Good thing guns are banned in Canada

[billvon 3,131]

The show in San Diego was pretty good, I thought. Of course, alcohol and our proximity to the stage (second row) may have had something to do with it . . .

[PhillyKev 0]

I've never seen a bad show from second row...no matter who it is.

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Sure thing Bill. It would be nice though to be able to have discussions again without one or two trolls blasting you about totally unrelated topics that are weeks old just to try and prove that they're cool or some other strange motivation.

If this gets me banned so be it. But it has to be said. Someone should use some judgment about the general tone of certain posters and why they post on these forums. Bottom line, no one is more personally insulting to more people than tuna.

Now whats funny is this same kind of statement got me banned in another thread...But I bet it will not happen in this case.

"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

[billvon 3,131]

>Bottom line, no one is more personally insulting to more people than tuna.

It doesn't matter. You can't personally attack someone EVEN IF YOU BELIEVE THE ATTACK IS JUSTIFIED.

[storm1977 0]

Here is one from today:
http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/americas/03/03/canada.shooting.reut/index.html

CALGARY, Alberta (Reuters) -- Four Royal Canadian Mounted Police officers were shot and killed during a raid on a marijuana-growing operation in rural Alberta Thursday, in one of the bloodiest days in the history of the national police force, a senior official said.

A suspect in the shootout that erupted inside a large farm building that police were investigating also died when he turned his rifle on himself, said Bill Sweeney, commanding officer of the RCMP in Alberta.

"The loss of four officers is unprecedented in recent history in Canada. I'm told you have to go back to about 1885 in the RCMP history during the Northwest Rebellion to have a loss of this magnitude," Sweeney told reporters in the town of Mayerthorpe, about 140 km (90 miles) northwest of Edmonton.

"It's devastating."

The Mounties' names were not released. They were described as junior members of the force that has long been one of Canada's most famous national symbols.

In the late morning, the officers, armed with handguns, entered a large metal hut as part of a stakeout that began the night before when they came under fire from what police said was a man armed with a rifle.

In response, the force called in its SWAT team and major crime units and closed the airspace over the area. It requested the Edmonton city police department helicopter as well as armored personnel vehicles from Edmonton's armed forces base.

In mid-afternoon, police surrounding and stormed the building only to find the bodies of the officers and the suspect, Cpl. Wayne Oakes said.

The suspect may have entered to find the officers inside, then opened fire, Oakes said.

Police have been cracking down on illicit marijuana "grow-ops" that have sprung up across Alberta. Many of the operations targeted by the so-called police "Green Teams" are said to be connected with organized crime.

"The issue of grow-ops is not a ma-and-pa industry as we've been seeing for a number of years. These are major serious threats to our society and they are major serious threats to the men and women on the front line who have to deal with them," RCMP Commissioner Giuliano Zaccardelli said in Ottawa.

The federal government has angered police organizations and U.S. officials by planning to introduce legislation that would decriminalize marijuana possession.

It has been 120 years, during the long rebellion by Metis and Indians in western Canada, since so many national police officers have been shot and killed.

In 1963, four were killed in a plane crash in Yukon. In 1958, five died when their boat sank in Ontario.

In a statement, Prime Minister Paul Martin said: "Canadians are shocked by this brutality, and join me in condemning the violent acts that brought about these deaths."

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[JohnRich 4]

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The federal government has angered police organizations and U.S. officials by planning to introduce legislation that would decriminalize marijuana possession.

I guess dead cops from marijuana raids are preferable.

These are not deaths caused by guns, they are deaths caused by drug laws.

[DrewEckhardt 0]

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Here is one from today:
http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/americas/03/03/canada.shooting.reut/index.html

CALGARY, Alberta (Reuters) -- Four Royal Canadian Mounted Police officers were shot and killed during a raid on a marijuana-growing operation in rural Alberta Thursday, in one of the bloodiest days in the history of the national police force, a senior official said.

Good. It's nice to see the war-on-some-drugs opressors taking some casualties.

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Good. It's nice to see the war-on-some-drugs opressors taking some casualties.

My God. Are you serious?

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[dropoutdave 0]

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These are not deaths caused by guns, they are deaths caused by drug laws.

Absolutely.

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[Shell666 0]

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Here is one from today:
http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/americas/03/03/canada.shooting.reut/index.html

CALGARY, Alberta (Reuters) -- Four Royal Canadian Mounted Police officers were shot and killed during a raid on a marijuana-growing operation in rural Alberta Thursday, in one of the bloodiest days in the history of the national police force, a senior official said.

Good. It's nice to see the war-on-some-drugs opressors taking some casualties.

Tell that to the families and friends that lost their loved ones.

And you should probably do a little research on exactly WHAT transpired that day before you go shooting your mouth off about it being a "war-on-drugs". That wasn't the original reason they were raiding that farm (but of course the media zeroes in on that).

'Shell

[SkyDekker 1,465]

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I guess dead cops from marijuana raids are preferable.

These are not deaths caused by guns, they are deaths caused by drug laws.

That just shows you are ignorant of the facts.

[JohnRich 4]

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These are not deaths caused by guns, they are deaths caused by drug laws.

That just shows you are ignorant of the facts.

The referenced news articles said nothing to the contrary - it was a marijuana raid gone bad. And you provided nothing to the contrary either.

If you're going to call someone "ignorant", then you should at least try and support your allegation with some supporting evidence.

As it stands, your statement is baseless.

[SkyDekker 1,465]

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The referenced news articles said nothing to the contrary - it was a marijuana raid gone bad. And you provided nothing to the contrary either.

If you're going to call someone "ignorant", then you should at least try and support your allegation with some supporting evidence.

Since it happened in Canada, you may want to check out some Canadian news sources. They are in English, well most of them, so reading shouldn't be too much of an issue.

There is a world outside of the US, you'll even find that news reporting is usually better too. Guess that happens when your government doesn't make the news for you.

As it stands, your statement is baseless.

[billvon 3,131]

>That just shows you are ignorant of the facts.

Cut it out.

[SkyDekker 1,465]

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>That just shows you are ignorant of the facts.

Cut it out.

Okay, in line with the legal thread in SC, I'll rephrase.

That just shows many americans are ignorant of the facts.

[JohnRich 4]

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Since it happened in Canada, you may want to check out some Canadian news sources.

You're the one with a theory to promote - it's up to you to support it with some references. Don't expect everyone to go digging around on their own to try and find what you're looking at. How much trouble is it to put a URL reference in your message? If you aren't willing to even go to the tiny bit of trouble to provide your reference, then why should everyone else invest more time digging around blind? Since you are unwilling to provide anything, your theory remains unsupported, and we'll have to remain skeptical.

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There is a world outside of the US, you'll even find that news reporting is usually better too.

Oh yes, and criticizing those whom you wish to sway, is certainly an excellent technique for winning people over to your idea.

[Shell666 0]

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You're the one with a theory to promote - it's up to you to support it with some references. Don't expect everyone to go digging around on their own to try and find what you're looking at. How much trouble is it to put a URL reference in your message? If you aren't willing to even go to the tiny bit of trouble to provide your reference, then why should everyone else invest more time digging around blind? Since you are unwilling to provide anything, your theory remains unsupported, and we'll have to remain skeptical.

Allow me to help ... http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/ and read the news releases.

It started as a seizure of property (leased vehicles that weren't paid for), then they discovered the marijuana grow operation, then they obtained search warrants for that, then they went in and found stolen property. .

Also go to http://www.canada.com/search/results.html?searchfor=ROSZKO for more stories (some you have to be a subscriber for ... sorry)

You might want to read through these as you said the only story you read was the the link to the Calgary paper in this thread.

But then again, to the media, a drug raid sounds better than a vehicle being repossessed.

For some pictures from the Memorial to these officers, go to http://www.ualberta.ca/%7Epublicas/uofa/expressnews/memorial.html - it was amazing to watch the processional that stretched well beyond 6 blocks and lasted about 45 minutes.

'Shell

[SkyDekker 1,465]

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You're the one with a theory to promote - it's up to you to support it with some references. Don't expect everyone to go digging around on their own to try and find what you're looking at. How much trouble is it to put a URL reference in your message? If you aren't willing to even go to the tiny bit of trouble to provide your reference, then why should everyone else invest more time digging around blind? Since you are unwilling to provide anything, your theory remains unsupported, and we'll have to remain skeptical.

You are the one basing your theory on one news report. I think you are smart enough to understand that is never a good idea. Specially if the news source isn't even from the country it happened in.

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The officers attended to seize property with a bailiff. The property had not had payments paid for for several months. In the process of seizing the property, the grow was located. The area was sealed off and officers remained behind to maintain continuity so a warrant could be obtained to ensure all was in order legally. While the officers were at scene, the suspect returns. He snuck across the field in white camo (still snow up here) and shoots all four officers with a high powered rifle. Soon after other officers arrive and a shoot out begins. Suspect kills himself.

This is a man that terrorized a small rural community. He had a history of child abuse, drugs, assault and theft. He spoke openly of plots to kill police and regularly confronted other residents aggressivly. This man booby trapped his property and shot at passer-bys.

This information comes from residents, police and court reports that have been published since the incident.

This just wasn't some peaceful pot smoker. He was a violent, truly evil individual. Hell, his own father refused to go the the bastards funeral. Thats gotta tell you something.

As for the people who disregard the four PEOPLE that were murdered by this man...... the sheep loath the sheepdog until the wolf shows up.

[Breezejunky 0]

I was in Meyerthorpe a few months ago for a wedding of a very good friend of mine who grew up there. Every resident of that town – including the RCMP - knew all about this freak. Some of the stories she told me were so outlandish I would’ve found them hilarious – before this happened. She said used feel quite safe snapping back at this lecher because she had lots of older cousins in town “to protect” her….

One of them is on the RCMP. Her family and many friends still live there and they have been telling a very different story than the mangled bits and pieces I’ve tried not to pick up from the media. (It’s almost a relief to know that it’s not just a conspiracy against us skydivers.)

I wasn't going to say anything here but on Saturday I was a victim of some total freak in a road rage incident. (Thanks to a cell phone & 911 all is good) The OPP has a whole bunch of things they can charge him with. Now that all is fine and I have a funny story to tell I wonder if it was just some guy that had a REALLY bad day who just snapped and now things are going to get worse for him. If that's the case I'm not going to pursue things. But from I saw I couldn't help but think of this Meyerthorp creep and if I see a similar pattern I will get very involved!

This tragedy has very little to do with grow ops or chop shops. It’s more about the way our “justice” system has evolved through the ceaseless efforts of pedantic “human rights” lawyers and bleeding heart activists to protect the legal rights of an individual (menace) over the basic needs of a community to live in peace and comfort.

In a truly just society this maniac would’ve been euthanized 20 years ago.

I wonder what life would be like if a person simply dropped dead or evaporated once they’ve willfully caused more misery in the world than they can possibly make up for in the time they would’ve had remaining by spreading joy. This asshole probably would’ve been stillborn.