sundevil777 102 #1 November 18, 2004 I watched a show about the history of German autobahns (freeways in general also). A cop showed a few examples of very mild gestures, such as signaling that you think someone is blind, crazy, an asshole (done by making a circle shape with thumb and forefinger), and of course the middle finger. And you thought law makers were crazy in the US? People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jib 0 #2 November 18, 2004 Now that's censorship! -------------------------------------------------- the depth of his depravity sickens me. -- Jerry Falwell, People v. Larry Flynt Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
b1jercat 0 #3 November 18, 2004 I'm up to about too 5600 as of last night. Punks too chickenshit to grt out of their car. blues jerry Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mardigrasbob 0 #4 November 18, 2004 In Southern California it carries the death penalty! ---------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
akarunway 1 #5 November 18, 2004 Punks too chickenshit to grt out of their car. Fuck them. Break out the heavy artillery and kill emI hold it true, whate'er befall; I feel it, when I sorrow most; 'Tis better to have loved and lost Than never to have loved at all. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Frenchy68 0 #6 November 18, 2004 That must explain why Germany switched to the Euro! "For once you have tasted Absinthe you will walk the earth with your eyes turned towards the gutter, for there you have been and there you will long to return." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peacefuljeffrey 0 #7 November 18, 2004 QuoteI watched a show about the history of German autobahns (freeways in general also). A cop showed a few examples of very mild gestures, such as signaling that you think someone is blind, crazy, an asshole (done by making a circle shape with thumb and forefinger), and of course the middle finger. WHAT?! That's the "OK" sign! Read Lucky Mike's book "Dancing on Raindrops" and you'll know what happens when you try to substitute the "thumbs up" for the "OK"... Um, let's not forget that Germany is the country with the political history that they feel necessitates that they BAN certain political speech and parties... They're not comfy with the idea of people speaking what they feel and letting public discourse sort out who's right and who's wrong. -Jeffrey-Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
miked10270 0 #8 November 18, 2004 You've gotta remember that this is quite a tense period in German history. You see, Germany used to be lots of little countries that spent their time fighting each other. Then around 1889 they all got together and a few years later started fighting everybody else! Then around 1945 they got split up again and were fighting each other. Then in 1989 they got together again... And here we are a few years later!!! So personally I'm pleased about anything that curbs their aggression. Plus I'm kind of reassured that the driver can still be seen making these gestures 'cos that wouldn't be possible if he was in, say, a tank! Mike. Taking the piss out of the FrenchAmericans since before it was fashionable. Prenait la pisse hors du FrançaisCanadiens méridionaux puisqu'avant lui à la mode. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peacefuljeffrey 0 #9 November 18, 2004 Good ol' Mike -- always seein' the bright side! -Jeffrey-Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Merkur 1 #10 November 18, 2004 Quote WHAT?! That's the "OK" sign! Read Lucky Mike's book "Dancing on Raindrops" and you'll know what happens when you try to substitute the "thumbs up" for the "OK"... Different countries, different interpretations of hand signals. Quote Um, let's not forget that Germany is the country with the political history that they feel necessitates that they BAN certain political speech and parties... They're not comfy with the idea of people speaking what they feel and letting public discourse sort out who's right and who's wrong. Isn't it in the U.S. where your questions in a presidential debate have to be approved in advance and if you alter by even just 1 word, your microphone gets shut down?vSCR No.94 Don't dream your life - live your dream! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #11 November 18, 2004 IN the USA, flippin the bird doesn't get you a fine, it only gets you shot at sometimes. which is why I don't do it when I'm on the road. Asimov once observed, "An armed society is a polite society." I believe it. I saw a film once that took place in Paris. And if the film was accurate, Parisians really just verbally rip into each other. Even to complete strangers. pretty f*&kin dangerous, potentially. Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #12 November 18, 2004 QuoteMaking rude gestures to motorists carries an 800 mark fine... Put me down for a credit of 2400 marks to start my account. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
christelsabine 1 #13 November 18, 2004 Quote And you thought law makers were crazy in the US? Why? That's making up cash account. Show me a fed's cash which does not need money. Car drivers are paying fools, all over the world. And they have to control themselves on the wheel, as: cars are weapons. OTH: If someone is presenting his middle finger to me, I really would like to give him back my five, just in the middle of his cheek. But, what would that cost? Over there, you surely have similar regulations dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Botellines 0 #14 November 18, 2004 HMMMMMM!!!!! Trying my hardest not to turn this thread into a gun thread... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
christelsabine 1 #15 November 18, 2004 QuoteHMMMMMM!!!!! Trying my hardest not to turn this thread into a gun thread... Torero, may I help you on this? In our police cars, we do not have a special mounting for pump guns. But cops carry a lot of pens to note all the slips drivers do. That's enough to keep folks under control. How, the hell, will you escape NOW? Hmmmm ??? dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Falko 0 #16 November 19, 2004 QuoteUm, let's not forget that Germany is the country with the political history that they feel necessitates that they BAN certain political speech and parties... German law does not outlaw any kind of political speech, as long as it complies with the german constitution. Hell they even protect right wing party demonstrations with police force, paid by my taxes. That's democracy! There are a few restrictions though: You may not say in public that you'd like the democratic parliamentary system replaced by a dictatorial leadership or the like. And you also may not say that you'd like any ethnical/cultural minority deported or worse. The display of signs and symbols of the Third Reich is also forbidden. You also may not deny that the Holocaust took place. I hope that kind of "restrictive law" doesn't make germans look too much "lefty euro socialist". As for the political parties: Even f***ing idiots like the NPD (extreme right wing) get their fair share of speech in the parliament of the Federal state of Sachsen. So much for out healthy democracy, which let's and I quote you "public discourse sort out who's right and who's wrong". QuoteThey're not comfy with the idea of people speaking what they feel and letting public discourse sort out who's right and who's wrong. Major BS! "They're" is an over-simplification addressing the german people as a whole. It's as if I was saying "All americans are [fill in cliché here]". You wouldn't like that would you? Have you ever been to germany or studied the facts about our political system? If not then maybe you shouldn't judge so quickly. Ich betrachte die Religion als Krankheit, als Quelle unnennbaren Elends für die menschliche Rasse. (Bertrand Russell, engl. Philosoph, 1872-1970) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nacmacfeegle 0 #17 November 19, 2004 Actually, quite a few European countries have laws to prevent inciting riots, stirring up racial, or sectarian hatred etc. I think its sensible and hardly a restriction on free speech. On the plus side, Autobahns are fun if you have access to significant amounts of horsepower. For what its worth, I spent the better part of a year working in Bad Bentheim, Niedersachsen, and had a great time there. Very nice people.-------------------- He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me. Thomas Jefferson Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Falko 0 #18 November 19, 2004 QuoteI think its sensible and hardly a restriction on free speech. Agreed. (Glad you got the irony) Personal freedom ends where one restricts the freedom of others or hurts their rights. It's all a question of definition, "what is a right"? Does it hurt my rights if someone spouts racist hatred publicly. Yes it does: He wants to take away civil rights of a minority . Does it hurt my rights if someone gives me the finger on the highway? Yes it does: It's an insult. Try it: Go tell your boss he's an a$§h0le. How much would that be worth in a lawsuit? QuoteOn the plus side, Autobahns are fun if you have access to significant amounts of horsepower. Yes they are. 130 HP do it for me. I feel very comfortable at 220km/h (~135mph) as it's fast bellyflyer speed. Ich betrachte die Religion als Krankheit, als Quelle unnennbaren Elends für die menschliche Rasse. (Bertrand Russell, engl. Philosoph, 1872-1970) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #19 November 19, 2004 QuoteAsimov Heinlein once observed, "An armed society is a polite society." Fixed that for ya Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #20 November 19, 2004 whooops. sorry.. I was reading a lot of Heinlein & Asimov during the same time period & must have gotten them confused. Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Frenchy68 0 #21 November 19, 2004 ***Um, let's not forget that Germany is the country with the political history that they feel necessitates that they BAN certain political speech and parties... They're not comfy with the idea of people speaking what they feel and letting public discourse sort out who's right and who's wrong.*** There are many Western democracies with restrictions on certain ideologies. Communism is not really welcome in the US. "For once you have tasted Absinthe you will walk the earth with your eyes turned towards the gutter, for there you have been and there you will long to return." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ditch9276 0 #22 November 20, 2004 QuoteIt's all a question of definition, "what is a right"? Here's the answer: The right is on the side of those who have the best lawyers, will mean who have the money to hire the best lawyers!!! QuoteDoes it hurt my rights if someone gives me the finger on the highway? No it dosen't: Why? Cause those who use this gestical signs, aren't worth to fret about!!! QuoteTry it: Go tell your boss he's an a$§h0le. Done twice this week, and i still working there!!! Quote130 HP do it for me What stands on the sign of your cars back?? Here're working 130 Horses and 1 donkey!!! .The only rings that are worth wearing, are those of my 3-ring-system!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
miked10270 0 #23 November 20, 2004 QuoteQuoteHMMMMMM!!!!! Trying my hardest not to turn this thread into a gun thread... cops carry a lot of pens to keep folks under control. Superb! Now it's a pen thread! I say we should ban the concealed carry of pens. And all you other pen nuts out there... What's your favourite pen? Mine is the Fischer Space Pen with the collapsible barrel. Compact, reliable and effective! Mike. PS: ChristelSabine... Where's my jokes!!? Taking the piss out of the FrenchAmericans since before it was fashionable. Prenait la pisse hors du FrançaisCanadiens méridionaux puisqu'avant lui à la mode. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #24 November 20, 2004 Quote What stands on the sign of your cars back?? Here're working 130 Horses and 1 donkey!!! . I've seen that bumper sticker... 130HP under the hood, 1 ass in the driver's seat... Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peacefuljeffrey 0 #25 November 20, 2004 QuoteQuoteUm, let's not forget that Germany is the country with the political history that they feel necessitates that they BAN certain political speech and parties... German law does not outlaw any kind of political speech, as long as it complies with the german constitution. Hell they even protect right wing party demonstrations with police force, paid by my taxes. That's democracy! There are a few restrictions though: You may not say in public that you'd like the democratic parliamentary system replaced by a dictatorial leadership or the like. And you also may not say that you'd like any ethnical/cultural minority deported or worse. Okay, SAYING something is illegal under German law. Not an incitement to riot, nor "yelling fire in a crowded theater"... Simply voicing that your opinion is that you would like, say, Muslims deported, or that you want a monarch or autocrat to run the country... this is a crime. The notion of it is abhorrent to me. If these positions are so weak, so wrong, why can't German society open up discourse and expose them as being so? Is it so dangerous to trust Germans with freedom? QuoteThe display of signs and symbols of the Third Reich is also forbidden. You also may not deny that the Holocaust took place. Nope -- 'cause that would be thoughtcrime, and we can't have that! QuoteQuoteThey're not comfy with the idea of people speaking what they feel and letting public discourse sort out who's right and who's wrong. Major BS! "They're" is an over-simplification addressing the german people as a whole. It's as if I was saying "All americans are [fill in cliché here]". You wouldn't like that would you? No BS there. "They're" refers to German society, through Germany's laws and constitution. "Germany" is not comfortable with letting Germans speak and discuss all manner of socio-political realities. This indicates a weakness: a failure to put faith in the ability of the good people of society to overcome, through rational discourse, the irrational and evil and fascist fringes of that society. If there was faith in the good elements of German society, there would be no fear that neo-nazis could begin to flourish there again if you didn't clamp down on anything they might have to say. Face it, Germany has criminalized certain thought. QuoteHave you ever been to germany or studied the facts about our political system? If not then maybe you shouldn't judge so quickly. No, I have not made a study of Germany or its laws. Even if all I knew was what you wrote above, it would be enough to make me abhor the system you have set up there. Suppression of thought and of political speech is wrong. -Jeffrey-Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
