juanesky 0 #26 December 8, 2004 Maybe you need to work on your math. WWI did not occur 100 years ago"According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EBSB52 0 #27 December 8, 2004 QuoteMaybe you need to work on your math. WWI did not occur 100 years ago About 100 using rough numbers. Your neo-con twin wrote that the last person to be executed for dessertion was 50 years, when in reality it was 60.... so he was further off by percentage than was I. I'm not here to split hairs and avoid the facts, so I'm not calling it out as an issue. He was right as far as the last time this wonderful country killed one of its own (like it's so uncommon). Shall we talk Japanese-American internement, or just keep the math lesson going? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freethefly 6 #28 December 8, 2004 I do not support the war yet I also dispise those who run from the country of their birth in time of conflict. He is a traitor to the USA and should be treated as such."...And once you're gone, you can't come back When you're out of the blue and into the black." Neil Young Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GQ_jumper 4 #29 December 8, 2004 If I remember right death is still the maximum punishment for desertion in time of war. And as nice as that would be to see there are too many people who would be opposed to that, so it would never fly. just like the soldier who tossed a grenade in his commanders tent at the beginning of the war, he could've been executed immedeatly on order by his commander, but with all the media attention that would have been impossible.History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
slug 1 #30 December 8, 2004 QuoteI do not support the war yet I also dispise those who run from the country of their birth in time of conflict. He is a traitor to the USA and should be treated as such. I agree that the army deserter needs to be punished for violating the terms of his contract. He signed his name on the line so he need to do the time. What was he thinking when he joined the 82 airborne div I think their one of the first to go in any conflict. Since I'm in a different age group I don't have any first hand knowledge of how many of my friends would be eager to enlist to help out their country during this time of conflict. Any of you younger folks getting ready to enlist41 R.I.P. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tunaplanet 0 #31 December 8, 2004 QuoteAbout 100 using rough numbers. Your neo-con twin wrote that the last person to be executed for dessertion was 50 years, when in reality it was 60.... so he was further off by percentage than was I. I'm not here to split hairs and avoid the facts, so I'm not calling it out as an issue. He was right as far as the last time this wonderful country killed one of its own (like it's so uncommon). Shall we talk Japanese-American internement, or just keep the math lesson going? You were wrong. Period. No use in trying to explain it. The problem encountered is what else have you been wrong about? Makes all of your posts in the future shaky at best and needs to be held with a grain of salt. It's very similiar to saying Kerry will win the election guaranteed. Forty-two Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #32 December 8, 2004 Quote If I remember right death is still the maximum punishment for desertion in time of war. And as nice as that would be to see there are too many people who would be opposed to that, so it would never fly. just like the soldier who tossed a grenade in his commanders tent at the beginning of the war, he could've been executed immedeatly on order by his commander, but with all the media attention that would have been impossible. I don't think there has been an official declaration of war, hence it would be somewhat debatable whether you are at war. Hence, it would not be a desertion at war time. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheAnvil 0 #33 December 8, 2004 Michele Malkin weighs in on the worthless S.O.B. Clicky Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nacmacfeegle 0 #35 December 8, 2004 "Michele Malkin weighs in on the worthless S.O.B." She doesn't like him much either, does she?-------------------- He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me. Thomas Jefferson Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ianmdrennan 2 #36 December 8, 2004 QuoteThe problem encountered is what else have you been wrong about? Makes all of your posts in the future shaky at best and needs to be held with a grain of salt. So you must share an unexpected (for you) kinship with him then. Blues, IanPerformance Designs Factory Team Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EBSB52 0 #37 December 8, 2004 QuoteQuoteAbout 100 using rough numbers. Your neo-con twin wrote that the last person to be executed for dessertion was 50 years, when in reality it was 60.... so he was further off by percentage than was I. I'm not here to split hairs and avoid the facts, so I'm not calling it out as an issue. He was right as far as the last time this wonderful country killed one of its own (like it's so uncommon). Shall we talk Japanese-American internement, or just keep the math lesson going? The problem encountered is what else have you been wrong about? Makes all of your posts in the future shaky at best and needs to be held with a grain of salt. Oh brother, good luck. I thought it was about 100 years ago that the US murdered a person for not being willing to kill after being drafted, and it was 60. What does that prove? As opposed to attempting to dissect my assertions that cap pun has strong elements of Utilitarianism, Hedonism, and Communism, you defer to 100 years vs 60 years. It is you, my friend, that appears to be desperate to search for an argument. Truth is, I do want you to comb my writings to find fault in fact or error - pleae do. I won't stay online waiting tho. It's very similiar to saying Kerry will win the election guaranteed I don't believe I ever wrote that. Furthermore, to assert that an offhand recollection of when this wonderful murderous country killed one of its own at the order of a future US Republican President, versus a prognostication isn't even as close as apples/oranges. There is so much that I have written, please go back and comb it for factuality, or concede to being useless. "You were wrong. Period. No use in trying to explain it." And so was your neo-con lover. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EBSB52 0 #38 December 8, 2004 QuoteQuoteThe problem encountered is what else have you been wrong about? Makes all of your posts in the future shaky at best and needs to be held with a grain of salt. So you must share an unexpected (for you) kinship with him then. Blues, Ian No, Tuna doesn't make any cogent assertions, just rides the coattails of his neo-con mentors. Funny, all the in-depth writings I've posted in several threads, none of it touched by the small neo-con mind, yet when an event occurs 60 years ago and I recollect "about 100 years" and another guy recollects about 50 years and this somehow becomes an issue. All this does is to reinforce my assertions about small, tiny, infinitesimal neo-con mind. Thank you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pajarito 0 #39 December 8, 2004 Deep breath.... In with the good. Out with the bad. I'd really prefer not to be called Tuna's lover. I think both of you probably aught to relax. This discussion has decompensated. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #40 December 8, 2004 QuoteOk, you're right. I thought it was during WWI. And you were wrong. Quote "Supreme Allied Commander Dwight D. Eisenhower ordered that Slovik's execution be carried out to avoid further desertions in the late stages of the war." Hmmm, he's a murderer, let's make him president. He was a comander that punished a man within the legal limits. Quote"Slovik was court-martialed for desertion under fire and sentenced to death by firing squad. So this guy ran during a firefight. I would have shot him on the spot. QuotePardon me, I'm welling up - I just love America... Then move. It was legal according to the law."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AndyMan 7 #41 December 8, 2004 QuoteThen move. Funny, because this thread is about someone trying to do that very thing.... _Am__ You put the fun in "funnel" - craichead. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jdhill 0 #42 December 8, 2004 Quotebecause this thread is about someone trying to do that very thing.... No, its about someone from our armed forces who is trying to skip out on their legal obligations in a time of conflict... JAll that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. - Edmund Burke Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #43 December 8, 2004 QuoteFunny, because this thread is about someone trying to do that very thing.... yeah, but that guy should be shot. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EBSB52 0 #44 December 8, 2004 QuoteQuoteOk, you're right. I thought it was during WWI. And you were wrong. Quote "Supreme Allied Commander Dwight D. Eisenhower ordered that Slovik's execution be carried out to avoid further desertions in the late stages of the war." Hmmm, he's a murderer, let's make him president. He was a comander that punished a man within the legal limits. Quote"Slovik was court-martialed for desertion under fire and sentenced to death by firing squad. So this guy ran during a firefight. I would have shot him on the spot. QuotePardon me, I'm welling up - I just love America... Then move. It was legal according to the law. And you were wrong. And so was the other guy, but no one's here to point that out, which relegates the whole thing to nonsense. He was a comander that punished a man within the legal limits. And a governor, and the entire process, that kills kids for 1st degree murder is a person/process that is acting within the law (in like 37 states), so it is the system that we have a problem with. So this guy ran during a firefight. I would have shot him on the spot. You're a real human. Since you likely belive Jebus, do you think he would approve? Then move. It was legal according to the law. I would love to be able to. But I will still be here to annoy you Legal, so what, how about ethical/moral? It's legal to burn a flag, but I bet you get your panties in a bunch when you think of someone doing it, so quit your, "legal" rambling. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jdhill 0 #45 December 8, 2004 Quoteso it is the system that we have a problem with I think it is the systen -you- have a problem with. JAll that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. - Edmund Burke Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pajarito 0 #46 December 8, 2004 Who's Jebus? I don't know if I believe him or not... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #47 December 8, 2004 Quote In Reply To -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Then move. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Funny, because this thread is about someone trying to do that very thing.... Ah, but this guy signed up willing to get the benefits of being in the service; Health care, pay, food, college money..ect. And served just fine with no problems until he was asked to do what he signed up to do and did for 3 years. Then he ran. He signed a contract, he swore in. Last I checked a gun was not put to his head. He signed on the dotted line (It is actually not dotted) and reaped the benefits of the Army until the day he didn't want to play anymore. He then ran. That is a VERY large difference than a "draft dodger". This guy knew what he was doing, and did it willingly. Now he wants to be left alone to live his life....I would respect him if he refused to serve and stayed in the US and faced the repercussions of his actions like a man should. But he ran away. He should be returned and the Military should punish him in accordance with UCMJ."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freethefly 6 #48 December 8, 2004 QuoteQuoteThen move. ***Funny, because this thread is about someone trying to do that very thing.... No, this guy is a traitor same as Jimmy Massey, same as the new scum on the block Petty Officer Pablo Paredes. In Pablos case jail is not good enough. This scum should be made to walk the plank after hanging from the yardarm by his shriveled balls. Any person who turns their back on their own country have no rights. These people are the lowest form of human filth and should be looked upon with distain. They deserve death and nothing less. You are either with us or against us. Personally I prefer those who are with us."...And once you're gone, you can't come back When you're out of the blue and into the black." Neil Young Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites pajarito 0 #49 December 8, 2004 It's more than just a contract. It goes way deeper than that. It's not like a contract that you sign requiring you to pay off your car. It's an oath of allegiance. It's a promise, based on your character, that you'll stand with your fellow countrymen against an enemy. This guy is a coward. Plain and simple. I have no sympathy. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Ron 10 #50 December 8, 2004 QuoteAnd you were wrong. And so was the other guy, but no one's here to point that out, which relegates the whole thing to nonsense. You were both wrong. Happy?But you were off by 40%, and he was only off by 16%. Plus you used "100 years" to exagerate the amount of time, making it seem stupid. The other guy was just not good at history or math. QuoteHe was a comander that punished a man within the legal limits. And a governor, and the entire process, that kills kids for 1st degree murder is a person/process that is acting within the law (in like 37 states), so it is the system that we have a problem with. You have a problem with it, I do not. QuoteSo this guy ran during a firefight. I would have shot him on the spot. You're a real human. Since you likely belive Jebus, do you think he would approve? Why yes, I am a real human. I was also a soldier in the 82d, just like this guy. Who is Jebus? And if I were you, I would not be so sure I believe in Jesus either. QuoteThen move. It was legal according to the law. I would love to be able to. But I will still be here to annoy you Well OK, but I would like to point out that many people of different coutries can annoy me on here. QuoteLegal, so what, how about ethical/moral? It's legal to burn a flag, but I bet you get your panties in a bunch when you think of someone doing it, so quit your, "legal" rambling. Well the problem is we can only go with "Legal". It would be nice to have "moral" be involved. But most just want "legal" so I'll go with "Legal" till "Moral" is covered in the Constituiton."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 Next Page 2 of 7 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0
pajarito 0 #49 December 8, 2004 It's more than just a contract. It goes way deeper than that. It's not like a contract that you sign requiring you to pay off your car. It's an oath of allegiance. It's a promise, based on your character, that you'll stand with your fellow countrymen against an enemy. This guy is a coward. Plain and simple. I have no sympathy. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #50 December 8, 2004 QuoteAnd you were wrong. And so was the other guy, but no one's here to point that out, which relegates the whole thing to nonsense. You were both wrong. Happy?But you were off by 40%, and he was only off by 16%. Plus you used "100 years" to exagerate the amount of time, making it seem stupid. The other guy was just not good at history or math. QuoteHe was a comander that punished a man within the legal limits. And a governor, and the entire process, that kills kids for 1st degree murder is a person/process that is acting within the law (in like 37 states), so it is the system that we have a problem with. You have a problem with it, I do not. QuoteSo this guy ran during a firefight. I would have shot him on the spot. You're a real human. Since you likely belive Jebus, do you think he would approve? Why yes, I am a real human. I was also a soldier in the 82d, just like this guy. Who is Jebus? And if I were you, I would not be so sure I believe in Jesus either. QuoteThen move. It was legal according to the law. I would love to be able to. But I will still be here to annoy you Well OK, but I would like to point out that many people of different coutries can annoy me on here. QuoteLegal, so what, how about ethical/moral? It's legal to burn a flag, but I bet you get your panties in a bunch when you think of someone doing it, so quit your, "legal" rambling. Well the problem is we can only go with "Legal". It would be nice to have "moral" be involved. But most just want "legal" so I'll go with "Legal" till "Moral" is covered in the Constituiton."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
