SkyDekker 1,465 #26 December 13, 2004 Sigh, I forget everything is Clinton's fault. If you guys would spend half the amount of time that you do fighting between parties and pointing fingers to trying to actually improve, maybe you would be an actual superpower. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
slug 1 #27 December 13, 2004 QuoteSigh, I forget everything is Clinton's fault. If you guys would spend half the amount of time that you do fighting between parties and pointing fingers to trying to actually improve, maybe you would be an actual superpower. Affirmative (military lingo for we agree) R.I.P. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,116 #28 December 13, 2004 >I'd love to know the story behind that one. It is indeed a good story, and something of a parable on conservative talking-head morality: --------------------------------------- Kerik had 2 extramarital affairs at the same time, sources say BY RUSS BUETTNER New York Daily News Posted on Mon, Dec. 13, 2004 NEW YORK - (KRT) - Former New York Police Commissioner Bernard Kerik conducted two extramarital affairs simultaneously, using a secret Battery Park City apartment for the passionate liaisons, the New York Daily News has learned. The first relationship, spanning nearly a decade, was with city Correction Officer Jeannette Pinero; the second was with famed publishing titan Judith Regan. His affair with Regan, the stunningly attractive head of her own book publishing company, lasted for almost a year. . . . . The tumultuous Regan-Kerik romance carried on for months, through the writing, publication and promotion of his autobiography, "The Lost Son: A Life in Pursuit of Justice," which Regan's company published. --------------------------------------------- Now, Judith Regan is a frequent commentator on FOX News, where she often talks about morality: REGAN: Absolutely. I don't think there's any question. I mean, here's Hillary who's been standing by her man all these years and allowing him to behave in this reprehensible fashion. REGAN: You know, look at Monica Lewinsky talking about being suicidal, being on antidepressants, you know, gaining this huge amount of weight. This is clearly a woman who has suffered and is suffering inside because she has no depth of feeling and no morality whatsoever. And so, I decided, after being involved in this ugly negotiation, which I found morally reprehensible, that we should make fun of the whole thing, and we should make a comment about the amorality of everybody. REGAN: Well, partially, but it's also an "amorality tale" because the one thing that's missing from "Monica's Story" is, you know, deep thinking about her own amorality, which we saw -- was in ample evidence during the Barbara Walters love fest the other night. I mean, here's a woman who clearly knows a lot about sex, but knows nothing about right and wrong. Ms. REGAN: Well, I think that the social fabric of this country has become completely unraveled. I think the sexual revolution had a lot to do with that. I think that we are in terrible shape. I think we have a country where half the kids are being raised by single mothers. A lot of that has to do with male behavior. We look at the men in this country who do not want to be accountable to their wives, do not want to be accountable to their children and we have as a president a man who could be a symbol of everything that is good; he could be a wonderful husband, he could be a wonderful father. He is in a position of great authority to show this country and to lead this country in a way that is much more important than economically. Ms. REGAN: ...to this kind of fame, don't grow up thinking, You know, what I really want to do is to be a good citizen, to be loyal to my friends, to care about my neighbors, to get married, to be faithful to my husband, to have a family.' These are not the things that we're teaching. Ms. REGAN: Let me tell you something, my father has never cheated on my mother, my brothers have never treated cheated on their wives. I come from a big Italian Irish Catholic family and I have to say that for the most part, they have not cheated on each other. ---------------------------- And, to me, this is the ultimate expression of wingnut hypocrisy. Limbaugh railing on and on about how pathetic drug users are while abusing Vicodin. Regan going on and on about how immoral some people are while having sex with a married man. Sure, morals are great - as long as they're for other people. "Ban gay marriage? You bet! Who the hell do they think they are, weakening the sacred inviolate bond of marriage? Next thing you know, the commitement between man and woman will become a sad joke! Ban divorce? Now, wait a minute - I mean, _I_ might want a divorce someday." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #29 December 14, 2004 QuoteWhy don't we hear the same outcry of denouncements from the right against Kerik as their attacks on Clinton? OK, "Kerik is a bigger MFing Scumbag than Clinton and I'm glad he isn't getting the job" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #30 December 14, 2004 QuoteSigh, I forget everything is Clinton's fault. If you guys would spend half the amount of time that you do fighting between parties and pointing fingers to trying to actually improve, maybe you would be an actual superpower. So you support Kerik? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #31 December 14, 2004 Quote>but all Libs are Democrats. I'm a liberal, and I voted for Badnarik. I'm a registered independent politically. QuoteI thought the Libs believed a persons private life wasn't important and had no bearing on their ability to do their job? If this quote descibes your belief and you supported Clinton, then you just reinforced my original point. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
slug 1 #32 December 14, 2004 Affirmative Bottom line everything is politic's and the other party's at fault. No wonder a FUBAR As you were Left wing right wingliberalcons how can you expect the three different groups in Iraq to work things out. We can't do it in the US or SC. R.I.P. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #33 December 14, 2004 QuoteSo you support Kerik? Ahh yes, another logical conclusion, this site is full of them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #34 December 14, 2004 QuoteQuoteSo you support Kerik? Ahh yes, another logical conclusion, this site is full of them. Kind of like always thinking Clinton isn't to blame for many of the problems we have today including Intel problems, an unprepared military etc? Now I see. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #35 December 14, 2004 QuoteKind of like always thinking Clinton isn't to blame for many of the problems we have today including Intel problems, an unprepared military etc? Now I see. never said he isn't. I have however always wondered that if Clinton fucked up so big, and it was so apparent, why Bush didn't start changing it as soon as he became president. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #36 December 14, 2004 QuoteQuoteKind of like always thinking Clinton isn't to blame for many of the problems we have today including Intel problems, an unprepared military etc? Now I see. never said he isn't. I have however always wondered that if Clinton fucked up so big, and it was so apparent, why Bush didn't start changing it as soon as he became president. Because it took something like 9/11, which occured less than 8 months after Bush took office for anybody to realize just how bad things were. It's easy to sit back in an armchair in front of a computer and read newspapers and websites for information to bash anything. It's quite another to effect massive changes in something as complex as our Intel network. You don't just fire a few people and replace them with someone with the experience to do the job. You also have to make sure you aren't replacing the current Intel managers with someone less qualified. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
