FCC is out of control -- NSFW (if your company is just as stupid)

[SkyDekker 1,465]

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I understand the FCC and the other parents concerns....Do you?

No I don't. I wonder why those parents have obviously never taken their kids to a museum? I wonder why those kids obviously have no understanding of some of the oldest cultures in the world? I wonder why only in America has this come up as an issue? (I know you don't care about anybody but Americans, well unless you have to justify a war, but I still wonder why that is).

I certainly don't understand how a depiction of an ancient statue can be taken as even remotely erotic.

[pajarito 0]

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No I don't. I wonder why those parents have obviously never taken their kids to a museum? I wonder why those kids obviously have no understanding of some of the oldest cultures in the world? I wonder why only in America has this come up as an issue? (I know you don't care about anybody but Americans, well unless you have to justify a war, but I still wonder why that is).

I certainly don't understand how a depiction of an ancient statue can be taken as even remotely erotic.

You assume way too much.

[SkyDekker 1,465]

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You assume way too much.

I know, I shouldn't assume that if the parents had educated their kids, they would have understood. The rest of the world did.

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You assume way too much.

I know, I shouldn't assume that if the parents had educated their kids, they would have understood. The rest of the world did.

Yeah...the rest of the world is soooo much better off than the USA. Good luck on that one. Do you have children?

[Ron 10]

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I certainly don't understand how a depiction of an ancient statue can be taken as even remotely erotic.

Who said it was erotic?

I said it was inapropriate for the general public based on the publics ideals. There is a big difference.

"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

[Ron 10]

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I know, I shouldn't assume that if the parents had educated their kids, they would have understood. The rest of the world did.

Oh so only people outside of the US have a clue?

Why do you bother trying to understand a culture you hate so much?

"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

[SkyDekker 1,465]

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Yeah...the rest of the world is soooo much better off than the USA. Good luck on that one. Do you have children?

Don't have children, do have a child.

When it comes to attitudes towards alcohol, crime, drugs and sexuality much of the rest of the western world is a better place in my opinion.

[SkyDekker 1,465]

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Oh so only people outside of the US have a clue?

Why do you bother trying to understand a culture you hate so much?

I just wonder why only in the US this is an issue.

Do you have an answer to that other than I don't care?

[SkyDekker 1,465]

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Why do you bother trying to understand a culture you hate so much?

because I'd rather do that than invade and kill, even when their is no hatred involved. I have never in my life felt hatred for anybody.

[Ron 10]

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I just wonder why only in the US this is an issue.

Cause we as a whole are not as liberal as you.

You may call that bad, but I don't tend to see it that way.

"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

[SkyDekker 1,465]

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Cause we as a whole are not as liberal as you.

ah, yes because I represent the rest of the world and the rest of the world feels exactly like me...

So, you find it odd that the rest of the world didn't see this as a problem?

[pajarito 0]

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Don't have children, do have a child.

When it comes to attitudes towards alcohol, crime, drugs and sexuality much of the rest of the western world is a better place in my opinion.

Just curious. It seems like many of these "free-for-all" attitudes with regard to decency come from people without children. Not in your case, though.

Whatever your opinions are regarding the level of what’s appropriate or inappropriate (i.e. dicks hanging out or topless females in public), the “public” airwaves are as open to everyone these days as a statue in the middle of town. That’s why they’re regulated. Since some media show explicit sexual acts on their shows, would you be opposed to a statue depicting such acts in the middle of town for all to see? I don’t know how old your child is (say he/she is 6 like my daughter) but would you feel comfortable walking him/her past it since you’ve probably already discussed sexual intercourse with him/her? How about more perverted acts (i.e. prison sex on HBO’s OZ)? That’s “artistic” expression too. Would your child understand all that since you’ve explained it to them? Do you really think they’re capable of handling shit like that at their age? Sure, they’ll eventually be exposed to the concepts but don’t you think the parent should be able to determine when that is rather than them walking by a window downtown and catching a glimpse on the TV through a shop window? I’m just saying it’s not always a case of the parent not caring and letting the kid do whatever they want. Public airwaves are “public” and, therefore, must be regulated. I mean, just about anything is considered “art” by someone. The “free-for-all” attitude is not a good idea.

[SkyDekker 1,465]

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Whatever your opinions are regarding the level of what’s appropriate or inappropriate (i.e. dicks hanging out or topless females in public), the “public” airwaves are as open to everyone these days as a statue in the middle of town. That’s why they’re regulated. Since some media show explicit sexual acts on their shows, would you be opposed to a statue depicting such acts in the middle of town for all to see? I don’t know how old your child is (say he/she is 6 like my daughter) but would you feel comfortable walking him/her past it since you’ve probably already discussed sexual intercourse with him/her? How about more perverted acts (i.e. prison sex on HBO’s OZ)? That’s “artistic” expression too. Would your child understand all that since you’ve explained it to them? Do you really think they’re capable of handling shit like that at their age? Sure, they’ll eventually be exposed to the concepts but don’t you think the parent should be able to determine when that is rather than them walking by a window downtown and catching a glimpse on the TV through a shop window? I’m just saying it’s not always a case of the parent not caring and letting the kid do whatever they want. Public airwaves are “public” and, therefore, must be regulated. I mean, just about anything is considered “art” by someone. The “free-for-all” attitude is not a good idea.

I am certainly not a proponent of a free for all. I think you'll find that most western countries have systems in place to regulate their media, specifially visual media. The question is the degree.

I don't think that a statue of two people fucking in a town square and the costume of an ancient statue in the opening ceremonies of the Olympics are the same.

As a parent and an adult I would have assumed that during the opening ceremonies of the Olympics in a country like Greece would have some sort of depiction of their ancient culture. It only makes sense if you have some knowledge of both ancient Greek culture and the olympics.

If I would have a problem with my child seeing a depiction of an nude ancient statue or something similar to that, I would not let him watch the opening ceremonies. To me it is my responsibility to govern my child, not the FCC's.

[pajarito 0]

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If I would have a problem with my child seeing a depiction of an nude ancient statue or something similar to that, I would not let him watch the opening ceremonies. To me it is my responsibility to govern my child, not the FCC's.

I agree that the parent needs to regulate what his/her child sees on TV and everywhere else. Apparently, however, most in the US do not think that a bunch of men standing around with their dicks hanging out is appropriate for everyone on the public airwaves. Even if it is Greek culture. I personally have no problem with it and I can appreciate Greek culture. I practically lived with the Greek Army contingent in Kosovo for 6 months. However, I don't think my 6 year old is ready for some of that. I'll explain when I think it's appropriate. So, we just disagree on the level of regulation but we agree that it must be regulated by the government. I can live with that. Many here, however, don't believe in regulation at all (i.e. I think PhillyKev). I think that's ridiculous.

[Ron 10]

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Just curious. It seems like many of these "free-for-all" attitudes with regard to decency come from people without children. Not in your case, though.

To be honest I think he only has one, and it is not very old...Like still a todler

Please correct me if I am wrong.

"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

[kallend 2,147]

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Just curious. It seems like many of these "free-for-all" attitudes with regard to decency come from people without children. Not in your case, though.

To be honest I think he only has one, and it is not very old...Like still a todler

Please correct me if I am wrong.

I have raised 4 kids to adulthood. Our household had no hangups about nudity or the human form. My kids have all grown up to be productive citizens with stable relationships.

Why SHOULD anyone have a hang up about a human body? That strikes me as extremely wierd and unhealthy.

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[Zenister 0]

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Just curious. It seems like many of these "free-for-all" attitudes with regard to decency come from people without children. Not in your case, though.

To be honest I think he only has one, and it is not very old...Like still a todler

Please correct me if I am wrong.

I have raised 4 kids to adulthood. Our household had no hangups about nudity or the human form. My kids have all grown up to be productive citizens with stable relationships.

Why SHOULD anyone have a hang up about a human body? That strikes me as extremely wierd and unhealthy.

because they are Puritans, and nudity is Evil........

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[Ron 10]

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I have raised 4 kids to adulthood. Our household had no hangups about nudity or the human form. My kids have all grown up to be productive citizens with stable relationships.

Uh, didn't you tell me one of your kids was a guy that just wondered around trying to be in a band?

Now I know your SGT son in Korea seems to be a great source of pride.

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Why SHOULD anyone have a hang up about a human body? That strikes me as extremely wierd and unhealthy.

I'm not saying they should. However, I respect the rights of parents to raise their kids as they see fit.

My Granddad had a talk with me when I was about 11 or 12. He told me that the human form in itself was not erotic.

But I also respect the views of others who think it might be.

See you have to see both sides to be able to really be open. Trying to force your idea of what is acceptable is bad no matter what direction you come from.

However in this case it is easier to NOT allow questionable material on TV and allow parents who wish to let their kids see that stuff to get it in other venues. It is MUCH harder to prevent a child from seeing it if it is in the open.

In the end I respect the parents rights. If you want your kids to see that, it is easy to allow it.

If you don't, it is harder to prevent it.

"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

[kallend 2,147]

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I have raised 4 kids to adulthood. Our household had no hangups about nudity or the human form. My kids have all grown up to be productive citizens with stable relationships.

Uh, didn't you tell me one of your kids was a guy that just wondered around trying to be in a band?

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He's in a band. Just got back from Italy where the band was recording a CD. I believe they're off to England for a tour in February.

What would you think of a parent who didn't take the kids to a museum or art gallery because there might be nudity? Should museums have warning notices?

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[Ron 10]

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What would you think of a parent who didn't take the kids to a museum or art gallery because there might be nudity?

It would be the parents right not to take them.

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Should museums have warning notices?

Ah, and there is the difference. See the parents know what is in the museum, so they can refuse to let the kids go, go with them, or explain it all to them during or before the visit.

It is much harder to prevent a kid from watching something on public TV.

"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

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A public museum COULD have something they find offensive so they chose not to let their kids go.

Likewise public tv COULD have something offensive so they can choose not to let their kids watch tv.

Seems logical to me.

You can please some people some of the time, but you can't please all people all of the time. So, leave it to the people who can't be pleased to avoid what doesn't please them.

edit: spelling.

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[kallend 2,147]

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What would you think of a parent who didn't take the kids to a museum or art gallery because there might be nudity?

It would be the parents right not to take them.

It would be their right, but would they be right to deny kids an educational experience on account of the parents' hang ups?

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Should museums have warning notices?

Ah, and there is the difference. See the parents know what is in the museum,

[Ron 10]

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A public museum COULD have something they find offensive so they chose not to let their kids go.

Likewise public tv COULD have something offensive so they can choose not to let their kids watch tv.

Most every house in the US has a TV. Very few houses are close enough to a museum that a kid could go on his/her own.

"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

[quade 4]

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Most every house in the US has a TV. Very few houses are close enough to a museum that a kid could go on his/her own.

Never lived in NYC or DC, I see.

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The World's Most Boring Skydiver

[Ron 10]

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It would be their right, but would they be right to deny kids an educational experience on account of the parents' hang ups?

Thats for the parents to decide, not you or me.

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Really? I've been to museums and been surprised to see stuff I didn't know was there.

Not my fault you didn't check. If you cared to find out I bet you could.

"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334