Hunting Rifles to be Banned...

[lawrocket 3]

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=519&ncid=718&e=2&u=/ap/20041122/ap_on_re_us/hunters_shot

So, here we have a hunter killing five, wounding 3. He did so using a rifle.

We used to think that the Constitution protected the right to bear arms. Over the last 50 years, we've gotten wise to this and realized that the Second Amendment only allows us to bear arms for hunting, and in that, only weapons necessary for killing animals.

Now, this incident will likely cause us to re-evaluate that line of thinking. If hunting rifles can be used to kill people on hunting trips, they likely should not be protected.

I'm patiently waiting for the anti-gun crowd to seize this matter, and blame the NRA for this senseless act, and use it to pass more restrictive firearms laws.

I'm also waitign for PETA to post billboards of the dead mother and son saying, "Bambi's Revenge."

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[kallend 2,174]

Do you find the level of firearms related deaths and injuries in the US acceptable?

If so, at what level would it become unacceptable?

If not, what should be done about it?

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[TheAnvil 0]

Do you find the level of deaths caused by medical malpractice/mistakes acceptable?

At what level would you find them unacceptable?

What, praytell, do you propose to do about it?

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[AggieDave 6]

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Do you find the level of firearms related deaths and injuries in the US acceptable?

Do you find the level of driving related deaths and injuries in the US acceptable? I don't, that's a MUCH larger issue then gun violence. There are many many many more people killed and injured each year in the US due to automobiles then from firearms.

Oh, how about the US's eating habits and all the death and illness from that? That kills a crapload of people each year.

Ban fast food!

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[lawrocket 3]

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Do you find the level of firearms related deaths and injuries in the US acceptable?

If so, at what level would it become unacceptable?

If not, what should be done about it?

Well, I propose a quick fix. Congress will pass a law that says that the laws of inertia, when used in firearms, shall not apply for innocent persons. This law will have important ramifications. While enforcement will take some federal funding, the long term consequence will be that innocents who have had a firearm discharged at them will have no fear. THe bullets will not have sufficient inertia to penetrate the human, so long as the human is not a wrongdoer.

This will lower the risk of the continued deaths of innocents due to firearm violence, and will be just as effective as past or future firearms laws in the prevention of innocent deaths.

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[kallend 2,174]

So it's acceptable to you, then, since you gave a flippant reply.

Just collateral damage. Too bad but nothing to get upset about.

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[kallend 2,174]

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Do you find the level of deaths caused by medical malpractice/mistakes acceptable?

At what level would you find them unacceptable?

What, praytell, do you propose to do about it?

No, they are not acceptable. My question to Lawrocket wasn't "what will YOU do about it", either.

However, IMHO, having medical professional help available is, on the whole, more valuable to me and most of the rest of society than having a gun.

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[kallend 2,174]

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Do you find the level of firearms related deaths and injuries in the US acceptable?

Do you find the level of driving related deaths and injuries in the US acceptable? I don't, that's a MUCH larger issue then gun violence. There are many many many more people killed and injured each year in the US due to automobiles then from firearms.

Oh, how about the US's eating habits and all the death and illness from that? That kills a crapload of people each year.

Ban fast food!

I agree, and drivers' licenses should be much harder to obtain.

As far as eating habits are concerned, no one has yet hurt me on account of their poor eating habits. If someone wishes to commit suicide by overeating that's their business - although I would like to see health insurance premiums increased for the clinically obese.

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[AggieDave 6]

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However, IMHO, having medical professional help available is, on the whole, more valuable to me and most of the rest of society than having a gun.

Have the best tools at my disposal to defend myself and my family is just as important to me as quality medical care.

Just because you don't agree with something doesn't make it wrong, this isn't your classroom, this is the real world.

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[PhillyKev 0]

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So it's acceptable to you, then, since you gave a flippant reply.

Just collateral damage. Too bad but nothing to get upset about.

I don't see his reply as flippant. He was giving an example of how effective gun laws are at keeping guns away from criminals. They are as effective as speeding laws are at keeping people from running people down in the street to kill them.

John...what is the rate of shooting deaths of innocent bystanders in the US? Please exclude people engaging in criminal activities and self inflicted. That's going to really drop the number down. The number one cause of shootings in this country is drug disputes. Decriminalizing drugs would be a far better strategy to reduce gun related deaths, while at the same time increasing freedom instead of further restricting it.

[AggieDave 6]

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As far as eating habits are concerned, no one has yet hurt me on account of their poor eating habits. If someone wishes to commit suicide by overeating that's their business - although I would like to see health insurance premiums increased for the clinically obese.

Yes, people's eating habits have severely effected you, I guess you don't see the whole picture.

The number one killer in America is heart disease as well as many other conditions that are caused by unhealthy lifestyles and unhealthy eating. That is costing you money in higher taxes, higher health care costs, higher insurance rates to cover the insurance company's costs...the list goes on.

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[Gravitymaster 0]

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As far as eating habits are concerned, no one has yet hurt me on account of their poor eating habits. If someone wishes to commit suicide by overeating that's their business - although I would like to see health insurance premiums increased for the clinically obese.

Yes, people's eating habits have severely effected you, I guess you don't see the whole picture.

The number one killer in America is heart disease as well as many other conditions that are caused by unhealthy lifestyles and unhealthy eating. That is costing you money in higher taxes, higher health care costs, higher insurance rates to cover the insurance company's costs...the list goes on.

There was an incident recently where the driver of a Tour Bus had a heart attack and killed several people when the bus crashed.

Another incident happened a few days ago on a bridge leading to the Florida Keys. The driver hhad a heart attack and died. Fortunately in this case people on the bus were able to stop it before it plunged off the bridge and into the water. Clearly dozens of people would have died.

[kallend 2,174]

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As far as eating habits are concerned, no one has yet hurt me on account of their poor eating habits. If someone wishes to commit suicide by overeating that's their business - although I would like to see health insurance premiums increased for the clinically obese.

Yes, people's eating habits have severely effected you, I guess you don't see the whole picture.

The number one killer in America is heart disease as well as many other conditions that are caused by unhealthy lifestyles and unhealthy eating. That is costing you money in higher taxes, higher health care costs, higher insurance rates to cover the insurance company's costs...the list goes on.

There was an incident recently where the driver of a Tour Bus had a heart attack and killed several people when the bus crashed.

Another incident happened a few days ago on a bridge leading to the Florida Keys. The driver hhad a heart attack and died. Fortunately in this case people on the bus were able to stop it before it plunged off the bridge and into the water. Clearly dozens of people would have died.

Was it on account of poor eating habits? I knew (apparently) very healthy people who just dropped dead from heart attacks, which are not always caused by cholesterol clogged arteries.

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[kallend 2,174]

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So it's acceptable to you, then, since you gave a flippant reply.

Just collateral damage. Too bad but nothing to get upset about.

I don't see his reply as flippant. He was giving an example of how effective gun laws are at keeping guns away from criminals. They are as effective as speeding laws are at keeping people from running people down in the street to kill them.

John...what is the rate of shooting deaths of innocent bystanders in the US? Please exclude people engaging in criminal activities and self inflicted. That's going to really drop the number down. The number one cause of shootings in this country is drug disputes. Decriminalizing drugs would be a far better strategy to reduce gun related deaths, while at the same time increasing freedom instead of further restricting it.

Well, at least you have a proposal. The likelihood of that happening under the current administration is rather slim.

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[AggieDave 6]

http://www.the-eggman.com/writings/death_stats.html

Go there, look at the chart. The chart even includes gang related shootings, LEO shootings and self defense shootings.

Tell me where we should be focusing our efforts as a country on curbing death?

--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline."

[storm1977 0]

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Was it on account of poor eating habits? I knew (apparently) very healthy people who just dropped dead from heart attacks, which are not always caused by cholesterol clogged arteries.

That is true... many people do have heart attacks and are not overweight, however, your statement that you have never been hurt by someone else being overweight, doesn't mean it doesn't happen.

I have never been hurt by a gun.... See, your example is bad. They are simply pointing out that someone elses obesity can hurt you and or your family.

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[kallend 2,174]

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However, IMHO, having medical professional help available is, on the whole, more valuable to me and most of the rest of society than having a gun.

Have the best tools at my disposal to defend myself and my family is just as important to me as quality medical care.

Just because you don't agree with something doesn't make it wrong, this isn't your classroom, this is the real world.

No, this is DZ.com, about as far from the real world as you can get.

My classroom is in the real world, on the south side of Chicago, about a mile from places the police won't go alone and paramedics won't go without a police escort. A place I have worked since before you were born. Don't lecture me about the real world.

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[mnealtx 0]

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[Gravitymaster 0]

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As far as eating habits are concerned, no one has yet hurt me on account of their poor eating habits. If someone wishes to commit suicide by overeating that's their business - although I would like to see health insurance premiums increased for the clinically obese.

Yes, people's eating habits have severely effected you, I guess you don't see the whole picture.

The number one killer in America is heart disease as well as many other conditions that are caused by unhealthy lifestyles and unhealthy eating. That is costing you money in higher taxes, higher health care costs, higher insurance rates to cover the insurance company's costs...the list goes on.

There was an incident recently where the driver of a Tour Bus had a heart attack and killed several people when the bus crashed.

Another incident happened a few days ago on a bridge leading to the Florida Keys. The driver hhad a heart attack and died. Fortunately in this case people on the bus were able to stop it before it plunged off the bridge and into the water. Clearly dozens of people would have died.

Was it on account of poor eating habits? I knew (apparently) very healthy people who just dropped dead from heart attacks, which are not always caused by cholesterol clogged arteries.

I don't know if poor eating habit were a cause of these particular accidents because that information wasn't made available in the news articles I read. My point is that we know poor eating habits are a major cause of heart disease and the result can endanger others lives. It would be a pretty far stretch to conclude that diet related heart disease is not a factor in any traffic related deaths.

[AggieDave 6]

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My classroom is in the real world, on the south side of Chicago, about a mile from places the police won't go alone and paramedics won't go without a police escort. A place I have worked since before you were born. Don't lecture me about the real world.

Bwaahahahaha

Why do you get so upset if this is only DZ.com? What do you have to prove to a 24 year old in Texas?

Man, you've really got to get a grip. Your arguement on the internet goes south, is shown to have no merit then all of a sudden you're getting pissed off. Man, that's funny!

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[storm1977 0]

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No, this is DZ.com, about as far from the real world as you can get.

My classroom is in the real world, on the south side of Chicago, about a mile from places the police won't go alone and paramedics won't go without a police escort. A place I have worked since before you were born. Don't lecture me about the real world.

Holy Crap..... someone touched a nerve!!!!!

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[Gravitymaster 0]

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http://www.the-eggman.com/writings/death_stats.html

Go there, look at the chart. The chart even includes gang related shootings, LEO shootings and self defense shootings.

Tell me where we should be focusing our efforts as a country on curbing death?

I would also add that since a very large percentage of deaths in the 15-24 y.o. bracket are obviously gang related, an outright ban on guns would be not only counter-productive but also ineffective because gangs are going to use whatever they can fashion into a weapon to kill. Evidenced by the large number of assaults by gangs in prison.

[kallend 2,174]

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My classroom is in the real world, on the south side of Chicago, about a mile from places the police won't go alone and paramedics won't go without a police escort. A place I have worked since before you were born. Don't lecture me about the real world.

Bwaahahahaha

Why do you get so upset if this is only DZ.com? What do you have to prove to a 24 year old in Texas?

Man, you've really got to get a grip. Your arguement on the internet goes south, is shown to have no merit then all of a sudden you're getting pissed off. Man, that's funny!

I think it funny that someone from College Station lectures someone from Chicago about the real world.

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[GravityGirl 0]

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Do you find the level of driving related deaths and injuries in the US acceptable? I don't, that's a MUCH larger issue then gun violence. There are many many many more people killed and injured each year in the US due to automobiles then from firearms.

That is a silly example. There are a lot more drivers than gun toting cowboys.

But no! I do not find the level of auto fatalities acceptable. And I am MADD! I do something about it.

All these issues you bring up in comparison are valid. But they also have concerned folks speaking out.

Do you realize that the push and pull on any issue is necessary to keep things in balance. I don't necessarily want to take "your" gun away, but I do want to keep "you" in check.

There are exretemes on both sides of each fence. So if one side stops pushing, the fence will fall over.

Some folks call me middle of the road. That might be perceived as wishy washy. But if I beleive in anything, I believe in balance.

I want the option to own a gun if I feel I need one. (I have lived in the country where we had to carry a gun to keep the coyotes away from our animals.) But I have no problem REASONABLE limitations.

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[storm1977 0]

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Do you find the level of driving related deaths and injuries in the US acceptable? I don't, that's a MUCH larger issue then gun violence. There are many many many more people killed and injured each year in the US due to automobiles then from firearms.

That is a silly example. There are a lot more drivers than gun toting cowboys.

But no! I do not find the level of auto fatalities acceptable. And I am MADD! I do something about it.

All these issues you bring up in comparison are valid. But they also have concerned folks speaking out.

Do you realize that the push and pull on any issue is necessary to keep things in balance. I don't necessarily want to take "your" gun away, but I do want to keep "you" in check.

There are exretemes on both sides of each fence. So if one side stops pushing, the fence will fall over.

Some folks call me middle of the road. That might be perceived as wishy washy. But if I beleive in anything, I believe in balance.

I want the option to own a gun if I feel I need one. (I have lived in the country where we had to carry a gun to keep the coyotes away from our animals.) But I have no problem REASONABLE limitations.

Do the math by percentage.....
There are a lot more gun owners out there than you might think!!!

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