lawrocket 3 #1 November 18, 2004 http://www.kesq.com/Global/story.asp?S=2575862&nav=9ptCTDBm QuoteThe state may have found a new way to make you pay for driving your car. The state says it's not getting as much money out of you from the gas tax because cars are getting better mileage now. Now the DMV is talking about a plan to charge you by the mile. The next time you to fill up your tank, think about this. How nice would it be for the state to drop its 18 cent gas tax? But there's a catch. Instead, you'd be taxed for every single mile you drive. So the higher your odometer reading at the end of every day, the more you'd have to pay... Why is Cali doing this? Because cars are getting better mileage and payng less tax. So, those of you who bought hybrids and high mileage cars, get ready to pay more. All of you with gas guzzlers, your tax will probably go down. So, Cali is saying, "hey folks, buy more gas guzzlers" My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jib 0 #2 November 18, 2004 If you look at the wear and tear on the roads, it makes sense. The question really is the rate. If it was .18 per gal and it's now .01 per mile and stays at $2/gal for gas without taxes, then a 30 mpg car would pay $40 more per 10,000 miles ($726.67). A 18 mpg would pay the same ($1211.11). -------------------------------------------------- the depth of his depravity sickens me. -- Jerry Falwell, People v. Larry Flynt Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zenister 0 #3 November 18, 2004 beware when government seeks subtle ways to curb its citizens travel....____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sundevil777 102 #4 November 18, 2004 Even though cars are getting better mileage, isn't there still more gas used because of more cars in general? For my cars it is very easy to disconnect the speedo.People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ltdiver 3 #5 November 18, 2004 QuoteWhy is Cali doing this? Because cars are getting better mileage and payng less tax. So, those of you who bought hybrids and high mileage cars, get ready to pay more. Thought of this exactly when I heard about this this week. Wonder what our billvon thinks of this! ltdiver Don't tell me the sky's the limit when there are footprints on the moon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,131 #6 November 18, 2004 >If you look at the wear and tear on the roads, it makes sense. Not really. Heavy vehicles cause a lot more road wear than light vehicles; heavy vehicles use more gas. Doesn't make a lot of sense to encourage people to get a 6000 lb car instead of an 1800 lb one, at least from a road wear perspective. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GravityGirl 0 #7 November 18, 2004 Doesn't Arni drive a Hummer? I hope to Gawd this doesn't pass. How will it be enforced? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Peace and Blue Skies! Bonnie ==>Gravity Gear! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #8 November 18, 2004 QuoteHow will it be enforced? By a government odometer, likely. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GravityGirl 0 #9 November 18, 2004 Do you suppose it will be like a yearly check in at the DMV? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Peace and Blue Skies! Bonnie ==>Gravity Gear! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChasingBlueSky 0 #10 November 18, 2004 QuoteQuoteHow will it be enforced? By a government odometer, likely. God, I hope not. I have to drive 80 miles round trip every day!_________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #11 November 18, 2004 Quote Why is Cali doing this? Because cars are getting better mileage and payng less tax. So, those of you who bought hybrids and high mileage cars, get ready to pay more. I have a hard time believing that they're taking in less money. While hybrids are selling (relatively) well here, LA is a sea of SUVs in a land that's been getting ~10 inches of rain a year. Not much better in the Bay. I doubt that gas consumption has actually gone down, and sales tax is being levied on the higher price per gallon. Maybe this is an attempt to get around the passed initiative that mandates these fuel taxes be spent on the roads. But the proposal can't be taken very seriously - the cost of collection would greatly exceed the increased revenue. It makes as much sense as a 10c/bullet tax. Accomlishes little and encourages the wrong behavior. If everyone drove the same mileage, you do want to tax on gas usage, since road wear is pretty much inversely related to fuel efficiency. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #12 November 18, 2004 QuoteDoesn't Arni drive a Hummer? I hope to Gawd this doesn't pass. How will it be enforced? Most auto manufaturers are installing "black boxes" into automobiles. http://popularmechanics.com/automotive/opinion/2004/9/black_box/ These can and will be used to keep track of you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nacmacfeegle 0 #13 November 18, 2004 "These can and will be used to keep track of you." Aha, if they are not 'officially' fitted, and they 'don't really exist', why can't you diconnect/tamper with/remove them. Scary stuff though Gravitymaster, is this a government thing?-------------------- He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me. Thomas Jefferson Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gawain 0 #14 November 18, 2004 QuoteIf you look at the wear and tear on the roads, it makes sense. The question really is the rate. If it was .18 per gal and it's now .01 per mile and stays at $2/gal for gas without taxes, then a 30 mpg car would pay $40 more per 10,000 miles ($726.67). A 18 mpg would pay the same ($1211.11). No, what California needs to do is devote a greater percentage of the current budget to infrastructure. In the days when California had free higher education for residents, roads and infrastructure had nearly 20% of the budget (this is when Brown and Reagan were Governor). This was, of course, before the days of absurd social programs which started to strain the resources, many of which were implemented under Gray Davis (Wilson has his issues too, but I wasn't there when he was). Now, higher education costs money to residents, DOT gets less than 1% of the budget, the legislature is trying to make college free for illegal aliens and they don't understand why there isn't any money.So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright 'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life Make light! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #15 November 18, 2004 Quote"These can and will be used to keep track of you." Aha, if they are not 'officially' fitted, and they 'don't really exist', why can't you diconnect/tamper with/remove them. Scary stuff though Gravitymaster, is this a government thing? Yep, http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,132056,00.html Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ScubaSteve 0 #16 November 18, 2004 Then add tses taxes: http://www.cfif.org/htdocs/freedomline/un_monitor/in_our_opinion/global_taxes.htm fun fun fun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peregrinerose 0 #17 November 18, 2004 This would kill me. I drive 200 miles per day for my commute to work. 1000 per week, 52000 per year. Even at $0.01 a mile, that's a lot of extra cash I'd have to be shellling out. Jen Do or do not, there is no try -Yoda Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #18 November 18, 2004 I've yet to see the details on this and other similar measures being floated in a couple of states. But if they base the tax on a combination of vehicle type (factoring in the weight and number of axles) and mileage, I think this is a more equitable way to distribute the taxes. The example I used before is that my Harley gets about the same mileage as a hybrid car, but does a lot less damage to the roads. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest #19 November 18, 2004 What a dumb idea. How will they keep people from turning back odometers? Oh yeah - thay'll have to hire more inspectors / cops / etc. Sounds like a convenient way to add another layer of oppressive, expensive bureaucracy to the system while doing nothing to improve the situation. Sounds like California. mh Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GravityGirl 0 #20 November 18, 2004 I don't feel oppressed. At least I can pump my own gas! No wait. That's OR. You are from WA. Well. When I lived in WA, I always felt DEpressed from all the rain. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Peace and Blue Skies! Bonnie ==>Gravity Gear! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #21 November 18, 2004 QuoteNot really. Heavy vehicles cause a lot more road wear than light vehicles; heavy vehicles use more gas. Doesn't make a lot of sense to encourage people to get a 6000 lb car instead of an 1800 lb one, at least from a road wear perspective. That's why in Holland, on top of the heavily taxed gasoline, you pay an annual road tax based on the weight of your vehicle. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheBachelor 5 #22 November 18, 2004 I haven't seen any real details of this plan, but I see a couple of issues right away: If you tax me on my odometer, and I take a cross-country trip, then I'll be paying for miles that I didn't drive in California. If people come in from out of state, you won't be taxing their driving. This will be just another reason for people who move to California to keep their cars registered out of state.There are battered women? I've been eating 'em plain all of these years... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #23 November 18, 2004 QuoteI haven't seen any real details of this plan, but I see a couple of issues right away: If you tax me on my odometer, and I take a cross-country trip, then I'll be paying for miles that I didn't drive in California. If people come in from out of state, you won't be taxing their driving. This will be just another reason for people who move to California to keep their cars registered out of state. That's where the "black boxes" come in. They will allow govt. to track you by GPS. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #24 November 18, 2004 That's a damn good point. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Michele 1 #25 November 19, 2004 It would prevent me from buying a new car...which would also prevent me from paying the exhorbitant "luxury vehicle" taxes, and desimulate the economy. The other issue I see with this, aside from the ones indicated above in the thread, is that I'm a realtor. I depend on my car more than the regular 9-5'ers (although not as much as PeregrinRose, apparently...), and thus it would be a taxation based on occupation...which is a whole 'nother issue. Gonna be interesting...I may need to move to Oregon with my brother! LOLOL!!! Ciels- Michele ~Do Angels keep the dreams we seek While our hearts lie bleeding?~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
