mnealtx 0
Make a deal with you - I'll petition the President to quit mentioning God in his speeches (thereby inhibiting HIS right to free speech) just as soon as you get Jesse Jackson / Al Sharpton / etc. out of politics....
Mike
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kallend 2,148
QuoteMake a deal with you - I'll petition the President to quit mentioning God in his speeches (thereby inhibiting HIS right to free speech) just as soon as you get Jesse Jackson / Al Sharpton / etc. out of politics....
I can't say that I like hearing any politician of any party invoking God to get votes.
Just because you may do something doesn't mean that you should do it.
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mnealtx 0
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I can't say that I like hearing any politician of any party invoking God to get votes.
Just because you may do something doesn't mean that you should do it.
Funny you should mention that... let me paste in the text of President CLINTON'S Thanksgiving Address from 1999:
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Well over three and a half centuries ago, strengthened by faith and bound by a common desire for liberty, a small band of Pilgrims sought out a place in the New World where they could worship according to their own beliefs. Surviving their first harsh winter in Massachusetts and grateful to a merciful God for a sustaining harvest, the men and women of Plymouth Colony set aside three days as a time to give thanks for the bounty of their fields, the fruits of their labor, the chance to live in peace with their Native American neighbors, and the blessings of a land where they could live and worship freely.
We have come far on our American journey since that early Thanksgiving. In the intervening years, we have lived through times of war and peace, years of poverty and plenty, and seasons of social and political upheaval that have shaped and forever changed our national character and experience. As we gather around our Thanksgiving tables again this year, it is a fitting time to reflect on how the events of our rich history have affected those we care about and those who came before us. As we acknowledge the past, we do so knowing that the individual blessings for which we give thanks may have changed, but our gratitude to God and our commitment to our fellow Americans remain constant.
Today we count among our national blessings a time of unprecedented prosperity, with an expanding economy, record low rates of poverty and unemployment among our people, and the limitless opportunities to improve the quality of life that new technologies present to us. We can give thanks today that for the first time in history, more than half the world's people live under governments of their own choosing. And we remain grateful for the peace and freedom America continues to enjoy thanks to the courage and patriotism of our men and women in uniform.
But the spirit of Thanksgiving requires more than just an acknowledgement of our blessings; it calls upon us to reach out and share those blessings with others. We must strive to fulfill the promise of the extraordinary era in which we live and enter the new century with a commitment to widen the circle of opportunity, break down the prejudices that alienate us from one another, and build an America of understanding and inclusion, strong in our diversity, responsible in our freedom, and generous in sharing our bounty with those in need.
NOW, THEREFORE, I, WILLIAM J. CLINTON, President of the United States of America, by virtue of the authority vested in me by the Constitution and laws of the United States, do hereby proclaim Thursday, November 25, 1999, as a National Day of Thanksgiving. I encourage all the people of the United States to assemble in their homes, places of worship, or community centers to share the spirit of fellowship and prayer and to reinforce the ties of family and community; to express heartfelt thanks to God for the many blessings He has bestowed upon us; and to reach out in true gratitude and friendship to our brothers and sisters in the larger family of humankind.
IN WITNESS WHEREOF, I have hereunto set my hand this twentieth day of November, in the year of our Lord nineteen hundred and ninety-nine, and of the Independence of the United States of America the two hundred and twenty-fourth.
But, I suppose when it's YOUR guy that does it, it's ok, hmm??
Mike
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kallend 2,148
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But, I suppose when it's YOUR guy that does it, it's ok, hmm??
What part of
"I can't say that I like hearing any politician of any party invoking God to get votes.
"Just because you may do something doesn't mean that you should do it."
was it that you failed to understand?
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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
I didn't vote for Clinton, and I don't like that he's using god to make a political statement either.
mnealtx 0
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But, I suppose when it's YOUR guy that does it, it's ok, hmm??
What part of
"I can't say that I like hearing any politician of any party invoking God to get votes.
"Just because you may do something doesn't mean that you should do it."
was it that you failed to understand?
Then why is it such a big deal now that a professed Christian is doing it? I'm sure if I went back and looked, Carter's Thanksgiving speech would probably reference God several times too..
Kallend - care to go back and answer my original question now that we're through with the detour?
Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
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I love you, Shannon and Jim.
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kallend 2,148
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But, I suppose when it's YOUR guy that does it, it's ok, hmm??
What part of
"I can't say that I like hearing any politician of any party invoking God to get votes.
"Just because you may do something doesn't mean that you should do it."
was it that you failed to understand?
Then why is it such a big deal now that a professed Christian is doing it? I'm sure if I went back and looked, Carter's Thanksgiving speech would probably reference God several times too..
Kallend - care to go back and answer my original question now that we're through with the detour?
Did DZ.com exist at the time of Carter's Thanksgiving speeches?
Thought not.
So where were you looking for my complaints about Carter's invokations of God?
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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
EBSB52 0
Quotewhat the heck bothers liberals so bad when the President (or any gov. official) references our creator? I'm puzzled
I have never heard him reference Mother Nature..... even if he did, so what????
EBSB52 0
QuoteQuoteI'm disturbed by religious fundamentalism no matter what guise it takes.
Yeah! Damn those Dead White Men (tm) anyway, for being religious and referencing God in their documents!! Who did they think they were????
I know this one..... it's too easy.... they were slave owners, rapists, and murderers. Before you get mad, you must agree it's true. They may have been the most honorable of the time, but they may not have been either.
Point here is, the government may not establish a religion, and when they push or in any way reference Christianity, they are. BTW, that's a pesky lil 1st Amend thingy....
EBSB52 0
QuoteHmm good catch. There are lots of individuals in our military that are native to foreign countries. I guess when they spill their blood to aid us, it really doesn't mean as much..
Right, and if we go all the way back (sarcasm) to WWII, we can talk about Japanese-American internment. If we do, we must then talk the 442nd, which was an infantry comprised wholly of Japanese-Americans that were interned, and they beat the crap out of Italy and I believe they liberated France almost single-handedly..... so..... yes, there are plenty of other races that die liberating America, but do the books clearly show this? Nooooooooooo.....
EBSB52 0
QuoteQuoteI'm disturbed by religious fundamentalism no matter what guise it takes.
The you should send me all of your money immediately. Almost every single item of cash you possess, contains the phrase "In God We Trust". I'll be happy to relieve you of this terrible religious fundamentalism which you are forced to endure. All for the sake of altruism, of course.
That's ok, I just shaprie mine out!!! Just jokin if anyone thinks I'm serious.....
mnealtx 0
QuoteQuoteQuoteI'm disturbed by religious fundamentalism no matter what guise it takes.
Yeah! Damn those Dead White Men (tm) anyway, for being religious and referencing God in their documents!! Who did they think they were????
I know this one..... it's too easy.... they were slave owners, rapists, and murderers. Before you get mad, you must agree it's true. They may have been the most honorable of the time, but they may not have been either.
Point here is, the government may not establish a religion, and when they push or in any way reference Christianity, they are. BTW, that's a pesky lil 1st Amend thingy....
Re-read the Amendment...that is NOT what it says, and is the point that I am debating with Kallend...
Mike
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Those who look around the world at the countries that have established religions should be grateful that the USA is not one of them.
I can't begin to imagine why so many Americans would want religion inserted into their government, when the evidence of history shows that it is a corrosive influence for both the religion and the government.
And where are we advocating inserting religion into the gov't? That would be a violation of the First Amendment - something the left seems to think means any MENTION of the word "God"...
Well, actually it is. A state-sponsored religion is one that a state representative endorses. If that representative is on his own time, maybe not so much, but when you get to the level of Pres, if you mention anything then you are endorsing it, especioally when giving adresses to the nation.
And again...please show how the President or any other member of the government mentioning God is against the First Amendment.
Here's the actual language, in case you need reminding:
And please, something other than "he IS the government", please - the argument is invalid on it's face, as you well know.
I didn't see any mention of "he is the government". I saw a statement that he is head of one branch of government, relating to an earlier post in which the insertion of religion in government in general was something to be avoided as bad for both, and unrelated to the specific language of the Bill of Rights.
Just because something is permitted doesn't necessarily mean that it's a good thing. I for one would like to hear Bush, Kerry, Clinton, etc. refrain from invoking God in all their speeches.