quade 4 #1 December 11, 2004 http://apnews.myway.com/article/20041211/D86T6BF81.html Wow. I'd love to know the story behind that one. He had (or one would assume he had) been vetted by The White House and the guy certainly seemed like he wanted the gig only a few days ago.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bch7773 0 #2 December 11, 2004 that is kinda weird... didn't he just say a week or two ago that he was honored and happy to be offered it? MB 3528, RB 1182 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
slug 1 #3 December 11, 2004 Hi BCH Have you read about his background? Might have some excess baggage IMO has nothing to do with politic's, just couldn't pass the smell test. 41 R.I.P. R.I.P. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #4 December 11, 2004 This just in from Drudge; Quote Washington stunned by Friday night release of Bernard Kerik from consideration of homeland security secretary... Reports claim Kerik withdrew due to 'Nanny Problem'.. possibly had an illegal alien baby-sitting his kids and failed to properly report her taxable income... quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #5 December 11, 2004 And the AP story is expanding on the Drudge . . . http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&e=1&u=/ap/20041211/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/bush_homeland_securityquade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TomAiello 26 #6 December 11, 2004 If all of these top government types are using illegal labor, wouldn't it be better to just make it legal to employ foreign nationals? Total thread drift, but I just don't understand our rules on foreign workers at all.-- Tom Aiello Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com SnakeRiverBASE.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
markd_nscr986 0 #7 December 11, 2004 ***Washington stunned by Friday night release of Bernard Kerik from consideration of homeland security secretary... Reports claim Kerik withdrew due to 'Nanny Problem'.. possibly had an illegal alien baby-sitting his kids and failed to properly report her taxable income... There's go to be more to it than that.I think that's his convenient excuse to avoid more close scrutiny.The nanny thing in and of itself doesnt seem like enough to derail his appointment.Marc SCR 6046 SCS 3004 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,148 #8 December 11, 2004 Quote***Washington stunned by Friday night release of Bernard Kerik from consideration of homeland security secretary... Reports claim Kerik withdrew due to 'Nanny Problem'.. possibly had an illegal alien baby-sitting his kids and failed to properly report her taxable income... There's go to be more to it than that.I think that's his convenient excuse to avoid more close scrutiny.The nanny thing in and of itself doesnt seem like enough to derail his appointment. How quickly we forget. Zoe Baird: The attorney who was Clinton's first choice to be attorney general also became the first of a series of nominees to fall victim to the "nanny problem." She had not paid Social Security taxes for a housekeeper - an illegal immigrant - as required by law. Baird asked the White House to withdraw her nomination. -Lani Guinier: A Clinton classmate at Yale University Law School, she was Clinton's choice to head the Justice Department's civil rights division. She also had not paid taxes for a domestic worker. Kimba Wood: The nomination of the federal district judge to be attorney general never went forward after the disclosure that she had hired an illegal immigrant as a baby sitter. She had paid the required Social Security taxes and broke no laws.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #9 December 11, 2004 Quote If all of these top government types are using illegal labor, wouldn't it be better to just make it legal to employ foreign nationals? It's not just that she was a foreign national, but also that she appears to be in the country illegally. Since the DHS is in charge of, among other things, border security and keeping illegals out of the country to begin with, this was a show stopper. Had confirmation hearings gone forward, this would have been a fiasco for the Administration. As it is, it's still a pretty big set back in, what was up to this point, a pretty boring restaffing. Kerik was seen as kinda the "gem" in the new staff and is now . . . not.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
slug 1 #10 December 12, 2004 Quote***Washington stunned by Friday night release of Bernard Kerik from consideration of homeland security secretary... Reports claim Kerik withdrew due to 'Nanny Problem'.. possibly had an illegal alien baby-sitting his kids and failed to properly report her taxable income... There's go to be more to it than that.I think that's his convenient excuse to avoid more close scrutiny.The nanny thing in and of itself doesnt seem like enough to derail his appointment. Affirmitive. as you were but stay tuned R.i.P. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,148 #11 December 12, 2004 Maybe these cabinet wannabees should take advantage o fthe spam mail I received today: US GreenCard -Last 2 weeks Year 2004-(English/Deutsch/Espanol) The last 2 weeks to get the US Greencard Live and Work in the United States legally. The US Government is giving away 50,000 Green Cards. Click here: http://www.usaregister.3322.org... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
akarunway 1 #12 December 12, 2004 MORE >By Mark Hosenball Newsweek Updated: 12:49 a.m. ET Dec. 11, 2004Dec. 11 - It’s hard to know what was the last straw. Ever since President Bush announced on Dec. 3 that Bernard Kerik was his choice to replace Tom Ridge as Secretary of Homeland Security, official circles in Washington and New York have been buzzing with stories about Kerik’s potential liabilities. A hard-charging former New York City police commissioner, Kerik made many enemies and seemed to be dogged by minor scandals. He was a rags-to-riches story whose climb may have been a little too precipitous; in any case, his tangled personal life caught up with him. On Friday night, Kerik abruptly informed the White House that we was withdrawing from the nominating process, citing potential problems with the immigration and tax status of a former nanny. “I am convinced that, for personal reasons, moving forward would not be in the best interests of your administration, the Department of Homeland Security or the American people,” Kerik said in a letter to President Bush. But there may have been other issues at play. Kerik, who recently made millions in the private sector, once filed for personal bankruptcy as a New York cop. And just five years ago he was in financial trouble over a condominium he owned in New Jersey. More serious trouble than anyone realized: NEWSWEEK has discovered that a New Jersey judge in 1998 had issued an arrest warrant as part of a convoluted series of lawsuits relating to unpaid bills on his condo. The magazine faxed documents, including the arrest warrant, over to the White House around 6:00 p.m. Friday, asking for comment. Neither Kerik nor the White House had any immediate response. At 8:30 p.m., Kerik had submitted his letter to the president. Sources close to Kerik and the White House insist the arrest warrant was not the reason Kerik withdrew. The immediate cause was the nanny problem, the sources say, the same issue that took down Bill Clinton’s nomination of Zoe Baird to be Attorney General in 1993. Kerik explained to the White House that while he was preparing documents for his Senate confirmation hearings, he uncovered information “that now leads me,” he wrote, “to question the immigration status” of someone he had been employing as a housekeeper and nanny. For a period of time, Kerik reported, “required tax payments and related filings had not been made.” According to a Kerik associate, having this kind of nanny problem would have been untenable for the head of the Homeland Security department, which oversees the government's immigration agencies. The lawsuit relating to Kerik’s apartment stems from his failure to pay maintenance fees. A court found that Kerik owed about $5,000 on the unit. When Kerik failed to comply with a subpoena related to the unpaid bill, a judge on Aug. 24, 1998 issued a warrant for Kerik’s arrest. It is unclear whether the warrant was ever served or withdrawn. Court computer records indicate that the lawsuit remains open, but there was some confusion on Friday over the location of the full record. Kerik was also coming under close scrutiny for his windfall profit from stock options in Taser International, a company that makes high-voltage stun guns. He netted more than $6 million on the options, without ever having invested any of his own money. Kerik joined the Taser board after leaving his police commissioner’s job in 2002 . New York City was a purchaser of the stun guns, as was the Department of Homeland Security. Kerik sold the stock in early November, shortly before an Amnesty International report charged that there had been more than 70 Taser-related deaths since 2001. Kerik's biggest booster for the job was former New York City Mayor Rudy Guiliani. Last night, an aide to Guiliani told NEWSWEEK that Kerik had made "the proper judgment" to withdraw. With Kathryn Williams © 2004 Newsweek, Inc.I hold it true, whate'er befall; I feel it, when I sorrow most; 'Tis better to have loved and lost Than never to have loved at all. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
slug 1 #13 December 12, 2004 No comment I'm waiting for the "Rest of the Story" Nanny scam As you were 7sqrd-5=? R.I.P. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
flyhi 24 #14 December 13, 2004 I'm waiting for the "Rest of the Story" Quote You think this is part of it? The key word is, "simultaneously".Shit happens. And it usually happens because of physics. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,148 #15 December 13, 2004 QuoteI'm waiting for the "Rest of the Story" Quote You think this is part of it? The key word is, "simultaneously". I'm surprised Clinton didn't nominate him.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #16 December 13, 2004 QuoteQuoteI'm waiting for the "Rest of the Story" Quote You think this is part of it? The key word is, "simultaneously". I'm surprised Clinton didn't nominate him. I thought the Libs believed a persons private life wasn't important and had no bearing on their ability to do their job? Why don't we hear the same outcry from the Left in support Kerik at the same level as their defense of Clinton? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #17 December 13, 2004 QuoteI thought the Libs believed a persons private life wasn't important and had no bearing on their ability to do their job? Why don't we hear the same outcry from the Left in support Kerik at the same level as their defense of Clinton? I could care less if he got a million blowjobs from a million different women. it is the allegations of reprisals against those who tried to reprimand his fuck of the day, who would worry me. It is the illegal nanny combined with tax evasion that I would have an issue with, specially since his posts would be the primary responsibility with regards to illegals. So, in his case, it isn't his private life, it is how it has and will affect his public life.... Big difference. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,148 #18 December 13, 2004 QuoteQuoteQuoteI'm waiting for the "Rest of the Story" Quote You think this is part of it? The key word is, "simultaneously". I'm surprised Clinton didn't nominate him. I thought the Libs believed a persons private life wasn't important and had no bearing on their ability to do their job? Why don't we hear the same outcry from the Left in support Kerik at the same level as their defense of Clinton? WHo are these "Libs"?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #19 December 13, 2004 QuoteQuoteI thought the Libs believed a persons private life wasn't important and had no bearing on their ability to do their job? Why don't we hear the same outcry from the Left in support Kerik at the same level as their defense of Clinton? QuoteI could care less if he got a million blowjobs from a million different women. Would you care if a country like China knew a President had a weakness for women and tried to blackmail him? Would you care that such a blackmailing could cause embarrassment and loss of stature and respect worldwide just because a President acted like a 14 year old boy and couldn't control his "urges". Is that the level of maturity you believe a President should have? Quoteit is the allegations of reprisals against those who tried to reprimand his fuck of the day, who would worry me. Then you should read up on the reprisals and threats against many of the women Clinton had affairs with. Very shocking. QuoteIt is the illegal nanny combined with tax evasion that I would have an issue with, specially since his posts would be the primary responsibility with regards to illegals. But, but, I thought what one did in their private life had no effect on how they would perform their job? QuoteSo, in his case, it isn't his private life, it is how it has and will affect his public life.... Agreed, Kerik is the wrong guy for the job because of his personal life. Too bad he didn't lie about under oath. Then the ACLU, NOW etc would have jumped in and helped him. Big difference. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #20 December 13, 2004 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteI'm waiting for the "Rest of the Story" Quote You think this is part of it? The key word is, "simultaneously". I'm surprised Clinton didn't nominate him. I thought the Libs believed a persons private life wasn't important and had no bearing on their ability to do their job? Why don't we hear the same outcry from the Left in support Kerik at the same level as their defense of Clinton? WHo are these "Libs"? The same ones that defended Clinton. And just to stop you before you get started, all Democrats are not Libs, but all Libs are Democrats. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #21 December 13, 2004 QuoteQuoteQuoteI'm waiting for the "Rest of the Story" Quote You think this is part of it? The key word is, "simultaneously". I'm surprised Clinton didn't nominate him. I thought the Libs believed a persons private life wasn't important and had no bearing on their ability to do their job? Why don't we hear the same outcry from the Left in support Kerik at the same level as their defense of Clinton? Ummm, maybe because Clinton's job wasn't specifically to oversee control of blow jobs. Why don't we hear the same outcry of denouncements from the right against Kerik as their attacks on Clinton? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #22 December 13, 2004 Quote I thought the Libs believed a persons private life wasn't important and had no bearing on their ability to do their job? Why don't we hear the same outcry from the Left in support Kerik at the same level as their defense of Clinton? Two reasons . . . 1) Because it doesn't matter. Most folks were satisfied with (well me at least) the illegal immigration aspects of this. That was -more- than enough to keep him out of the spot. 2) Because that part of the story just broke today.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #23 December 13, 2004 Oh, I get it...he was talking about the affairs. Who cares? I don't. My problem is giving the job of securing our borders and immigration policy to a guy who violates those laws for his own greedy benefit. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,116 #24 December 13, 2004 >but all Libs are Democrats. I'm a liberal, and I voted for Badnarik. I'm a registered independent politically. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
slug 1 #25 December 13, 2004 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteI'm waiting for the "Rest of the Story" Quote You think this is part of it? The key word is, "simultaneously". I'm surprised Clinton didn't nominate him. I thought the Libs believed a persons private life wasn't important and had no bearing on their ability to do their job? Why don't we hear the same outcry from the Left in support Kerik at the same level as their defense of Clinton? Ummm, maybe because Clinton's job wasn't specifically to oversee control of blow jobs. Why don't we hear the same outcry of denouncements from the right against Kerik as their attacks on Clinton? Politic's again Bottom line the guy was a Bum the nanny storry was a smoke screen for the rest of the story. According to the congress people intervied on T.V. a FBI background check isn't initiated until after the appointee is selected. The FBI had just started scratching the service of the sewer when the when the unqualified canidate with a questionable past withdrew his name from consideration. The nanny story was a token execuse that would have done the least damage to the guy's reputation. R.I.P. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
