Iran Wants to Change Conditions of Freeze

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Iran Wants to Change Conditions of Freeze


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Nov 24, 7:49 AM (ET)

By GEORGE JAHN

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VIENNA, Austria (AP) - Iran is demanding that it be allowed to make an exception in its commitment to freeze all uranium enrichment activities so it can operate about about two dozen centrifuges, diplomats said Wednesday.

The Iranians have told the International Atomic Energy Agency - the U.N. nuclear watchdog - that they want to operate the centrifuges "for research purposes," the diplomats told The Associated Press.

They have asked the IAEA to exempt around 24 of the devices from the agency seals meant to ensure the enrichment program is completely at a standstill, one of the diplomats said.

The IAEA had no immediate comment. But another diplomat who is familiar with the agency said it was resisting the demand for an exemption.


The move comes on the eve of an IAEA board meeting that will examine Iran's compliance to international demands meant to reduce suspicions about its nuclear activities. Among them are call for a suspension of all enrichment and related activities - something Iran agreed to earlier this month in a deal with European negotiators.

Iran said Monday it froze all uranium enrichment programs, weakening a U.S. effort to refer Tehran's suspect nuclear activities to the U.N. Security Council.

The suspension was clearly timed to coincide with the start of the 35-nation IAEA board meeting and met a key demand of the last board meeting in September. It thus deprived the Americans of arguing that Tehran was defying the U.N. agency.

Still, Iran has said suspension will be only temporary and insists that it has the ultimate right to enrich uranium. It dismisses U.S. assertions that it wants to use the technology to make weapons, saying it is interested only in generating nuclear power.

And Tehran's announcement of a start to suspension came only after it had already converted a few tons of raw uranium into the gas used as feedstock for enrichment by centrifuges. While not prohibited from doing so until Monday - when the freeze took effect - conversion continued until shortly before the deadline, raising doubts about Iran's interest in dispelling international concerns.

One of the diplomats - an EU delegate to the upcoming IAEA board meeting who spoke on condition of anonymity - said the new Iranian demand on centrifuge operation dealt a further blow to initial European optimism about the deal, reached earlier this month in Paris.

Tehran ultimately plans to run 50,000 centrifuges to enrich uranium in the central city of Natanz. Iran says the Natanz facility is meant to meet the fuel requirements of a nuclear reactor being built with Russian help that is expected to be finished next year.

For now, it is far short of that goal, possessing less than 1,000 centrifuges, most of them bought secretly through the black market network of Pakistani scientist Abdul Qadeer Kahn, the rest made domestically.

But experts estimate Iran is not far away from being able to run the 1,500 centrifuges that are needed for making the amount of highly enriched uranium - about 45 pounds - needed for one crude weapon a year.

IAEA head Mohamed ElBaradei said earlier this week he expected to have a definitive ruling by Thursday - the opening of the board meeting - on whether Iran had honored its pledge to stop all activities covered by the freeze.

A confidential draft resolution on Iran made available to The Associated Press and being revised for approval by the board requests that ElBaradei monitor the implementation of the suspension and "report immediately to the board" if the freeze is not implemented.

While not prohibited from enrichment under the Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty, Iran has been under intense pressure to agree to at least a freeze - if not to scrap its program - as a way of reducing international suspicions.

ElBaradei, the U.N. agency head, said Monday he believed the Iranians processed about two tons of raw uranium into the gas in the period leading up to Monday's suspension deadline.

A diplomat with nuclear expertise said that amount would be about a quarter of the quantity needed to produce the 25 kilograms - or more than 50 pounds - of weapons-grade uranium for one small nuclear weapon.

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Anyone surprised?

J

All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. - Edmund Burke

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Anyone surprised?

Nope, and I hope the EU isn't either. I think the world
had to see this one coming!!!!

They want nukes, and they will get them, either overtly or covertly.... If I were Iran though, I would be worrying about Isreali fighter Jets

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OH, Surprise, Surprise, Surprise!!!!!

Who wudda thunk.

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OH, Surprise, Surprise, Surprise!!!!!

Who wudda thunk.

What is your problem with research? We do it, Britain does it , Russia does it, France does it, India does it...

2 dozen centifuges would take over 60 years to produce enough uranium for a single bomb.

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What is your problem with research?

Its not a problem of research, (but what are the researching?) but rather that they want to change and agreement they only made a week or two ago...

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What is your problem with research?

Its not a problem of research, (but what are the researching?) but rather that they want to change and agreement they only made a week or two ago...

J

What are we researching? We've had nukes for 60 years. Should we close down Los Alamos, Sandia and Livermore?

There's a lot of interesting science can be done with an ultra centifruge besides enriching U. Since 2 dozen of them can't produce a bomb in less than a half century it doesn't seem like a problem to me.

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There's a lot of interesting science can be done with an ultra centifruge besides enriching U. Since 2 dozen of them can't produce a bomb in less than a half century it doesn't seem like a problem to me.

What do you think they are going to research?

Iran is not known as a leader in science.

It IS known as a leader in blowing shit up, and terrorsim.

"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

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There's a lot of interesting science can be done with an ultra centifruge besides enriching U. Since 2 dozen of them can't produce a bomb in less than a half century it doesn't seem like a problem to me.

What do you think they are going to research?

Iran is not known as a leader in science.

It IS known as a leader in blowing shit up, and terrorsim.

So only nations that are leaders are allowed to do science research now?

What shit has Iran blown up? I do remember that the USS Vincennes blew up an Iranian airliner.

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So only nations that are leaders are allowed to do science research now?

Is Iran known as a learder in scientific research?

Being you are a science guy, what do you think they will "research"?

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So only nations that are leaders are allowed to do science research now?

Is Iran known as a learder in scientific research?

Being you are a science guy, what do you think they will "research"?

Iran has some excellent universites and some very good scientists. If they didn't, we wouldn't be so worried about their nuclear program, would we? Your premise is incorrect.

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I do remember that the USS Vincennes blew up an Iranian airliner.

Yes they did... an airliner that was warned to change course and did not, and was flying an atypical flight profile for a civilian airliner... I also found it rather odd that all the bodies in the water were naked (and showing no evidence of their cloths being burned off)... which dose not seem consistant with other examples of midair aircraft breakups (TWA 800, KA 007).

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Iran has some excellent universites and some very good scientists. If they didn't, we wouldn't be so worried about their nuclear program, would we? Your premise is incorrect.

No, its not.

They got the plans and some of the materials from Pakistan and Dr. Abdul Qadeer Kahn.

Again name ONE major scientific break through done by Iran.

"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

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Algebra. Ok, ok I jest.

OTOH Indonesia had never won an Olympic medal till 1996... should they have stopped going?

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2 dozen centifuges would take over 60 years to produce enough uranium for a single bomb.

Hey Kallend maybe you missed this part of the article:

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Tehran ultimately plans to run 50,000 centrifuges to enrich uranium in the central city of Natanz. Iran says the Natanz facility is meant to meet the fuel requirements of a nuclear reactor being built with Russian help that is expected to be finished next year.

For now, it is far short of that goal, possessing less than 1,000 centrifuges, most of them bought secretly through the black market network of Pakistani scientist Abdul Qadeer Kahn, the rest made domestically.

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Algebra. Ok, ok I jest

That right there is reaon enough to bomb them

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OTOH Indonesia had never won an Olympic medal till 1996... should they have stopped going?

No, but don't you find it funny that a country that is not known for its scientific advances wants to research in the same area that makes a cool weapon?

I mena its not like they are studying the effects of greehouse gasses, they want to research nuclear materials.

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which dose not seem consistant with other examples of midair aircraft breakups

We know the US fired a missile. So you’re saying that the plane broke apart? And the missile we fired at a passenger jet missed and had nothing to do with the plane crashing. Just want to make sure that’s what you are trying to say? That some how it was the passenger jets fault?

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Would'nt you be concerned if they were reseaching greenhouse gases since some of them have applications in NBC weapons. The beauty of a weapon is that it can take any great scientific effort and some how manage to kill people with it. Lasers are now being used to shoot missles down, research any virus and you can engineer it into a biological weapon if desired. Same with types of fungus and bacteria. Circuit design is used to create better and faster timing gates to set off bombs. GPS will pinpoint a bomb for you. Reseach into electromagnets can be taken that they are trying to create EMP weapons. Pick any major scienctific field and you can look at the military applications from it.

There is a tacital application as well as a practical application. You need radioactive agents to do nuclear medicine.

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There is a tacital application as well as a practical application. You need radioactive agents to do nuclear medicine.

Not weapons grade nuclear materials.

And do you know any big medical breakthroughs from Iran?

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Not weapons grade nuclear materials.

The IAEA say they haven't got any.

Remember just cos they're enriching doesn't mean they're doing it to weapons grade. Weapons grade means 90% + Nuclear reactors nead 2-3% - they still need to enrich it to get it to that stage.

The IAEA did find reactor grade unraium though. They also found they were knocking it out as quick as they could too but that's what they need to do for a power plant.

When we know all their efforts are going into producing reactor grade unraium, and that uranium is far off what's required for a bomb... it's odd that some people still say they're in the process of building a bomb.

I'm not saying they don't want one - I simply don't know. All I'm saying is that the IAEA is not coming out with anything which indicates they're building one... its just some people are seizing on what the IAEA are finding as saying "see - they are doing it" when there's not actually anything in the IAEA's findings which does indicate a bomb.

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Just want to make sure that’s what you are trying to say? That some how it was the passenger jets fault?

The US fired the missile, that hit the jet, which then broke apart... Was it the jet's fault? In part yes... it was not on a comercial route, it was not flying a comercial flight profile, it was warned to change course away from the ship or it would be fired upon, it turned toward the ship instead... there was further speculation that these actions were done on purpose to create the encounter and a bad PR event for the US... the speculation was fueled by the irregularities noted in the "victims" that suggested they were dead before they were put on the plane... the speculations were never proven though.

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Iran has some excellent universites and some very good scientists. If they didn't, we wouldn't be so worried about their nuclear program, would we? Your premise is incorrect.

No, its not.

They got the plans and some of the materials from Pakistan and Dr. Abdul Qadeer Kahn.

Again name ONE major scientific break through done by Iran.

And the US got plans and some materials from Britain in 1942-3 to get the Manhattan project going. Your point?

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And the US got plans and some materials from Britain in 1942-3 to get the Manhattan project going. Your point?

Don't forget German scientists...

But you still have failed to name ONE major scientific discovery from Iran.

Untill you do that, don't expect me to respond to you about this.

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2 dozen centifuges would take over 60 years to produce enough uranium for a single bomb.

Hey Kallend maybe you missed this part of the article:

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Tehran ultimately plans to run 50,000 centrifuges to enrich uranium in the central city of Natanz. Iran says the Natanz facility is meant to meet the fuel requirements of a nuclear reactor being built with Russian help that is expected to be finished next year.

For now, it is far short of that goal, possessing less than 1,000 centrifuges, most of them bought secretly through the black market network of Pakistani scientist Abdul Qadeer Kahn, the rest made domestically.

Not at all, they are only requesting permission to unseal and operate "two dozen".

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But you still have failed to name ONE major scientific discovery from Iran

I pointed out that that is absolutely no reason for them not to carry out research though. Just like not having won an Olympics is no reason not to put money into sport.

Your answer that it is fishy that they are interested in nuclear power and probably wouldn't mind the odd nuclear weapon is a perfectly valid observation... but that doesn't negate the fact that carying out scientific reserch is not at all dependant on being a leading nation in such areas.