ChasingBlueSky 0 #26 December 4, 2004 Quote yeah screw the country that gives me all my freedoms, i don't owe them shit!!! I have my own personal reasons I why I wouldn't serve in the military. I don't care if you don't understand or respect that. There are other ways to serve this country besides killing other humans. I have done plenty already in my life to give back and I am not done yet. And as far as a promise from GW goes - it holds as much water as the promise his dad made about taxes._________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
akarunway 1 #27 December 4, 2004 In Reply To How many times are you libs going to keep clinging to this draft myth. Democrats proposed it...got shot down in a landslide. The draft will never happen. =========================================================================== If I recall correctly the bill was worded to make a point. ALL men, women and students 18-25 are included. They knew it would never pass if the elite familys childrens asses were on the line. I'd bet my bottom dollar we seen new reworded bills for the draft in the coming yearI hold it true, whate'er befall; I feel it, when I sorrow most; 'Tis better to have loved and lost Than never to have loved at all. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tunaplanet 0 #28 December 4, 2004 Quoteyeah screw the country that gives me all my freedoms, i don't owe them shit!!! That tells me everything I need to know about you. Forty-two Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChasingBlueSky 0 #29 December 4, 2004 QuoteQuoteyeah screw the country that gives me all my freedoms, i don't owe them shit!!! That tells me everything I need to know about you. You may want to re read - that isn't what I said. Nice attempt however. In case you missed it this is what I said: QuoteThere are other ways to serve this country besides killing other humans. I have done plenty already in my life to give back and I am not done yet. To add to that - on a daily basis I help unemployed people in this city get additional career training for free so they can get back into the work force. Once they are done with the training we help with job placement as well and have a record of 3/4 placement. (And some of my advice on these forums helped one unemployed dz.com member develop job leads) Then there was the 10+ years of volunteer social services I did (starting when I was in 8th grade). To me, helping my fellow Americans domestically is just as important as helping Americans by sitting on the front lines. Also re read the part where I said I don't care if you don't respect or understand my point of view._________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
slug 1 #30 December 4, 2004 QuoteI want to be the first kid on my block with a confirmed kill. That supposed to be funny Mr kennedy Your unemployed, your country needs you, you agree with GW's policies why aren't you helping the GW and your country out!!!!! You already ahead of the learning curve, you've been carrying a gun or two for a long time for self protection and practice using it so why don't you put all your knowledge to some use. BTW the military has lots of jobs besides killing people you could be a pilot, computer jocky, medic mechanic, supply clerk, Can people (Men & Women) still enlist for two years? R.I.P. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
slug 1 #31 December 4, 2004 QuoteQuoteBring back the draft?? What's wrong with that? You say it like it's a bad thing or something. Nothing. If there is cause to go to war. That doesnt happen to be the case. Hi Stuffit I agreee with you however I'm a little disapointed with some of the outstanding/outspoken folks (leave politics out of it) who feel there is a need to go to war and would rather talk about their beliefs in SC rather than walk the walk No cussing, no joking no, no name calling just the way I see it. You have a reason for not enlisting, I never had a problem with the guy's (old fart) who split for canada they didn't believe in the war so they left rather than get drafted. MM look in the mirror boys and girls and what do you see? A person in a uniform or a person that's to busy. R.I.P. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tunaplanet 0 #32 December 4, 2004 QuoteI have done plenty already in my life to give back Like? Nothing compares to serving your country. From seeing what sort of person you are on these forums I know why you haven't/will join. Forty-two Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,120 #33 December 4, 2004 >They knew it would never pass if the elite familys childrens asses > were on the line. I'd bet my bottom dollar we seen new reworded > bills for the draft in the coming year An interesting observation. --------------------- Secret report details plan to draft medics By Robert Pear The New York Times WASHINGTON The Selective Service has been updating its contingency plans for a draft of doctors, nurses and other health care workers in case of a national emergency that overwhelmed the military's medical corps. In a confidential report this summer, a contractor hired by the agency described how such a draft might work, how to secure compliance and how to mold public opinion and communicate with health care professionals, whose lives could be disrupted. On the one hand, the report said, the Selective Service System should establish contacts in advance with medical societies, hospitals, schools of medicine and nursing, managed care organizations, rural health care providers and the editors of medical journals and trade publications. On the other hand, it said, such contacts must be limited, low key and discreet because "overtures from Selective Service to the medical community will be seen as precursors to a draft," and that could alarm the public. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChasingBlueSky 0 #34 December 4, 2004 QuoteQuoteI have done plenty already in my life to give back Like? Nothing compares to serving your country. From seeing what sort of person you are on these forums I know why you haven't/will join. I did an edit to enter some examples. You have a very myopic vision of service to your country. Often those that are part of a group have that limited view to make them feel better about their own choices. Like skydivers thinking only they know how to get the most out of life....while we do know how to enjoy it there certainly is more to living life to the fullest than just jumping from an aircraft or fixed object. I've found that those (but not all) that have served in the military often feel that by going to boot camp and spending a few years in the service is the only way to give back to the country. If you feel that way I doubt there is anything that anyone could say to change your opinion. Besides, you have given plenty of proof in these forums that you don't listen to others that don't share any of your opinions, so why should I bother to sway you? Do I feel that I have given back to this country as much as my family members that have served. Yes, without a doubt. The only difference is, I didn't get paid to do it._________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tunaplanet 0 #35 December 4, 2004 So what did you do to serve your country? All I've seen you do is trash the POTUS. So what have you done? Forty-two Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,120 #36 December 4, 2004 > From seeing what sort of person you are . . . . >You have a very myopic vision of service to your country. Both of you cut it out. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChasingBlueSky 0 #37 December 4, 2004 Quote> From seeing what sort of person you are . . . . >You have a very myopic vision of service to your country. Both of you cut it out. Sorry Bill, wasn't meant to be an attack._________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
slug 1 #38 December 4, 2004 Quote>They knew it would never pass if the elite familys childrens asses > were on the line. I'd bet my bottom dollar we seen new reworded > bills for the draft in the coming year An interesting observation. --------------------- Secret report details plan to draft medics By Robert Pear The New York Times WASHINGTON The Selective Service has been updating its contingency plans for a draft of doctors, nurses and other health care workers in case of a national emergency that overwhelmed the military's medical corps. In a confidential report this summer, a contractor hired by the agency described how such a draft might work, how to secure compliance and how to mold public opinion and communicate with health care professionals, whose lives could be disrupted. On the one hand, the report said, the Selective Service System should establish contacts in advance with medical societies, hospitals, schools of medicine and nursing, managed care organizations, rural health care providers and the editors of medical journals and trade publications. On the other hand, it said, such contacts must be limited, low key and discreet because "overtures from Selective Service to the medical community will be seen as precursors to a draft," and that could alarm the public. We had a room mate that took the gov't up on their offer to pay for her nursing school. she took the bait and had to payback the gov't with a year in Viet nam right out of nursing school and some more time in the U.S. Poor timing and a tough job right out of school Poor timing like the N.G. and reserve's. Draft Dr's and nurses? don't think so, maybe pay off their student loans if their already out of school, or send them to school on the gov't nickel with strings attached. If there's a national emergency in the U.S. HMO's contractors, dr'sut of retirement etc can do the job. the gov't needs to have a plan for everything R.I.P. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydiver30960 0 #39 December 4, 2004 Quote We should have a permanent draft where everybody serves at least 2 years. Dunno if this is a hijack, but... I seem to recall this is the system in other countries. I don't know much about it, honestly can't even recall what countries have this policy. I seem to recall that your service was after high-school but before college. The good for the country was that there was adequate military contribution, and the good for the citizen was that the high school brat got a couple years of discipline and time out of the nest before heading off to college. SO, seeing as this is an international forum: Is anyone here from a country with such a policy? What is the general attitude WRT it in your neck of the woods? Elvisio "DB cooper ain't got nothin' on me" Rodriguez Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AMax 0 #40 December 5, 2004 Quote Is anyone here from a country with such a policy? I am. And I still have very mixed fillings about the system. Unless the enemy is attacking your home contry and they need everyone on front line, military is not for everyone. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EBSB52 0 #41 December 5, 2004 QuoteHow many times are you libs going to keep clinging to this draft myth. Democrats proposed it...got shot down in a landslide. The draft will never happen. And this nonsense about being spread out too thin? Not remotely close to being true. The Dems threw it out there as a way to publicize the fact that the rich aren't going, just the poor. The Dems are against this action, so why would they want a draft. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeryde13 0 #42 December 5, 2004 just a few random comments..... -a solder who believes in what he is fighting for will kill 10 of his enimies. indentured servants won't give that same fight. - i'm pretty sure that if we were actually being attacked that most people in america would pick up a gun and fight. - people who invigorate the economy of a country are the ones serving their country thr most. - people who can't or won't be a part of the economy end up on welfare, in the army, working for the government, in gangs, homeless,as cops, etc etc. - the soldiers in iraq should be pationate about what they're doing because their lives depend on it, not ours. - why is it the people with the biggest mouths about the war and terrorists and commies don't go fight their enimies themselves. ie bush 1 & 2 , cheny, rumsfeld,etc.,etc. ........_________________________________________ people see me as a challenge to their balance Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JctRsp 0 #43 December 5, 2004 Quotepeople who can't or won't be a part of the economy end up on welfare, in the army, working for the government, in gangs, homeless,as cops, etc etc. I find this statement to be an utter lack of respect for people serving their country. Openly saying that cops or the military are incapable of helping the economy is a blatant lie. Look at how many soldiers have college degrees, or better yet look to the leaders of top corporations and see how many of them used to be in the military. I know my college for one produces many of the nation's finest leaders in the economic sector. You may want to rethink your argument about the people serving the country. Quotethe soldiers in iraq should be pationate about what they're doing because their lives depend on it, not ours. This too makes no sense. If our soldiers cared solely about themselves, why would they put their lives on the line for little pay? Fighting a war isn't something you do to save your life, it's to save the lives of those next to you and those back home. I try not to post on these forums, but this comment is very disrespectful to the people protecting our liberties, and I simply don't see how people can badmouth our troops for serving the nation. Now, I don't think the military is the only way to serve the nation, but it by no means is a deplorable method and serving in the military does not make you less of a person. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skycop 0 #44 December 5, 2004 Geez, I'm a civilian cop and in the military, I must REALLY suck!! I do look up to welfare moms and homeless people though............. "Just 'cause I'm simple, don't mean I'm stewpid!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rmsmith 1 #45 December 5, 2004 Quote- i'm pretty sure that if we were actually being attacked that most people in america would pick up a gun and fight. This is an insurgency, right? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeryde13 0 #46 December 5, 2004 don't mean to sound like that ..for alot of people the choices aren't so good. i know many people who joined the army for economic reasons alone never intending to fight. i feel that many solders end up being duped to put their lives on the line for someone elses agenda. but once they have to fight they must do so pasionatelty. if you are a solder it is your ass on the line ... not mine._________________________________________ people see me as a challenge to their balance Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeryde13 0 #47 December 5, 2004 just reading the rest of your letter. no serving in the military doesn't make you less of a person at all. nor does being on welfare or anything else. but, i don't feel threatened by iraq, thats all. no iraqi did a damn thing to me . my freedoms are more at risk by people right here in america. i think alot of the guys who want to go fight in iraq are getting caught up in the 911 hype thing. i'm no damn liberal or conservative. if your doing what you believe in more power to you....we all do what we've gotta do and we all get judged for it in the end.....peace._________________________________________ people see me as a challenge to their balance Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tunaplanet 0 #48 December 5, 2004 Quote i feel that many solders end up being duped to put their lives on the line for someone elses agenda. Common excuse out of many that people use for not joining and serving their country. Forty-two Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kennedy 0 #49 December 5, 2004 QuoteQuoteI want to be the first kid on my block with a confirmed kill. That supposed to be funny I guess you've never seen Full Metal Jacket. I was replying to Kallend's question.witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
slug 1 #50 December 5, 2004 QuoteHow many times are you libs going to keep clinging to this draft myth. Democrats proposed it...got shot down in a landslide. The draft will never happen. And this nonsense about being spread out too thin? Not remotely close to being true. Hi Tuna In case you missed my response to your post above here it is again QuoteHow many times are you libs going to keep clinging to this draft myth. Democrats proposed it...got shot down in a landslide. The draft will never happen. And this nonsense about being spread out too thin? Not remotely close to being true. Agree with everything but your opinion being spread to thin. Sounds like folks being extended, sent back for second tour, stop loss, inactive reserves, etc. Got any info to back up your claim about our troop strngth? How about counciling some of the young folks in SC about are the benifits of serving their country, regardless of their liberal/conservative beliefs. Like some of the old farts did. No wailing or flailing you don't have to reveal your rational why you and the highest level in the pentagon don't [url]think our soldiers aren't spread to thin in Iraq. Or are you saying that their will be a election in Iraq on Jan 30 2005 no matter what happens between now and the election. Do you think once a democraticly elected Iraqi gov't is in place that the coalition forces can leave after a "suitable transition period" and we can claim we successfully completed mission. I suspect that Iraq will end up in a civil war after the coalition leaves and we'll just put a spin on it and blame on the iraq's rather than ourselves for doing a half assed job due to a shortage of coalition troops. Lets support our troops once they return and their families this holiday season they will need it. R.I.P. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
