Skyrad 0 #26 December 12, 2004 Just for the record......... Your not the only person on DZ.com that served.When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #27 December 12, 2004 Yea, I heard it was Killer that dobbed him in! When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,148 #28 December 12, 2004 Quote Just for the record.... It is not uncommon for soldiers to "kill" fellow soldiers that need help getting there.... It's been like that from the start of time and will always be that way.... Almost every soldier has had this talk with their fellow soldiers.... We just don't share it with those who don't understand it.... Killer..... 2/75 rangers I just don't understand the sentence. Either it was a justified killing, in which case he should not be punished at all, or it was unjustified murder, in which case 3 years is a slap on the wrist.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
killler 2 #29 December 12, 2004 The thing is the USA does not allow mercy killings.. That is why the charges against him... Three years is the least they could give him and make it look good to the outsiders... I never implyed that I was the only one who served in the services.... The "for the record" post was to the people with rose colored glasses, sitting at home drinking a glass of wine... About 5yrs ago, A pick-up truck hit a moose on the highway... I stopped to help... The moose had broken both front and rear legs on the right side... It was flopping around on the ground.... No one had a gun... So, I went to my truck and got a steel pipe and killed the moose by crushing it's skull.. The woman started crying and told me that she was going to report he for cruelty to amianls... The game warden thanked me when he got there... If I had used a gun would it be nicer? Or should I had waited for a vet to give the moose a pain killer and put him to sleep... Killer.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
slug 1 #30 December 12, 2004 Once someone asked the question the military had to come up with a answer they couldn't give the guy a walk (PR) so he got slapped. Any intell who turned the guys in R.I.P. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #31 December 12, 2004 Err.....Nice When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,148 #32 December 12, 2004 QuoteOnce someone asked the question the military had to come up with a answer they couldn't give the guy a walk (PR) so he got slapped. Any intell who turned the guys in R.I.P. Bad policy. This is what it looks like to a cynic (me) and probably to most Iraqis. American kills American - gets death penalty or life withour parole. American (Kevorkian) assists Americans commit suicide out of mercy. Gets 10 - 25 years. American kills Iraqi kid. Gets 3 years. How is that NOT the way it will be viewed? He should either have been acquitted, or got 10 - 25, IMO. 3 years is the worst possible outcome.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rickjump1 0 #33 December 12, 2004 Quote... Three years is the least they could give him and make it look good to the outsiders... That's what it's all about; making it look good to the outsiders. I wonder how many of our guys died protecting civilians? Nobody hears about that. Nobody hears about our guys dying while trying to retrieve one of our own or a weapon.Do your part for global warming: ban beans and hold all popcorn farts. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ChasingBlueSky 0 #34 December 12, 2004 As it turns out, one of the other soldiers in this mess is a friend of a friend. I was sent this link earlier in the week before this decision came down: http://www.petitiononline.com/as124/petition.html If you want it to be known that you want to really support our troops, sign it. This is the body of the email that was sent with it: As a Veteran myself, I can understand the travesty and heartbreak a soldier is challenged with when encountering the ruthlessness of war. Taking a life is a life changing experience in itself, that takes a lifetime of healing and forgiveness. Putting somewhat out of his misery when they are burned beyond recognition or shot beyond recognition can be a decision that only trained The Vietnam Veteran fought in an era, not a war. The USA never declared Vietnam as a war, only a conflict. The men and women who lost there lives from 1946-1974 during this Vietnam Conflict would tend to agree that Vietnam was a war!. It has always been my belief that Vietnam existed because if Political and Economic sanctions and issues our government created. This lack of USA support to our soldiers then and and now is still a reminder of how far removed we are from real life threatening issues our brave soldiers are faced with in Iraq. As Americans we have a responsibility to support our government, defend our freedom and take a personal responsibility to vote and voice our opinion to our Congressman, Senators, who we elected. I feel compelled to say that "We the People" have all the power, we just don't use it as effective as we should. Strength is in Unity, and "we the people" can make a difference on issues concerning Iraq, if we stand together. When our country asked our young soldiers to defend this great nation in Iraq, whether they believed in the war or not, they went! The USA has an obligation to support those members who serve in wartime theaters, and acknowledge the instant decisions our soldiers are faced with ,to protect their lives and the lives of their comrades. Our soldiers are trying to keep peace in a nation controlled by sadistic and evil rulers who don't care about the USA or our mission. Remember the people we are fighting who are ruthless and fear nothing. The Middle East and Iraq have been at war for thousands of years, I personally don't feel that fighting for Democracy in Iraq has a snowball in hell's chance of being accomplished without huge American life losses and financial strains on the American almighty economy. I cant defend Erik Anderson regarding his actions concerning the incident, because I'm not privy of the mission he was on, or the facts since I have not heard his side of the story, or the descion he has had to make at a split moments notice in a country that is plagued with terrorism. It would be next to impossible to identify the enemy and know who not to shoot. My heart and conscious tells me that soldiers who serve during these types of conditions should be given amnesty for making decisions that were beyond there control. Soldiers have a moral and humane obligation in life to reduce pain and suffering in certain conditions that are out of their control ,especially in a wartime arena. My thoughts and prayers are with all the families who must witness the lack of compassion our Government shows toward these types of situations. I will make a donation in support of this young man because he is a soldier in need of hope from the Americans who live far way from harms way. The message will be heard loud and far to future American Soldiers who may encounter similar situations. How do you think they will feel, knowing they could be incarcerated for doing their duty as a soldier and human being?_________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,116 #35 December 13, 2004 >The moose had broken both front and rear legs on the right side... Did you just compare a wounded moose to an Iraqi? Most people consider Iraqis human beings rather than animals, and most people treat humans and moose differently. As I recall, one of the revised reasons for the war is that Saddam Hussein had no regard for human life. We should not strive to be more like him. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites slug 1 #36 December 13, 2004 Hi CBS Can you find out from your buddy who turned the guy's in. R.I.P. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites killler 2 #37 December 13, 2004 Yes....All the same.... Hurt and in pain.... Was going to die.... Helping the end come fast and end the suffering.... People like to make the same thing look/sound different.... Killing is killing.... Stick a knife in somebody or drop a H-bomb.... The end is the same, You just get bloody when your doing the knifing... Death is death.... killer... 2/75 rangers Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,116 #38 December 13, 2004 >Yes....All the same.... Hurt and in pain.... Was going to die.. Hmm. At the DZ's I jump at, we try to keep people hurt/in pain alive even if we thing they're going to die. People didn't think Molly was going to make it; fortunately she did (and fortunately no one mistook her for an injured moose.) Maybe we should give S+TA's .38's so they can put injured hookturners out of their misery - hey, they signed the waiver! And everyone knows a hookturner's not going to stay off the leg until it heals anyway. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Botellines 0 #39 December 13, 2004 If i have understood correctly those articles pretty much say that U.S soldiers for the sacrifice athat are doing should not be held accountable for their actions, right? The way i see it, as Kallend has pointed out, is that that very same action, or crime, or decision, or whatever you want to call it, in the U.S would have cost him a much harsher sentence. However, crimes commited in Irak to iraki citizens are not being punished as hard as they should. Short of we only care about our guys, screw the rest. Maybe in other circumstances it is not clear wether the soldier did actually perceive a threat that justified his actions. In this situation it is clear the iraki was not a threat. IMO this soldier broke the american law and should be punished accordingly. anyeay this is an excerpt of the geneva convention. -------------------- 1. Persons taking no active part in the hostilities, including members of armed forces who have laid down their arms and those placed hors de combat by sickness, wounds, detention, or any other cause, shall in all circumstances be treated humanely, without any adverse distinction founded on race, colour, religion or faith, sex, birth or wealth, or any other similar criteria. To this end the following acts are and shall remain prohibited at any time and in any place whatsoever with respect to the above-mentioned persons: (a) Violence to life and person, in particular murder of all kinds, mutilation, cruel treatment and torture; (b) Taking of hostages; (c) Outrages upon personal dignity, in particular, humiliating and degrading treatment; (d) The passing of sentences and the carrying out of executions without previous judgment pronounced by a regularly constituted court affording all the judicial guarantees which are recognized as indispensable by civilized peoples. 2. The wounded and sick shall be collected and cared for. ---------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Botellines 0 #40 December 13, 2004 I don´t understand, are you saying that the fault is whoever turned them in? I would say the fault is whoever pulled the trigger. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites downwardspiral 0 #41 December 13, 2004 There is a possibilty the soldier saw an opportunity to be shipped back the US. You are right... he should have let the kid suffer.www.FourWheelerHB.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites freethefly 6 #42 December 13, 2004 QuoteSorry, my post may not have been as clear as it should. I think it is a extremely light condemn. No matter if the guy was an innocent bystander or a member from the insurgency, once he is wounded and disarmed and do not pose any threat, it is a murder to kill him. It was just an execution who has been punished only with three years of jail. A sentence in the line of abu-grahib etc, etc. Until the U.S military stops doing this short of things or the U.S judicial system starts punishing those acts as if the victim was american, no one will see the U.S as the "good guys" The real victim is the soldier who is put into a situation in where "right" or "wrong" is very blurred. An optimist in combat is someone who shoots at you all day an expects you not to kill him when he runs out of ammunition. Or, in this case, wounded. "Ever since man banded together for the laudable intention of killing his fellow man, war has been a dirty business" George S. Patton, Jr. When war is rife and danger nigh God and soldier is the nation's cry When war is done and wrong is righted Gods forgotten, the soldier slighted Author Unknown"...And once you're gone, you can't come back When you're out of the blue and into the black." Neil Young Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites slug 1 #43 December 13, 2004 QuoteI don´t understand, are you saying that the fault is whoever turned them in? I would say the fault is whoever pulled the trigger. Ok I'll try and explain. During the late 60's we were in the air force and flew with a guy who almost got in in serious trouble for shooting some VC who got onto the airfield and had bown the nose off three c-130's and his was next in line. My Buddy the FLT Engr and the co pilot killed the VC and jumped in the plane and took off. When they landed the MP's were waiting to arrest them because they killed the VC with hollow point bullets which is against the Geneva convention. The person who turned these guy's in for killing the enemy with hollow point bullets during a war was a army lieut who saw the bodies on the ramp and decided that wasn't killing fair Like a head shot is ok but a hollow pt isn't and the VC had satchel charges so if they didn't die quick they could still ignite the thing. In Iraq according to the story I read was the Guy who pulled the trigger had three choices. 1) Do nothing and listen to the iraqi scream while he burns to death. IMO not a nice way to go. From what I read the guy was traped in the wreckage. 2) Call 911 and wait until the fire is put out so the medics could try and save a dead man. 3) Or put the poor human being out of his extra 2 minutes of misery. a) The media has to do their job b) The iraqi's have to do what they think is right c) The guy who could hear the iraqi and smell and smell his burning flesh made a decision. So who reported the guy? a) That's their job b) maybe they didn't know what the options were. c) Some G.I. who thought the guy who pulled the trigger made the wrong decision. Is the G.I. who pulled the trigger being used to win the hearts and minds of the Iraqi's or set a example for the other troops so that they will wait for a offical decision from the chain of command (let the guy burn to death) We weren't there but the guy got a slap on the wrist what does that tell you? I don't second guess people that are in stressful war time situations. R.I.P. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites killler 2 #44 December 13, 2004 I think you're taking a "think" their going to die person and using the they "ARE" going to die statement.... Life is life, All the same.... Why do we humans think our life is any more important then other life? Because we say so? I think if you could talk to a dog he would think otherwise... This soldier did what he had to do.... Just like a sniper puts a bullet in someone 1000m out thats just sitting there having a smoke with a cup of coffee with a ak sitting 5 feet away.... That guy is not a threat to the sniper or anyone else at that time is he? There are no nice ways to fight a war.. So.... I eat meat and kill when it needs to be done... But, I don't believe human life is worth any more then any other life..... And if you haven't guessed it, I don't believe in god or any other story book tales..... With that said..... I'll leave this thread and move on..... We will never understand each others points of view..... Live and let live.... killer..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rehmwa 2 #45 December 13, 2004 QuoteI just don't understand the sentence. Either it was a justified killing, in which case he should not be punished at all, or it was unjustified murder, in which case 3 years is a slap on the wrist. I gotta agree with Kallend. I don't know if there are rules on mercy killing in the time of war. Likely 3 years is based on justified killing, but some kind of punishment was meeted out for PR purposes. Hard to tell what I'd do in the situation, some poor kid in pain dying with his guts hanging out, begging for someone to kill him rather than suffer or even get burned to death. But knowing this politically charged atmosphere I'd get fried for doing what seems the right thing at that time... The soldier pled guilty to a mercy killing, so he's likely an honest guy put in a tough situation. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites akarunway 1 #46 December 13, 2004 That is a tough one for sure. If I knew he was history I'd put him outta his misery friend or foe. I don't agree w/ this war but a soldier has to do what he has to doI hold it true, whate'er befall; I feel it, when I sorrow most; 'Tis better to have loved and lost Than never to have loved at all. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites AMax 0 #47 December 13, 2004 Quote This soldier did what he had to do ... Completely disagree. He made a wrong desision taking a human life in no-combat situation. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites pajarito 0 #48 December 13, 2004 QuoteQuote This soldier did what he had to do ... Completely disagree. He made a wrong desision taking a human life in no-combat situation. He may have made the wrong decision at that time but the whole damn thing is a "combat situation." That doesn't get turned on or shut off while you're there. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites juanesky 0 #49 December 13, 2004 QuoteSorry, my post may not have been as clear as it should. This seems to be a trait on your posts. You should make it more clear, although many of us in here can see it coming from very far away...."According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites AMax 0 #50 December 13, 2004 QuoteHe may have made the wrong decision at that time but the whole damn thing is a "combat situation." That doesn't get turned on or shut off while you're there. Completely agree. My point was that he did not kill him in action by mistake. Apparently he had time to make a decision and his decision was bad. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 4 Next Page 2 of 4 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. 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ChasingBlueSky 0 #34 December 12, 2004 As it turns out, one of the other soldiers in this mess is a friend of a friend. I was sent this link earlier in the week before this decision came down: http://www.petitiononline.com/as124/petition.html If you want it to be known that you want to really support our troops, sign it. This is the body of the email that was sent with it: As a Veteran myself, I can understand the travesty and heartbreak a soldier is challenged with when encountering the ruthlessness of war. Taking a life is a life changing experience in itself, that takes a lifetime of healing and forgiveness. Putting somewhat out of his misery when they are burned beyond recognition or shot beyond recognition can be a decision that only trained The Vietnam Veteran fought in an era, not a war. The USA never declared Vietnam as a war, only a conflict. The men and women who lost there lives from 1946-1974 during this Vietnam Conflict would tend to agree that Vietnam was a war!. It has always been my belief that Vietnam existed because if Political and Economic sanctions and issues our government created. This lack of USA support to our soldiers then and and now is still a reminder of how far removed we are from real life threatening issues our brave soldiers are faced with in Iraq. As Americans we have a responsibility to support our government, defend our freedom and take a personal responsibility to vote and voice our opinion to our Congressman, Senators, who we elected. I feel compelled to say that "We the People" have all the power, we just don't use it as effective as we should. Strength is in Unity, and "we the people" can make a difference on issues concerning Iraq, if we stand together. When our country asked our young soldiers to defend this great nation in Iraq, whether they believed in the war or not, they went! The USA has an obligation to support those members who serve in wartime theaters, and acknowledge the instant decisions our soldiers are faced with ,to protect their lives and the lives of their comrades. Our soldiers are trying to keep peace in a nation controlled by sadistic and evil rulers who don't care about the USA or our mission. Remember the people we are fighting who are ruthless and fear nothing. The Middle East and Iraq have been at war for thousands of years, I personally don't feel that fighting for Democracy in Iraq has a snowball in hell's chance of being accomplished without huge American life losses and financial strains on the American almighty economy. I cant defend Erik Anderson regarding his actions concerning the incident, because I'm not privy of the mission he was on, or the facts since I have not heard his side of the story, or the descion he has had to make at a split moments notice in a country that is plagued with terrorism. It would be next to impossible to identify the enemy and know who not to shoot. My heart and conscious tells me that soldiers who serve during these types of conditions should be given amnesty for making decisions that were beyond there control. Soldiers have a moral and humane obligation in life to reduce pain and suffering in certain conditions that are out of their control ,especially in a wartime arena. My thoughts and prayers are with all the families who must witness the lack of compassion our Government shows toward these types of situations. I will make a donation in support of this young man because he is a soldier in need of hope from the Americans who live far way from harms way. The message will be heard loud and far to future American Soldiers who may encounter similar situations. How do you think they will feel, knowing they could be incarcerated for doing their duty as a soldier and human being?_________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,116 #35 December 13, 2004 >The moose had broken both front and rear legs on the right side... Did you just compare a wounded moose to an Iraqi? Most people consider Iraqis human beings rather than animals, and most people treat humans and moose differently. As I recall, one of the revised reasons for the war is that Saddam Hussein had no regard for human life. We should not strive to be more like him. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
slug 1 #36 December 13, 2004 Hi CBS Can you find out from your buddy who turned the guy's in. R.I.P. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
killler 2 #37 December 13, 2004 Yes....All the same.... Hurt and in pain.... Was going to die.... Helping the end come fast and end the suffering.... People like to make the same thing look/sound different.... Killing is killing.... Stick a knife in somebody or drop a H-bomb.... The end is the same, You just get bloody when your doing the knifing... Death is death.... killer... 2/75 rangers Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,116 #38 December 13, 2004 >Yes....All the same.... Hurt and in pain.... Was going to die.. Hmm. At the DZ's I jump at, we try to keep people hurt/in pain alive even if we thing they're going to die. People didn't think Molly was going to make it; fortunately she did (and fortunately no one mistook her for an injured moose.) Maybe we should give S+TA's .38's so they can put injured hookturners out of their misery - hey, they signed the waiver! And everyone knows a hookturner's not going to stay off the leg until it heals anyway. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Botellines 0 #39 December 13, 2004 If i have understood correctly those articles pretty much say that U.S soldiers for the sacrifice athat are doing should not be held accountable for their actions, right? The way i see it, as Kallend has pointed out, is that that very same action, or crime, or decision, or whatever you want to call it, in the U.S would have cost him a much harsher sentence. However, crimes commited in Irak to iraki citizens are not being punished as hard as they should. Short of we only care about our guys, screw the rest. Maybe in other circumstances it is not clear wether the soldier did actually perceive a threat that justified his actions. In this situation it is clear the iraki was not a threat. IMO this soldier broke the american law and should be punished accordingly. anyeay this is an excerpt of the geneva convention. -------------------- 1. Persons taking no active part in the hostilities, including members of armed forces who have laid down their arms and those placed hors de combat by sickness, wounds, detention, or any other cause, shall in all circumstances be treated humanely, without any adverse distinction founded on race, colour, religion or faith, sex, birth or wealth, or any other similar criteria. To this end the following acts are and shall remain prohibited at any time and in any place whatsoever with respect to the above-mentioned persons: (a) Violence to life and person, in particular murder of all kinds, mutilation, cruel treatment and torture; (b) Taking of hostages; (c) Outrages upon personal dignity, in particular, humiliating and degrading treatment; (d) The passing of sentences and the carrying out of executions without previous judgment pronounced by a regularly constituted court affording all the judicial guarantees which are recognized as indispensable by civilized peoples. 2. The wounded and sick shall be collected and cared for. ---------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Botellines 0 #40 December 13, 2004 I don´t understand, are you saying that the fault is whoever turned them in? I would say the fault is whoever pulled the trigger. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
downwardspiral 0 #41 December 13, 2004 There is a possibilty the soldier saw an opportunity to be shipped back the US. You are right... he should have let the kid suffer.www.FourWheelerHB.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freethefly 6 #42 December 13, 2004 QuoteSorry, my post may not have been as clear as it should. I think it is a extremely light condemn. No matter if the guy was an innocent bystander or a member from the insurgency, once he is wounded and disarmed and do not pose any threat, it is a murder to kill him. It was just an execution who has been punished only with three years of jail. A sentence in the line of abu-grahib etc, etc. Until the U.S military stops doing this short of things or the U.S judicial system starts punishing those acts as if the victim was american, no one will see the U.S as the "good guys" The real victim is the soldier who is put into a situation in where "right" or "wrong" is very blurred. An optimist in combat is someone who shoots at you all day an expects you not to kill him when he runs out of ammunition. Or, in this case, wounded. "Ever since man banded together for the laudable intention of killing his fellow man, war has been a dirty business" George S. Patton, Jr. When war is rife and danger nigh God and soldier is the nation's cry When war is done and wrong is righted Gods forgotten, the soldier slighted Author Unknown"...And once you're gone, you can't come back When you're out of the blue and into the black." Neil Young Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
slug 1 #43 December 13, 2004 QuoteI don´t understand, are you saying that the fault is whoever turned them in? I would say the fault is whoever pulled the trigger. Ok I'll try and explain. During the late 60's we were in the air force and flew with a guy who almost got in in serious trouble for shooting some VC who got onto the airfield and had bown the nose off three c-130's and his was next in line. My Buddy the FLT Engr and the co pilot killed the VC and jumped in the plane and took off. When they landed the MP's were waiting to arrest them because they killed the VC with hollow point bullets which is against the Geneva convention. The person who turned these guy's in for killing the enemy with hollow point bullets during a war was a army lieut who saw the bodies on the ramp and decided that wasn't killing fair Like a head shot is ok but a hollow pt isn't and the VC had satchel charges so if they didn't die quick they could still ignite the thing. In Iraq according to the story I read was the Guy who pulled the trigger had three choices. 1) Do nothing and listen to the iraqi scream while he burns to death. IMO not a nice way to go. From what I read the guy was traped in the wreckage. 2) Call 911 and wait until the fire is put out so the medics could try and save a dead man. 3) Or put the poor human being out of his extra 2 minutes of misery. a) The media has to do their job b) The iraqi's have to do what they think is right c) The guy who could hear the iraqi and smell and smell his burning flesh made a decision. So who reported the guy? a) That's their job b) maybe they didn't know what the options were. c) Some G.I. who thought the guy who pulled the trigger made the wrong decision. Is the G.I. who pulled the trigger being used to win the hearts and minds of the Iraqi's or set a example for the other troops so that they will wait for a offical decision from the chain of command (let the guy burn to death) We weren't there but the guy got a slap on the wrist what does that tell you? I don't second guess people that are in stressful war time situations. R.I.P. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
killler 2 #44 December 13, 2004 I think you're taking a "think" their going to die person and using the they "ARE" going to die statement.... Life is life, All the same.... Why do we humans think our life is any more important then other life? Because we say so? I think if you could talk to a dog he would think otherwise... This soldier did what he had to do.... Just like a sniper puts a bullet in someone 1000m out thats just sitting there having a smoke with a cup of coffee with a ak sitting 5 feet away.... That guy is not a threat to the sniper or anyone else at that time is he? There are no nice ways to fight a war.. So.... I eat meat and kill when it needs to be done... But, I don't believe human life is worth any more then any other life..... And if you haven't guessed it, I don't believe in god or any other story book tales..... With that said..... I'll leave this thread and move on..... We will never understand each others points of view..... Live and let live.... killer..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #45 December 13, 2004 QuoteI just don't understand the sentence. Either it was a justified killing, in which case he should not be punished at all, or it was unjustified murder, in which case 3 years is a slap on the wrist. I gotta agree with Kallend. I don't know if there are rules on mercy killing in the time of war. Likely 3 years is based on justified killing, but some kind of punishment was meeted out for PR purposes. Hard to tell what I'd do in the situation, some poor kid in pain dying with his guts hanging out, begging for someone to kill him rather than suffer or even get burned to death. But knowing this politically charged atmosphere I'd get fried for doing what seems the right thing at that time... The soldier pled guilty to a mercy killing, so he's likely an honest guy put in a tough situation. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
akarunway 1 #46 December 13, 2004 That is a tough one for sure. If I knew he was history I'd put him outta his misery friend or foe. I don't agree w/ this war but a soldier has to do what he has to doI hold it true, whate'er befall; I feel it, when I sorrow most; 'Tis better to have loved and lost Than never to have loved at all. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AMax 0 #47 December 13, 2004 Quote This soldier did what he had to do ... Completely disagree. He made a wrong desision taking a human life in no-combat situation. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pajarito 0 #48 December 13, 2004 QuoteQuote This soldier did what he had to do ... Completely disagree. He made a wrong desision taking a human life in no-combat situation. He may have made the wrong decision at that time but the whole damn thing is a "combat situation." That doesn't get turned on or shut off while you're there. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
juanesky 0 #49 December 13, 2004 QuoteSorry, my post may not have been as clear as it should. This seems to be a trait on your posts. You should make it more clear, although many of us in here can see it coming from very far away...."According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AMax 0 #50 December 13, 2004 QuoteHe may have made the wrong decision at that time but the whole damn thing is a "combat situation." That doesn't get turned on or shut off while you're there. Completely agree. My point was that he did not kill him in action by mistake. Apparently he had time to make a decision and his decision was bad. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
