pajarito 0 #126 December 15, 2004 QuoteGood.. lets put the cast of Surivor in Burka's then since we don't want to offend anyone that might see skin as offensive. I dare say that the majority of Americans don't think that's necessary. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pajarito 0 #127 December 15, 2004 QuoteQuoteUntil it involves me. When it's broadcast publicly, it involves me and not just you. Correct, and you have the freedom to turn off the tv. This to me is different from the janet jackson tit because it was expectable and not out of the ordinary. You have the freedom to walk down the street with a blindfold on but that doesn't mean that I should have the right to lift up my kilt at you when you walk by. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #128 December 15, 2004 QuoteYou have the freedom to walk down the street with a blindfold on but that doesn't mean that I should have the right to lift up my kilt at you when you walk by. True, but now we are talking about unexpected behaviour again. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pajarito 0 #129 December 15, 2004 QuoteQuoteYou have the freedom to walk down the street with a blindfold on but that doesn't mean that I should have the right to lift up my kilt at you when you walk by. True, but now we are talking about unexpected behaviour again. It shouldn't be legal for that to be my normal thing either. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhreeZone 20 #130 December 15, 2004 QuoteI dare say that the majority of Americans don't think that's necessary. Ah... but how do you know? Was a national vote ever held to decide what was offensive or was just just up to a committee vote at the FCC?Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pajarito 0 #131 December 15, 2004 QuoteQuoteI dare say that the majority of Americans don't think that's necessary. Ah... but how do you know? Was a national vote ever held to decide what was offensive or was just just up to a committee vote at the FCC? What would you suggest? The FCC is the best we've got now. It has to be governed somehow. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #132 December 15, 2004 QuoteTrue, but now we are talking about unexpected behaviour again. The olympics had no warning that they were going to show what some might see as nude men. If they had, then I would have had no problem...Hell if we had known Janett was going to flash boob I would have been fine with that as well."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #133 December 15, 2004 Quote The FCC is the best we've got now. That's a kinda silly statement. No matter how fucked up they are, it would still be true.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pajarito 0 #134 December 15, 2004 QuoteQuote The FCC is the best we've got now. That's a kinda silly statement. No matter how fucked up they are, it would still be true. But you agree that there must be standards for public broadcasting? You're not one of these for no regulation, right? What do you suggest? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #135 December 15, 2004 Quote But you agree that there must be standards for public broadcasting? You're not one of these for no regulation, right? What do you suggest? I think the current standards are inadequate. I think that programming designed for children should be held to standards appropriate for children, but that all other programming should be held to little, if any, standard at all. Market forces alone should prevail. I do NOT understand why any other programming or viewing should be held to the standard of what upsets a few people at the Parents Television Council. http://www.mediaweek.com/mediaweek/headlines/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1000731656 I can certainly understand their concern when it comes to programming designed for children, but why the hell should they care about what is clearly NOT designed for children? Because they can't control the off switch on TVs in their own houses? That's rediculous.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,147 #136 December 15, 2004 QuoteQuote Most every house in the US has a TV. Very few houses are close enough to a museum that a kid could go on his/her own. Never lived in NYC or DC, I see. Or Chicago or SFO. Do they actually have museums in "red" states?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,147 #137 December 15, 2004 QuoteQuoteIt would be their right, but would they be right to deny kids an educational experience on account of the parents' hang ups? Thats for the parents to decide, not you or me. QuoteReally? I've been to museums and been surprised to see stuff I didn't know was there. Not my fault you didn't check. If you cared to find out I bet you could. The Field Museum in Chicago has over 20 million items in its collection. The Natural History Museum in NYC has more, as does the one in London. To be quite honest, no, I didn't go through the entire list before I took my kids to any of them. There is NOTHING in those museums that have a hang-up about my kids seeing. IMO anyone who has an issue with an anthropology or physiology display in a museum should seek professional help.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vallerina 2 #138 December 15, 2004 QuoteTo be quite honest, no, I didn't go through the entire list before I took my kids to any of them. My grandma even volunteered there for 10 years or something, and even she didn't know all of the items there, so don't feel too bad, John! I guess the museums weren't in walking distance for me when I was a kid. Luckily, public transportation got me there whenever I wanted to go.There's a thin line between Saturday night and Sunday morning Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,147 #139 December 15, 2004 QuoteQuoteWhy SHOULD anyone have a hang up about a human body? That strikes me as extremely wierd and unhealthy. So why aren't you walking around naked Kallend? Or at least partially naked? I do in places where I'll not get arrested for it. Civil disobedience is optional too.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #140 December 15, 2004 Note to self; Must invent eraser for mental images.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,147 #141 December 16, 2004 QuoteNote to self; Must invent eraser for mental images. Is that a sub-radar personal attack? Anyhow, Vallerina likes me... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #142 December 16, 2004 Quote Is that a sub-radar personal attack? Oh . . . certainly not. Sub rosa maybe . . .quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
feuergnom 29 #143 December 16, 2004 QuoteQuoteQuoteWhy SHOULD anyone have a hang up about a human body? That strikes me as extremely wierd and unhealthy. So why aren't you walking around naked Kallend? Or at least partially naked? I do in places where I'll not get arrested for it. Civil disobedience is optional too. so maybe we should all meet stark raving nude on one of these very obscene nude beaches in europe - that would be neutral ground. so we could find out if we are offended by older guys sloppy asses and dangling dicks or older womens sagging tits (or even the well trained youngsters sexual organs in full bloom) The universal aptitude for ineptitude makes any human accomplishment an incredible miracle dudeist skydiver # 666 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #144 December 16, 2004 QuoteThe olympics had no warning that they were going to show what some might see as nude men. If they had, then I would have had no problem...Hell if we had known Janett was going to flash boob I would have been fine with that as well. I stated before that with a little knowledge of both Greece and the olympics, that scene was really a given. Guess some people need warnings of the obvious, along the lines of freshly served coffee is hot and don't put your dog in the microwave. Janett was out of the expected pattern, though I still don't really have a problem with it. I have to laugh about all these people who were outraged......after they searched for the picture and the close up..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,147 #145 December 16, 2004 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteWhy SHOULD anyone have a hang up about a human body? That strikes me as extremely wierd and unhealthy. So why aren't you walking around naked Kallend? Or at least partially naked? I do in places where I'll not get arrested for it. Civil disobedience is optional too. so maybe we should all meet stark raving nude on one of these very obscene nude beaches in europe - that would be neutral ground. so we could find out if we are offended by older guys sloppy asses and dangling dicks or older womens sagging tits (or even the well trained youngsters sexual organs in full bloom) It wasn't many years ago that nudity was compulsory in the US - if you were in a typical US high school, swimming was a requirement, segregated by gender, and males did it naked. Ask your father if it applied to him. That practice endured into the '70s. You will see nudity if you wish to take a shower after sports activities or at many DZs. Since you are apparently offended easily, what's your solution - go unwashed?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
akarunway 1 #146 December 16, 2004 I guess the museums weren't in walking distance for me when I was a kid. Luckily, public transportation got me there whenever I wanted to go. ======================================Thank You. I 've been waiting for that response Seems to me the kids are to lazy or spoiled and just wanna stay home and watxh Nintendo or play violet video games nowadays. A crying shame. My mother to me to every art museum, every Smithsonian Institute exhibit. Indian burial grounds, you name it. No laying around the house for me. And even when we lived in small towns or the burbs she found something educational to doI hold it true, whate'er befall; I feel it, when I sorrow most; 'Tis better to have loved and lost Than never to have loved at all. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #147 December 16, 2004 QuoteI think the current standards are inadequate So do I, but we are opposite sides of that fence. QuoteMarket forces alone should prevail. Even if those market forces cause a MORE restrictive set of rules? Cause thats kinda how I see it working now. Networks do what they think they can get away with."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vallerina 2 #148 December 16, 2004 QuoteMy mother to me to every art museum, every Smithsonian Institute exhibit. My mom saw my interest in dance and worked with that. She took me to all sorts of different performances. She even took me to shows when I was a kid where people were (gasp) partially naked! Nude art can be beautiful. It's not porn. I learned that when I was about 6 years old.There's a thin line between Saturday night and Sunday morning Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
