Ron 10 #101 December 15, 2004 QuoteNever lived in NYC or DC, I see. Two cities versus ALL the rest? So you are trying to tell me that there are more homes within walking distance to a museum than are not?"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,116 #102 December 15, 2004 >So you are trying to tell me that there are more homes within >walking distance to a museum than are not? As far as I can tell, in LA, your next door neighbor is not within walking distance. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pajarito 0 #103 December 15, 2004 QuoteWhy SHOULD anyone have a hang up about a human body? That strikes me as extremely wierd and unhealthy. So why aren't you walking around naked Kallend? Or at least partially naked? I see you're nice and suited up with a bowtie no less in your avatar. If you find nudity acceptable to the point where you wouldn't care about it in public, why don't you demonstrate and take a stand for your beliefs. I'll bet that would make for an interesting Physics class. I'm glad I wouldn't have to endure it, though. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #104 December 15, 2004 QuoteSee you have to see both sides to be able to really be open. Trying to force your idea of what is acceptable is bad no matter what direction you come from. But, that is exactly what the FCC is doing. It is a (quasi) government organziation deciding what is good for you. QuoteHowever in this case it is easier to NOT allow questionable material on TV and allow parents who wish to let their kids see that stuff to get it in other venues. It is MUCH harder to prevent a child from seeing it if it is in the open. TV is not in the open. I was restricted in the amount of TV I could watch and my parents approved the programs I wanted to watch beforehand. these days it seems that parents want as little responsibility for themselves and want the rest of the world to be responsible for them. This isn't about giving the parents the freedom to decide, this is about parents not wanting to decide. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #105 December 15, 2004 QuoteAs far as I can tell, in LA, your next door neighbor is not within walking distance. Thats a joke right? Just checking, I can never tell anymore in here."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #106 December 15, 2004 QuoteBut, that is exactly what the FCC is doing. It is a (quasi) government organziation deciding what is good for you. The FCC is doing what the majority of Americans asked it to do. QuoteTV is not in the open. I was restricted in the amount of TV I could watch and my parents approved the programs I wanted to watch beforehand. these days it seems that parents want as little responsibility for themselves and want the rest of the world to be responsible for them. This isn't about giving the parents the freedom to decide, this is about parents not wanting to decide. Its also about not pushing your ideals onto others. If the majority does not want it, then its done. And the majority does not want it, or it would not be abig deal. Its how our system works."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #107 December 15, 2004 QuoteThe FCC is doing what the majority of Americans asked it to do. So, you are okay with giving freedoms away just as long as 50% plus 1 agree with it? You say in one breath that you should be free to decide, but then condone a government agency to take it away. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #108 December 15, 2004 Quote The FCC is doing what the majority of Americans asked it to do. Uh? Really? I didn't realize these things were up for a vote.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhreeZone 20 #109 December 15, 2004 Ron, who should set the limits? If you ask a morman what they think the limits should be you will get an answer that is vastly different then if you asked a typical college student. In some Islam cultures seeing a womans face is unacceptible, should every test of public decency be held up against the population that is most easly offended or should it be more inthe middle? I can't tell you what porn is, but I can tell you want it is when I see it seems to be the standard being used. You have no idea what is allowed or not, until someone sees it then decides. Personally I find it horribly offensive to see linebackers and hockey players with out a shirt on, should I file an FCC complaint whenever the hockey season returns if in a fight a shirt gets pulled up on live TV and I'm offended?Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #110 December 15, 2004 QuoteSo, you are okay with giving freedoms away just as long as 50% plus 1 agree with it? Who is giving up freedoms? On the way home I can stop and go into a titty bar if I want. I pass by two X rated stores. Hell, I have two within 5 min of my work. Now as for the majority, thats how things work here....Or should. QuoteYou say in one breath that you should be free to decide, but then condone a government agency to take it away. No, I support the right of the majority to decide what they want,when, and where. Freedom does not mean you have to force others to see it your way."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #111 December 15, 2004 Quote -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Quote -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The FCC is doing what the majority of Americans asked it to do. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Uh? Really? I didn't realize these things were up for a vote. Well the government represents the populace. So in a way yes. Don't like it, try to change it. But don't you find it funny that you are OK with forcing your views on me, but not me forcing mine on you?"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,116 #112 December 15, 2004 >should I file an FCC complaint whenever the hockey season returns if >in a fight a shirt gets pulled up on live TV and I'm offended? Interesting side note - Rush Limbaugh recently used the word "dick" to refer to a penis on prime time radio. Think there will be any fuss there? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #113 December 15, 2004 QuoteNo, I support the right of the majority to decide what they want,when, and where. Freedom does not mean you have to force others to see it your way. IN these issues freedom to me means that I get to decide for me, not others get to decide for me. Your comparing paid activities with free content. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #114 December 15, 2004 QuoteRon, who should set the limits? The majority. QuotePersonally I find it horribly offensive to see linebackers and hockey players with out a shirt on, should I file an FCC complaint whenever the hockey season returns if in a fight a shirt gets pulled up on live TV and I'm offended? Sure feel free. It is what they are there for."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #115 December 15, 2004 QuoteThe majority. Then why are you complaining about it in your Christmas thread? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #116 December 15, 2004 Quote Two cities versus ALL the rest? No, just the easiest examples. The folks in Mitchell, South Dakota have a museum too and I'm pretty sure kids can walk there. It right on Main Street.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #117 December 15, 2004 Quote But don't you find it funny that you are OK with forcing your views on me, but not me forcing mine on you? Ron, I don't think anyone has ever forced a view upon you. Nor would I try. I am willing to share some interesting things I've noticed, but you're more than welcome to tune out if you choose.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #118 December 15, 2004 QuoteNo, just the easiest examples. The folks in Mitchell, South Dakota have a museum too and I'm pretty sure kids can walk there. It right on Main Street. How about all the kids that live in the suberbs of those cities? "OK not Mitchell, SD but LA and DC, NYC...? You still claim that there are more kids within walking distance to a museum than not? That sounds far fetched."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #119 December 15, 2004 QuoteRon, I don't think anyone has ever forced a view upon you. NSFW (if your company is just as stupid)? QuoteI am willing to share some interesting things I've noticed, but you're more than welcome to tune out if you choose. Do I not listen? I may not agree, but thats not the same."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #120 December 15, 2004 QuoteThen why are you complaining about it in your Christmas thread? In the Christmas thread it is a case of the majority being denied. BTW for the record I don't believe in religion, and I hate Christmas."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #121 December 15, 2004 Quote You still claim that there are more kids within walking distance to a museum than not? No Ron. You made the statement, "Very few houses are close enough to a museum that a kid could go on his/her own." I guess it depends on your definition of the words "very few".quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pajarito 0 #122 December 15, 2004 QuoteIN these issues freedom to me means that I get to decide for me, not others get to decide for me. Until it involves me. When it's broadcast publicly, it involves me and not just you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #123 December 15, 2004 QuoteNo Ron. You made the statement, "Very few houses are close enough to a museum that a kid could go on his/her own." I guess it depends on your definition of the words "very few". Sorry, lets go with majority."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhreeZone 20 #124 December 15, 2004 QuoteWhen it's broadcast publicly, it involves me and not just you. Good.. lets put the cast of Surivor in Burka's then since we don't want to offend anyone that might see skin as offensive. TV would be a hell of a lot better if thet did away with the broadcast and put everything on cable anyways. I still don't get how they are able to push a HDTV signal over analog equipment. The FCC also regulated that shortly you will need to have a digital converter to get Cable/Satalite tv. Will that be the end of broadcast?Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #125 December 15, 2004 QuoteUntil it involves me. When it's broadcast publicly, it involves me and not just you. Correct, and you have the freedom to turn off the tv. This to me is different from the janet jackson tit because it was expectable and not out of the ordinary. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
