Stay of execution for Texas death row inmate

[SkyDekker 1,465]

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You asked for an answer and an answer I provide - not a dodge.

It is OK with me because I realize that no system of justice is perfect and there will always be a finite chance that an innocent will be convicted. Perfection is an impossibility. Weighing that against the fact that some crimes do, in my opinion, warrant death as punishment I think that chance worth taking because our justice system is extremely fair with regards to capital crimes. Perfect - no. Damned good? Absolutely.

Is the death penalty used too often - probably. Should it be abolished - no.

So, you would be perfectly comfortable finding out an innocent man or woman had been killed by the state, because you got some satisfaction out of some of the other killings?

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The silence is deafening....... where did all the neo-cons go?

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My my my - another nerve tweaked. FYI - I don't give a rat's ass what you think of any Constitutional issues I might bring up in the forums or elsewhere. If it troubles you in any manner, that's your problem with which to deal.

I am quite conservative and with the exception of billvon, riddler, rehmwa, and kallend doubt many here could match my knowledge of mathematics - your toes & 20 argument gives me quite a chuckle. Believe that all conservatives are stupid if it makes you feel better. Laughter is good for me. Then again whenever I hear that 'neo-con' sobriquet I always chuckle, so your post just makes me feel good all around.

This utilitarianism rant upon which you have embarked is simply hilarious. Think that if it makes you feel better - and please keep posting such things. Laughter is good for the soul.

Pleasant dreams.

Vinny the Anvil
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[TheAnvil 0]

No it would perturb the hell out of me and I resent the implication otherwise. I, however, accept the fact that perfection here is an impossibility and that for many robbing a man/woman of his/her freedom via imprisonment is a fate worse than death.

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Hi anvil

got to agree with you reading the posts in Sc is like watching a soap opera, jerry springer, and the sunday cartoons all together.

Lucky for the world SC is only BS in cyber space and don't mean anything to anyone.

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Pleasant dreams.

"My my my - another nerve tweaked."

I'm sorry, did I tweak your nerve?

"FYI - I don't give a rat's ass what you think of any Constitutional issues I might bring up in the forums or elsewhere. If it troubles you in any manner, that's your problem with which to deal."

It's not the issues; it's the reasoning. Even your heroes, Rhenquist, Scalia, Thomas and the sort would bow their head when reading your logic. I don't expect deep, philosophical logic when I talk/write to neo-cons, but I always give them the chance. See, the country's legal system was founded on some sort of organized reasoning, and the "rat's ass" variety of reasoning is unfortunately best left on posting boards. But I enjoy reading the rants of the uneducated; it entertains me!

"I am quite conservative ..."

You don't say...

"... and with the exception of billvon, riddler, rehmwa, and kallend doubt many here could match my knowledge of mathematics - your toes & 20 argument gives me quite a chuckle."

Ok, I'll concede the math knowledge/ability and you concede the legal/Constitutional knowledge. Of course you won't.

"Believe that all conservatives are stupid if it makes you feel better. "

Well, it doesn't; it's a sad reality in most cases.

"Laughter is good for me."

But hard to do in the straightjacket.

"Then again whenever I hear that 'neo-con' sobriquet I always chuckle, so your post just makes me feel good all around."

Good, that's why I'm here.

"This utilitarianism rant upon which you have embarked is simply hilarious. Think that if it makes you feel better - and please keep posting such things. Laughter is good for the soul."

This is where you acquiesce. If you had any substantive retort or anything of the cogent nature to assert, you would have. You obviously don't understand Utilitarian logic or the ramifications when you run a government under that system. You just want people dead because that is also good for your soul.

[TheAnvil 0]

You have obvious delusions of grandeur. Such an inane and senseless argument as you've presented is a source of amusement. You inanely and incorrectly assert that I praise utilitarianism, condone the murder of innocents, acquiesce to your inane assertions, and claim I'm wrong in many respects. Simply hilarious.

You apparently make yourself feel better by quoting some stuff about utilitarianism, making assumptions about what I think, and drawing conclusions from your own assumptions. If that makes you feel better - more power to you. That cackling you hear in the background is my laughter. I'm not impressed. Anyone accusing conservatives of being against the rights of individuals - especially as compared with the American left - is simply ignorant of the facts or lacks the courage to face them.

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Such an inane and senseless argument as you've presented is a source of amusement.

It is neither.
You gotta do better!

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[SkyDekker 1,465]

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You have obvious delusions of grandeur.

That's quite funny coming from you.

So, eventhough it would preterb you and you got all upset about an implication otherwise, you still think it is good to keep the death penalty, because sometimes the state kills the right person?

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That's your opinion - you're welcome to it. If you consider quoting garbage about a philosophy en masse, inferring that someone follows tha philosophy, and then writing about how via such an assumption someone's beliefs parallel communism to be brilliant, then you have a much lower standard of brilliance than I.

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If you consider quoting garbage about a philosophy en masse[....]

Sure, call it garbage rather than taking the arguments presented and disproving them with your arguments. Maybe you don't have any.

You're mentioning "standard of brilliance"... come on, show me some, bring it on, disprove Ed! At the moment you're only dodging. The way I see it the ball is in your half of the field.

Ich betrachte die Religion als Krankheit, als Quelle unnennbaren Elends für die menschliche Rasse.
(Bertrand Russell, engl. Philosoph, 1872-1970)

[billvon 3,119]

> You have obvious delusions of grandeur.

Enough with the personal attacks already!

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I apreciate your response. you are the only pro-cap-pun, brave enough to look at the issue and admit that you don´t care wasting an innocent life for a bloody revenge. Don´t take me wrong, i don´t think it is good, but it is much better than those who just dodge the question.

Let´s call things by its name. If the guy is guilty it is an execution, but if the guy is innocent it is a murder. a legal murder if you want, because your constitution allows it, but a murder nonetheless. He did nothing and met death, just like the shop owner who gets robbed or the bystander who gets runover by a drunk driver.

So, how would you compensate the family of the executied/murdered person since it would be a bit too late to compensate him. Would they be allowed to compensation? Please, include figures as a reference. How to measeure what a life is worth? Of course an apology is due? but who will take responsability for the mistake. Which take me to the next thought...
Shouldn´t we hold accountable of the terrible mistake someone? Maybe if the police had gathered more clues, or if his lawyer had been more competent... a jury of his peers really fucked up should we hold them accountable for their mistakes? If not we would be leaving a crime unpunished which is what cap-pun is all against.

I just read in the news that the "brain" behind the bombimg in the Atocha Station in Madrid has just been caught. Don´t you think that i don´t want him to die? however, it is remotely possible it wasn´t him. Only for that slim chance, i am willing to lock him in a cell and loose the key rather than kill him. And believe me, i could kill him with my bare hands.

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Who might they kill, other convictees

In Texas, the State must prove BRD that there is a probability that the defendant would commit criminal acts of violence that would constitute a continuing threat to society before the death penalty can be imposed.

The courts recognize that a person in prison is in a "society" because there are nurses guards, civilian personnel, clergy, ect.

So the State has to prove the defendant will be dangerous in prison before the death penalty can be imposed.

It's more than simple revenge.


As for "juveniles", I would cite the example of the DC sniper. I got no problem with the death penalty for a person who picks off as many people as possible before he gets caught, even if he is 17.
(Yeah, I know he didn't get the DP - I'm just saying.....)

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Actually we have executed at least 1 minor. It was Ohio in 1897

http://www.ohiodeathrow.com/

http://www.drc.state.oh.us/public/capital.htm

He was 17 and the first electrocuted in that state. Does this have contemporary application? No. But neither does a cite posted in another thread from a 1915 letter from Teddy Roosevelt, but a few conservatives fought for it and complained when I discounted it based on age relevance. So if that's relevant then so is this - pick a side.

This is an example of how egregious America can be, which is why I am posting it. Do I think we will ecer go back to this? No, but with this current conservative swing we could go back to executing people for rape or other types of murder besides 1st degree.