Ron 10 #151 December 14, 2004 QuoteAlright then, how about this. The war started in March 2003 - we are about to hit the two year mark. How much more time is needed to ramp up production? It is a process that starts as soon as they see a need and ends AFTER the war is done. QuoteMaybe we can pay a little less to Haliburton or refuse their jacked up prices so our troops can get what they need? Or maybe bills that are put infront of Congress could get passed instead of voted down to try and kill tax cuts?"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #152 December 14, 2004 QuoteYou keep talking about how hard it is to get the budget for that stuff. You know what makes it really hard? Never trying. Never even acknowledging that you need it. THAT is the responsibility of the administration. Your canidate voted for and against money for Iraq. It would be easier if Congress didn't try and tack on stupid things to bills...But thats not going to happen. It would be easier if Congress supported the troops....But I don't see that happening either. You want to blame someone, blame Congress."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #153 December 14, 2004 QuoteTwo years to produce some armor is just ridiculous. Look what the USA did between Dec 1941 and Dec 1943 for comparison. The US has the world's largest industrial capacity and the world's biggest defense industry. Even if there was an excuse for not being completely ready in March 2003 (which I dispute since that date was chosen at Bush's discretion), there is NO excuse for being ill equipped in Dec. 2004. Blame Congress. And if I recall, during WWII the American public was asked to endure rationing. I bet most Americans are not willing to do that now. Oh, they will claim they will, but they won't."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChasingBlueSky 0 #154 December 14, 2004 Quote Or maybe bills that are put infront of Congress could get passed instead of voted down to try and kill tax cuts? I'm thinking that if Bush stopped handing out "no bid" contracts they could get the Haliburton services at a competitive price. Bills getting shot down in Congress will always happen - Bush has direct control over who was getting the money allocated already. If the troops need to work with what they have, then Bush should have to do that as well. Learn Quickbooks and spur competitve pricing for contracts and they will have more money leftover._________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #155 December 14, 2004 QuoteIt would be easier if Congress supported the troops....But I don't see that happening either. You mean by giving them more armor? What do you mean by supporting the troops? You keep saying they have everything they should and nothing is wrong and we can't expect them to have any more or better equipment. And then say Congress should support the troops. What are you looking for? Yellow ribbons on the Capital? Best way to support the troops is A) Don't send them to die in an unnecessary war. B) If you do, give them all the protection possible. Congress and the administration have failed at both of those. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #156 December 14, 2004 QuoteI've never shot at it. Lightfighters aren't well equipped, by design, so we make the most of our equipment and supplies. We would never waste bullets by shooting at the armor. We shot at it to teach us it's limits. 5.56 bounced off with a nice scratch. 7.62 went right through. Since most bad guys seemed to be carrying an AK or some variant of an AK....Well it did not make us feel good."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #157 December 14, 2004 QuoteHave you ever studied Sun Tzu? 2500 years ago he wrote a very short book that has come to be known as The Art of War. It is the single most comprehensive work concerning military leadership, strategy and tactics. Today, probably ninety percent or more of that book is still applicable. It has NOT CHANGED all that much. The theory has not changed, but the practice has changed. The theorys are sound, but the battle plans of the last war don't work in this one. We were badly prepared for Korea, and Task Force Smith got its ass handed to them. We forgot the lessons of that war and went into Vietnam where we were trying to use conventional fighting theory's against small units....We got our ass handed to us there also. BTW the Britts got their asses kicked by trying to fight a bunch of farmers in the American war of Independance. So why the theory of Sun Tzu is good....It does not take into account new technology automaticly, and the war machine has never really accepted that you can't fight the next war the same as the last. Quotewithout popular support at home or abroad He had support at home. Congress gave it to him. And as for abroad...Well I don't care, and neither do most Americans. Go fish."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #158 December 14, 2004 QuoteCertainly knowing how to wear armor is totally irrelevant to this discussion. How armor is designed and made is very relevant. Procurement paperwork only gets you so far - the product has to be manufacturable and manufactured in the quantities and quality required How about the fact that I spent some time in an S4 shop? Part of my job was to procure equipment for training...(BTW the BN SGM RTO is part of an S4 shop). So I know something about the BS involved with trying to get somethingas simple as bullets for training. I can only imagine that trying to get something made for the whole Army is MUCH harder. But then again, you claimed to know more about it than me, or anyone else."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #159 December 14, 2004 QuoteI'm thinking that if Bush stopped handing out "no bid" contracts they could get the Haliburton services at a competitive price. You really need to quit buying into Kerrys ads....He lost. Bush just didn't "hand out" contracts. Besides show me one other company that could handle the job. QuoteBills getting shot down in Congress will always happen - Bush has direct control over who was getting the money allocated already. If the troops need to work with what they have, then Bush should have to do that as well. Learn Quickbooks and spur competitve pricing for contracts and they will have more money leftover. You clearly don't know how the process works."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #160 December 14, 2004 QuoteYou keep saying they have everything they should and nothing is wrong and we can't expect them to have any more or better equipment. Show me one place where I said nothing is wrong, or they have evrthing they should. ONE. I have said that it is normal to have this situation. That is a big difference."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,146 #161 December 14, 2004 QuoteQuote But then again, you claimed to know more about it than me, or anyone else. No, Ron. Not you or anyone else. Just mnealtx. I told you how and why I know it.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ChasingBlueSky 0 #162 December 14, 2004 Quote Bush just didn't "hand out" contracts. Then I suggest you use the Google News Search tool. He did hand out no bid contracts. QuoteYou clearly don't know how the process works. Then educate us on how the money is spent. From what I have seen too much money was paid for services to civilian contractors and those keeping the peace didn't get enough money. Bush has shown he has no ablility to manage finite resources. But please, feel free to educate us all._________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Ron 10 #163 December 14, 2004 QuoteThen I suggest you use the Google News Search tool. He did hand out no bid contracts. You still have not named one other company that could handle the contracts."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mnealtx 0 #164 December 14, 2004 QuoteQuoteQuote But then again, you claimed to know more about it than me, or anyone else. No, Ron. Not you or anyone else. Just mnealtx. I told you how and why I know it. Actually, YOU are the one that brought up the "armor expert" issue... you may wish to re-read my question before you start pointing fingers.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites PhillyKev 0 #165 December 14, 2004 QuoteQuoteThen I suggest you use the Google News Search tool. He did hand out no bid contracts. You still have not named one other company that could handle the contracts. Bechtel. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,146 #166 December 14, 2004 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuote But then again, you claimed to know more about it than me, or anyone else. No, Ron. Not you or anyone else. Just mnealtx. I told you how and why I know it. Actually, YOU are the one that brought up the "armor expert" issue... you may wish to re-read my question before you start pointing fingers. You challenged me - I told you. Simple really.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mnealtx 0 #167 December 14, 2004 QuoteI'm thinking that if Bush stopped handing out "no bid" contracts they could get the Haliburton services at a competitive price. What are your feelings about Clinton's no-bid contracts to Haliburton? Were those wrong too? Quote Bills getting shot down in Congress will always happen - Bush has direct control over who was getting the money allocated already. If the troops need to work with what they have, then Bush should have to do that as well. Learn Quickbooks and spur competitve pricing for contracts and they will have more money leftover. I think you're mistaking the Oval Office with some other office...Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mnealtx 0 #168 December 14, 2004 Quote You challenged me - I told you. Simple really. Really? All that education, and still unable to understand a simple question: [Quote]A question: We (in general) don't question you on physics problems, as we know you have the experience in that field. So, WHY do you persist in telling those of us who HAVE served in the military what the meaning behind everything the military does is? Care to tell me where I mention armor in there?Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Ron 10 #169 December 14, 2004 QuoteBechtel. Got proof? And as someone else asked, how did you feel about Clinton and HB no bid contracts? Did Cheney make those happen also?"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites PhillyKev 0 #170 December 14, 2004 QuoteAnd as someone else asked, how did you feel about Clinton and HB no bid contracts? Halliburton originally bidded on the Balkans, won the bid, then when it was time for renewal they got a no bid renewal because they were already entrenched in the Balkans. Different situation. They didn't have an infrastructure in place in Iraq. As far as asking me for proof, what do you want? Hey, I've got a neat way to prove it. Have them participate in a bidding and veting process. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mnealtx 0 #171 December 14, 2004 QuoteQuoteAnd as someone else asked, how did you feel about Clinton and HB no bid contracts? Halliburton originally bidded on the Balkans, won the bid, then when it was time for renewal they got a no bid renewal because they were already entrenched in the Balkans. Different situation. They didn't have an infrastructure in place in Iraq. As far as asking me for proof, what do you want? Hey, I've got a neat way to prove it. Have them participate in a bidding and veting process. If I recall correctly, they have already won a re-bid, haven't they?Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ChasingBlueSky 0 #172 December 14, 2004 Quote What are your feelings about Clinton's no-bid contracts to Haliburton? Were those wrong too? Yes they were wrong as well, and the ones that Bush Sr did as well. Why do "no bid" contracts? After the many stories that have come out of this war about them and the companies they have chosen, and the lack of concern for the lives of our soldiers, hopefully those in the White House have learned from their mistakes._________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,110 #173 December 14, 2004 >Really? All that education . . . . Mike, please stop attacking Kallend. Kallend, please remove the political message from your .sig . Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jcd11235 0 #174 December 14, 2004 I am well aware that the body armor I was issued will not stop an AK-47, and have never had to shoot at it. An engineer did the math and experiment for me.Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Ron 10 #175 December 14, 2004 QuoteI am well aware that the body armor I was issued will not stop an AK-47, and have never had to shoot at it. An engineer did the math and experiment for me. Well thats kinda like just taking someones word for it....Thats hardley the best way to learn. BTW it WILL protect you from 7.62, but it cannot be a direct hit. I KNOW what angle will deflect a bullet from an AK, since I shot at the armor WITH an AK47 in training. I consider it valuble training, and was glad I had it. You however, are free to just take someones word on it."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 Next Page 7 of 11 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. 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ChasingBlueSky 0 #162 December 14, 2004 Quote Bush just didn't "hand out" contracts. Then I suggest you use the Google News Search tool. He did hand out no bid contracts. QuoteYou clearly don't know how the process works. Then educate us on how the money is spent. From what I have seen too much money was paid for services to civilian contractors and those keeping the peace didn't get enough money. Bush has shown he has no ablility to manage finite resources. But please, feel free to educate us all._________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #163 December 14, 2004 QuoteThen I suggest you use the Google News Search tool. He did hand out no bid contracts. You still have not named one other company that could handle the contracts."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #164 December 14, 2004 QuoteQuoteQuote But then again, you claimed to know more about it than me, or anyone else. No, Ron. Not you or anyone else. Just mnealtx. I told you how and why I know it. Actually, YOU are the one that brought up the "armor expert" issue... you may wish to re-read my question before you start pointing fingers.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites PhillyKev 0 #165 December 14, 2004 QuoteQuoteThen I suggest you use the Google News Search tool. He did hand out no bid contracts. You still have not named one other company that could handle the contracts. Bechtel. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,146 #166 December 14, 2004 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuote But then again, you claimed to know more about it than me, or anyone else. No, Ron. Not you or anyone else. Just mnealtx. I told you how and why I know it. Actually, YOU are the one that brought up the "armor expert" issue... you may wish to re-read my question before you start pointing fingers. You challenged me - I told you. Simple really.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mnealtx 0 #167 December 14, 2004 QuoteI'm thinking that if Bush stopped handing out "no bid" contracts they could get the Haliburton services at a competitive price. What are your feelings about Clinton's no-bid contracts to Haliburton? Were those wrong too? Quote Bills getting shot down in Congress will always happen - Bush has direct control over who was getting the money allocated already. If the troops need to work with what they have, then Bush should have to do that as well. Learn Quickbooks and spur competitve pricing for contracts and they will have more money leftover. I think you're mistaking the Oval Office with some other office...Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mnealtx 0 #168 December 14, 2004 Quote You challenged me - I told you. Simple really. Really? All that education, and still unable to understand a simple question: [Quote]A question: We (in general) don't question you on physics problems, as we know you have the experience in that field. So, WHY do you persist in telling those of us who HAVE served in the military what the meaning behind everything the military does is? Care to tell me where I mention armor in there?Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Ron 10 #169 December 14, 2004 QuoteBechtel. Got proof? And as someone else asked, how did you feel about Clinton and HB no bid contracts? Did Cheney make those happen also?"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites PhillyKev 0 #170 December 14, 2004 QuoteAnd as someone else asked, how did you feel about Clinton and HB no bid contracts? Halliburton originally bidded on the Balkans, won the bid, then when it was time for renewal they got a no bid renewal because they were already entrenched in the Balkans. Different situation. They didn't have an infrastructure in place in Iraq. As far as asking me for proof, what do you want? Hey, I've got a neat way to prove it. Have them participate in a bidding and veting process. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mnealtx 0 #171 December 14, 2004 QuoteQuoteAnd as someone else asked, how did you feel about Clinton and HB no bid contracts? Halliburton originally bidded on the Balkans, won the bid, then when it was time for renewal they got a no bid renewal because they were already entrenched in the Balkans. Different situation. They didn't have an infrastructure in place in Iraq. As far as asking me for proof, what do you want? Hey, I've got a neat way to prove it. Have them participate in a bidding and veting process. If I recall correctly, they have already won a re-bid, haven't they?Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ChasingBlueSky 0 #172 December 14, 2004 Quote What are your feelings about Clinton's no-bid contracts to Haliburton? Were those wrong too? Yes they were wrong as well, and the ones that Bush Sr did as well. Why do "no bid" contracts? After the many stories that have come out of this war about them and the companies they have chosen, and the lack of concern for the lives of our soldiers, hopefully those in the White House have learned from their mistakes._________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,110 #173 December 14, 2004 >Really? All that education . . . . Mike, please stop attacking Kallend. Kallend, please remove the political message from your .sig . Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jcd11235 0 #174 December 14, 2004 I am well aware that the body armor I was issued will not stop an AK-47, and have never had to shoot at it. An engineer did the math and experiment for me.Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Ron 10 #175 December 14, 2004 QuoteI am well aware that the body armor I was issued will not stop an AK-47, and have never had to shoot at it. An engineer did the math and experiment for me. Well thats kinda like just taking someones word for it....Thats hardley the best way to learn. BTW it WILL protect you from 7.62, but it cannot be a direct hit. I KNOW what angle will deflect a bullet from an AK, since I shot at the armor WITH an AK47 in training. I consider it valuble training, and was glad I had it. You however, are free to just take someones word on it."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 Next Page 7 of 11 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. 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PhillyKev 0 #165 December 14, 2004 QuoteQuoteThen I suggest you use the Google News Search tool. He did hand out no bid contracts. You still have not named one other company that could handle the contracts. Bechtel. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,146 #166 December 14, 2004 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuote But then again, you claimed to know more about it than me, or anyone else. No, Ron. Not you or anyone else. Just mnealtx. I told you how and why I know it. Actually, YOU are the one that brought up the "armor expert" issue... you may wish to re-read my question before you start pointing fingers. You challenged me - I told you. Simple really.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mnealtx 0 #167 December 14, 2004 QuoteI'm thinking that if Bush stopped handing out "no bid" contracts they could get the Haliburton services at a competitive price. What are your feelings about Clinton's no-bid contracts to Haliburton? Were those wrong too? Quote Bills getting shot down in Congress will always happen - Bush has direct control over who was getting the money allocated already. If the troops need to work with what they have, then Bush should have to do that as well. Learn Quickbooks and spur competitve pricing for contracts and they will have more money leftover. I think you're mistaking the Oval Office with some other office...Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mnealtx 0 #168 December 14, 2004 Quote You challenged me - I told you. Simple really. Really? All that education, and still unable to understand a simple question: [Quote]A question: We (in general) don't question you on physics problems, as we know you have the experience in that field. So, WHY do you persist in telling those of us who HAVE served in the military what the meaning behind everything the military does is? Care to tell me where I mention armor in there?Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Ron 10 #169 December 14, 2004 QuoteBechtel. Got proof? And as someone else asked, how did you feel about Clinton and HB no bid contracts? Did Cheney make those happen also?"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites PhillyKev 0 #170 December 14, 2004 QuoteAnd as someone else asked, how did you feel about Clinton and HB no bid contracts? Halliburton originally bidded on the Balkans, won the bid, then when it was time for renewal they got a no bid renewal because they were already entrenched in the Balkans. Different situation. They didn't have an infrastructure in place in Iraq. As far as asking me for proof, what do you want? Hey, I've got a neat way to prove it. Have them participate in a bidding and veting process. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mnealtx 0 #171 December 14, 2004 QuoteQuoteAnd as someone else asked, how did you feel about Clinton and HB no bid contracts? Halliburton originally bidded on the Balkans, won the bid, then when it was time for renewal they got a no bid renewal because they were already entrenched in the Balkans. Different situation. They didn't have an infrastructure in place in Iraq. As far as asking me for proof, what do you want? Hey, I've got a neat way to prove it. Have them participate in a bidding and veting process. If I recall correctly, they have already won a re-bid, haven't they?Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ChasingBlueSky 0 #172 December 14, 2004 Quote What are your feelings about Clinton's no-bid contracts to Haliburton? Were those wrong too? Yes they were wrong as well, and the ones that Bush Sr did as well. Why do "no bid" contracts? After the many stories that have come out of this war about them and the companies they have chosen, and the lack of concern for the lives of our soldiers, hopefully those in the White House have learned from their mistakes._________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,110 #173 December 14, 2004 >Really? All that education . . . . Mike, please stop attacking Kallend. Kallend, please remove the political message from your .sig . Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jcd11235 0 #174 December 14, 2004 I am well aware that the body armor I was issued will not stop an AK-47, and have never had to shoot at it. An engineer did the math and experiment for me.Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Ron 10 #175 December 14, 2004 QuoteI am well aware that the body armor I was issued will not stop an AK-47, and have never had to shoot at it. An engineer did the math and experiment for me. Well thats kinda like just taking someones word for it....Thats hardley the best way to learn. BTW it WILL protect you from 7.62, but it cannot be a direct hit. I KNOW what angle will deflect a bullet from an AK, since I shot at the armor WITH an AK47 in training. I consider it valuble training, and was glad I had it. You however, are free to just take someones word on it."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 Next Page 7 of 11 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. 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mnealtx 0 #167 December 14, 2004 QuoteI'm thinking that if Bush stopped handing out "no bid" contracts they could get the Haliburton services at a competitive price. What are your feelings about Clinton's no-bid contracts to Haliburton? Were those wrong too? Quote Bills getting shot down in Congress will always happen - Bush has direct control over who was getting the money allocated already. If the troops need to work with what they have, then Bush should have to do that as well. Learn Quickbooks and spur competitve pricing for contracts and they will have more money leftover. I think you're mistaking the Oval Office with some other office...Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #168 December 14, 2004 Quote You challenged me - I told you. Simple really. Really? All that education, and still unable to understand a simple question: [Quote]A question: We (in general) don't question you on physics problems, as we know you have the experience in that field. So, WHY do you persist in telling those of us who HAVE served in the military what the meaning behind everything the military does is? Care to tell me where I mention armor in there?Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #169 December 14, 2004 QuoteBechtel. Got proof? And as someone else asked, how did you feel about Clinton and HB no bid contracts? Did Cheney make those happen also?"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #170 December 14, 2004 QuoteAnd as someone else asked, how did you feel about Clinton and HB no bid contracts? Halliburton originally bidded on the Balkans, won the bid, then when it was time for renewal they got a no bid renewal because they were already entrenched in the Balkans. Different situation. They didn't have an infrastructure in place in Iraq. As far as asking me for proof, what do you want? Hey, I've got a neat way to prove it. Have them participate in a bidding and veting process. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #171 December 14, 2004 QuoteQuoteAnd as someone else asked, how did you feel about Clinton and HB no bid contracts? Halliburton originally bidded on the Balkans, won the bid, then when it was time for renewal they got a no bid renewal because they were already entrenched in the Balkans. Different situation. They didn't have an infrastructure in place in Iraq. As far as asking me for proof, what do you want? Hey, I've got a neat way to prove it. Have them participate in a bidding and veting process. If I recall correctly, they have already won a re-bid, haven't they?Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChasingBlueSky 0 #172 December 14, 2004 Quote What are your feelings about Clinton's no-bid contracts to Haliburton? Were those wrong too? Yes they were wrong as well, and the ones that Bush Sr did as well. Why do "no bid" contracts? After the many stories that have come out of this war about them and the companies they have chosen, and the lack of concern for the lives of our soldiers, hopefully those in the White House have learned from their mistakes._________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,110 #173 December 14, 2004 >Really? All that education . . . . Mike, please stop attacking Kallend. Kallend, please remove the political message from your .sig . Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #174 December 14, 2004 I am well aware that the body armor I was issued will not stop an AK-47, and have never had to shoot at it. An engineer did the math and experiment for me.Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #175 December 14, 2004 QuoteI am well aware that the body armor I was issued will not stop an AK-47, and have never had to shoot at it. An engineer did the math and experiment for me. Well thats kinda like just taking someones word for it....Thats hardley the best way to learn. BTW it WILL protect you from 7.62, but it cannot be a direct hit. I KNOW what angle will deflect a bullet from an AK, since I shot at the armor WITH an AK47 in training. I consider it valuble training, and was glad I had it. You however, are free to just take someones word on it."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
