 Who said anyone was superior? Being proud doesn't mean you have a superiority complex. I don't think I'm better than anyone. I am damn glad to have been born here though, and NOT in Iraq or the Sudan or Afghanistan or Sierra Leone (poorest country in the world). Is that wrong? I'm blessed, and I know it, and I am grateful. I would feel the same if I were German. "Us" is anyone who cherishes freedom and democracy. It's not a perfect system, but it's better than the alternatives. "Them" is anyone who would kill any of "Us" because we cherish those things. Doesn't sound like Nationalism to me. you've got to ask yourself one question: 'Do I feel loquacious?' -- well do you, punk? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
christelsabine 1 #65 December 14, 2004 QuoteQuoteEurope is not Germany. Germany sure looks like part of Europe to me. ____ It is JohnRich, it is. You just need a better map, or better news papers. BTW: What does your recent president want us to do? There is more than just FOX. dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jcd11235 0 #66 December 14, 2004 My point is that some people hate Bush for exactly the same reason others hate bin laden. While there are MANY parallels between pre-WWII Germany and present day America, I have come to understand that most Americans refuse to believe something like that could happen in this country. check out: http://www.kyhwana.org/scrapbook/data/20041118150345/Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jcd11235 0 #67 December 14, 2004 QuoteJust like calling patriots nazis will. I called patriots ethnocentrists, not Nazis. Please read my posts before you reply to them.Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites JohnRich 4 #68 December 14, 2004 QuoteRevolutionary War, War of 1812... The Mexican war of the 1840's... (And of course, Japan/Hawaii too.) QuoteI said "outside", means really from outside countries. And not between the states. Um, excuse me there Cristel, but do you believe that Britain, Mexico and Japan are part of the United States, rather than "outside countries"? I thought you were bragging about your high level of geographic knowledge... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites JohnRich 4 #69 December 14, 2004 QuoteQuoteQuoteEurope is not Germany. Germany sure looks like part of Europe to me. ____ It is JohnRich, it is. You just need a better map. If you agree with me, then why do I need a better map? You're not making sense... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites CornishChris 5 #70 December 14, 2004 Quote -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- In Reply To -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Europe is not Germany. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Germany sure looks like part of Europe to me. Analogy for you JR. New York State wasn't won by Bush. however you can't go round claiming Bush didn't win because: America is not New York State. Comprende? I can attempt this in words of one sylable if that would help. CJP Gods don't kill people. People with Gods kill people Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jcd11235 0 #71 December 14, 2004 Quote"Us" is anyone who cherishes freedom and democracy. It's not a perfect system, but it's better than the alternatives. Unless you compare it to free countries with healthcare for everyone, education for all, low crime and prison rates, etc. Then we come out decisively on bottom. But no one makes those comparisons, with good reason. I have a hard time calling the country that imprisons the highest percentage of its citizens (in the world) a free country. Less authoritarian than some other countries, perhaps., but decidedly more so than some, as well.Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites JohnRich 4 #72 December 14, 2004 QuoteMy point is that some people hate Bush for exactly the same reason others hate bin laden. I have no problem noting significant distinctions between the actions of Bush and Bin Ladin, and judging which stands on the side of "right", and which on the side of "wrong". Just because some people hate someone, that doesn't make the person equal to a mass-murdering terrorist. Gosh, first you compared America to Hitler's death camps, and now you compare Bush to a mass-murdering terrorist. Here's some advice for you: when you're digging yourself into a hole and hit rock bottom - stop digging! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites markd_nscr986 0 #73 December 14, 2004 *** I don't identify myself by my country. Yeah, maybe not,but I but your passport doesMarc SCR 6046 SCS 3004 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites JohnRich 4 #74 December 14, 2004 QuoteComprende? I can attempt this in words of one sylable if that would help. Would you please? And talk more slowly too! Thank you for your patience and understanding. Oh, by the way, you misspelled "sylable". Even dumb old me figured that out. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites christelsabine 1 #75 December 14, 2004 QuoteQuoteRevolutionary War, War of 1812... The Mexican war of the 1840's... (And of course, Japan/Hawaii too.) QuoteI said "outside", means really from outside countries. And not between the states. Um, excuse me there Cristel, but do you believe that Britain, Mexico and Japan are part of the United States, rather than "outside countries"? I thought you were bragging about your high level of geographic knowledge... ______________________________________________________ Stop talking shit, JohnRich, You know what I mean. The "America" we know today, as a nation, never has been attacked from any country outside.(OK, before.....) That includes Brits, Mex, and do not talk about Japanese; That's a complete different story. Again, JohnRich: Do not get me started on education or something like that. You know exactly what I mean. Which country ever declared a war on the "US" before the WWs? Invaded the US? That's a feeling like talking to kids. 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jcd11235 0 #66 December 14, 2004 My point is that some people hate Bush for exactly the same reason others hate bin laden. While there are MANY parallels between pre-WWII Germany and present day America, I have come to understand that most Americans refuse to believe something like that could happen in this country. check out: http://www.kyhwana.org/scrapbook/data/20041118150345/Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #67 December 14, 2004 QuoteJust like calling patriots nazis will. I called patriots ethnocentrists, not Nazis. Please read my posts before you reply to them.Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #68 December 14, 2004 QuoteRevolutionary War, War of 1812... The Mexican war of the 1840's... (And of course, Japan/Hawaii too.) QuoteI said "outside", means really from outside countries. And not between the states. Um, excuse me there Cristel, but do you believe that Britain, Mexico and Japan are part of the United States, rather than "outside countries"? I thought you were bragging about your high level of geographic knowledge... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #69 December 14, 2004 QuoteQuoteQuoteEurope is not Germany. Germany sure looks like part of Europe to me. ____ It is JohnRich, it is. You just need a better map. If you agree with me, then why do I need a better map? You're not making sense... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites CornishChris 5 #70 December 14, 2004 Quote -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- In Reply To -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Europe is not Germany. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Germany sure looks like part of Europe to me. Analogy for you JR. New York State wasn't won by Bush. however you can't go round claiming Bush didn't win because: America is not New York State. Comprende? I can attempt this in words of one sylable if that would help. CJP Gods don't kill people. People with Gods kill people Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jcd11235 0 #71 December 14, 2004 Quote"Us" is anyone who cherishes freedom and democracy. It's not a perfect system, but it's better than the alternatives. Unless you compare it to free countries with healthcare for everyone, education for all, low crime and prison rates, etc. Then we come out decisively on bottom. But no one makes those comparisons, with good reason. I have a hard time calling the country that imprisons the highest percentage of its citizens (in the world) a free country. Less authoritarian than some other countries, perhaps., but decidedly more so than some, as well.Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites JohnRich 4 #72 December 14, 2004 QuoteMy point is that some people hate Bush for exactly the same reason others hate bin laden. I have no problem noting significant distinctions between the actions of Bush and Bin Ladin, and judging which stands on the side of "right", and which on the side of "wrong". Just because some people hate someone, that doesn't make the person equal to a mass-murdering terrorist. Gosh, first you compared America to Hitler's death camps, and now you compare Bush to a mass-murdering terrorist. Here's some advice for you: when you're digging yourself into a hole and hit rock bottom - stop digging! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites markd_nscr986 0 #73 December 14, 2004 *** I don't identify myself by my country. Yeah, maybe not,but I but your passport doesMarc SCR 6046 SCS 3004 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites JohnRich 4 #74 December 14, 2004 QuoteComprende? I can attempt this in words of one sylable if that would help. Would you please? And talk more slowly too! Thank you for your patience and understanding. Oh, by the way, you misspelled "sylable". Even dumb old me figured that out. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites christelsabine 1 #75 December 14, 2004 QuoteQuoteRevolutionary War, War of 1812... The Mexican war of the 1840's... (And of course, Japan/Hawaii too.) QuoteI said "outside", means really from outside countries. And not between the states. Um, excuse me there Cristel, but do you believe that Britain, Mexico and Japan are part of the United States, rather than "outside countries"? I thought you were bragging about your high level of geographic knowledge... ______________________________________________________ Stop talking shit, JohnRich, You know what I mean. The "America" we know today, as a nation, never has been attacked from any country outside.(OK, before.....) That includes Brits, Mex, and do not talk about Japanese; That's a complete different story. Again, JohnRich: Do not get me started on education or something like that. You know exactly what I mean. Which country ever declared a war on the "US" before the WWs? Invaded the US? That's a feeling like talking to kids. But we are adults. dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 Next Page 3 of 6 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0
CornishChris 5 #70 December 14, 2004 Quote -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- In Reply To -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Europe is not Germany. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Germany sure looks like part of Europe to me. Analogy for you JR. New York State wasn't won by Bush. however you can't go round claiming Bush didn't win because: America is not New York State. Comprende? I can attempt this in words of one sylable if that would help. CJP Gods don't kill people. People with Gods kill people Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #71 December 14, 2004 Quote"Us" is anyone who cherishes freedom and democracy. It's not a perfect system, but it's better than the alternatives. Unless you compare it to free countries with healthcare for everyone, education for all, low crime and prison rates, etc. Then we come out decisively on bottom. But no one makes those comparisons, with good reason. I have a hard time calling the country that imprisons the highest percentage of its citizens (in the world) a free country. Less authoritarian than some other countries, perhaps., but decidedly more so than some, as well.Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #72 December 14, 2004 QuoteMy point is that some people hate Bush for exactly the same reason others hate bin laden. I have no problem noting significant distinctions between the actions of Bush and Bin Ladin, and judging which stands on the side of "right", and which on the side of "wrong". Just because some people hate someone, that doesn't make the person equal to a mass-murdering terrorist. Gosh, first you compared America to Hitler's death camps, and now you compare Bush to a mass-murdering terrorist. Here's some advice for you: when you're digging yourself into a hole and hit rock bottom - stop digging! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
markd_nscr986 0 #73 December 14, 2004 *** I don't identify myself by my country. Yeah, maybe not,but I but your passport doesMarc SCR 6046 SCS 3004 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #74 December 14, 2004 QuoteComprende? I can attempt this in words of one sylable if that would help. Would you please? And talk more slowly too! Thank you for your patience and understanding. Oh, by the way, you misspelled "sylable". Even dumb old me figured that out. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
christelsabine 1 #75 December 14, 2004 QuoteQuoteRevolutionary War, War of 1812... The Mexican war of the 1840's... (And of course, Japan/Hawaii too.) QuoteI said "outside", means really from outside countries. And not between the states. Um, excuse me there Cristel, but do you believe that Britain, Mexico and Japan are part of the United States, rather than "outside countries"? I thought you were bragging about your high level of geographic knowledge... ______________________________________________________ Stop talking shit, JohnRich, You know what I mean. The "America" we know today, as a nation, never has been attacked from any country outside.(OK, before.....) That includes Brits, Mex, and do not talk about Japanese; That's a complete different story. Again, JohnRich: Do not get me started on education or something like that. You know exactly what I mean. Which country ever declared a war on the "US" before the WWs? Invaded the US? That's a feeling like talking to kids. But we are adults. dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
