quade 4 #1 November 18, 2004 http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=494&u=/ap/20041117/ap_en_tv/fcc_indecency_2&printer=1 So lemme get this straight . . . Viagra ads -- ok "And Twins!" -- ok Watching one of the most violent games ever conceived -- ok. But this is wrong because some kids may have seen a woman's naked back? Uh, I don't get it. What are we -- back in the 1960s?quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,596 #2 November 18, 2004 Just out of interest, who gets the cash from fines that the FCC dish out? Does it get spread out over general Govt spending or is it the FCC that benefits most?Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #3 November 18, 2004 My guess is that the fines don't even cover the court costs.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChasingBlueSky 0 #4 November 18, 2004 The current standards require to block out the cleft of the lower back/ass, or to cover up the ass if it is bare. They didn't show anything that goes against any community standards since they didn't show anything below the waste. If they get fined, then no women would be allowed on broadcast TV with a low cut dress that shows their bare back (much like what we have seen a thousand times on Bay Watch) Apparently we have Taliban-like beliefs now in this country._________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jib 0 #5 November 18, 2004 quade, don't forget it was after 9pm -------------------------------------------------- the depth of his depravity sickens me. -- Jerry Falwell, People v. Larry Flynt Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChasingBlueSky 0 #6 November 18, 2004 Quotequade, don't forget it was after 9pm And ABC has shown Dennis Franz's ass on NYPD Blue and that seemed to be ok??? It's bullshit that you can't even hint about sex now without some extremist right wing christian group sending out a couple hundred photocopied complaints. Do you think they would have cared as much if it wasn't inter-racial? Hmmmm....I wonder???_________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jimbo 0 #7 November 18, 2004 QuoteIt's bullshit that you can't even hint about sex now without some extremist right wing christian group sending out a couple hundred photocopied complaints. No it's not. Everybody gets their say, right? Everybody has a voice. Or is it only people you agree with who get a say, who get a voice? - Jim"Like" - The modern day comma Good bye, my friends. You are missed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChasingBlueSky 0 #8 November 18, 2004 Quote No it's not. Everybody gets their say, right? Everybody has a voice. Or is it only people you agree with who get a say, who get a voice? - Jim Everyone gets their say, of course. However, we are going backwards on the standards. Something like this has been allowed on tv since the late 70s and early 80s. Most soap operas, nightly dramas, and shows like Baywatch have shown far worse than this introduction. If this gets a fine then we are well on our way to censorship._________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Douva 0 #9 November 18, 2004 Quotequade, don't forget it was after 9pm It was 9pm on the east coast but only 6pm on the west coast. Different times have different rules. NYPD Blue was in an adult time slot. Plus, NYPD Blue is not considered a family show, but Monday Night Football is. I think the spot was probably in poor taste, but I don't think there were any fineable violations. The knee-jerk anti-smut reactions are definitely getting a little old.I don't have an M.D. or a law degree. I have bachelor's in kicking ass and taking names. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zenister 0 #10 November 18, 2004 QuoteApparently we have Taliban-like beliefs now in this country. you mean "fundamentalist"? ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jib 0 #11 November 18, 2004 QuoteHowever, we are going backwards on the standards. Something like this has been allowed on tv since the late 70s and early 80s. Most soap operas, nightly dramas, and shows like Baywatch have shown far worse than this introduction. If this gets a fine then we are well on our way to censorship. I'm not sure you can call censorship deciding what is appropriate on free tv, although I don't think someone's back is all that bad. The pendulum is swinging back to the right after scary things like Dennis Franz' ass on tv. -------------------------------------------------- the depth of his depravity sickens me. -- Jerry Falwell, People v. Larry Flynt Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhreeZone 20 #12 November 18, 2004 Do they really preempt all that days evening broadcasts to show football on the Westcoast? Goes from the news to football back to the news?Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhreeZone 20 #13 November 18, 2004 >The pendulum is swinging back to the right So now you can take away freedoms granted to broadcasters and movies throughout the years? I wonder how long it will take for something like When Harry Met Sally to be deem too inapproriate to be shown on TV since the one scene suggests something about sex. Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #14 November 18, 2004 Any time the government decides what ideas and images you can or can not communicate -- that's censorship. To a -certain- extent they have the public's blessing to do so. What they do NOT have is permission to change the rules on a whim or to suit a specific minority opinion -- especially when it's hypocritical to do so. Again, just go back to my original post. The ideas of sex in promos and ads where and will continue to be closely associated with televised football games.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jib 0 #15 November 18, 2004 QuoteAny time the government decides what ideas and images you can or can not communicate -- that's censorship. No, it's not. Why can't you show hardcore porn on TV? What's the difference? It's because the government can restrict certain types of speech in time, manner and place as long as it is not related to the content/message. There are a ton of channels on cable where you have greater latitude to do what you want. As for a whim, the same could be said for allowing Dennis Franz' ass on tv in the first place. -------------------------------------------------- the depth of his depravity sickens me. -- Jerry Falwell, People v. Larry Flynt Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #16 November 18, 2004 Quote Do they really preempt all that days evening broadcasts to show football on the Westcoast? Goes from the news to football back to the news? Actually, it depends on the TV station in question. Like all the major networks, there are two network news TV feeds; the "live" feed at 6pm eastern (3pm west) and the 6:30 pm "refeed". The refeed is to correct or update anymaterial that didn't make it into the "live" feed. If there is a significant enough story, both feeds will be entirely live. Stations on the east coast take the whichever feed fits into their schedule "live". Stations in locations other than the east coast usually tape the better of the two feeds and broadcast them at the "appropriate" time. KABC in Los Angele, for example, is owned by ABC network -- the station is therefore called and O&O for "owned and operated" station. O&Os have more money and less power when dealing with the network compared with stations owned by people and companies outside the network proper (called affiliates). Affiliate stations can really goof around with the programming schedule a bit if they want to and even show one network at one time of day and another network at other times. O&Os pretty much -have- to follow the orders of the network. In Los Angeles on mondays during football season the "ABC News with Peter Jennings" the network news, might play as early as 3 pm or be played after the game. It all depends on what the network wants them to do. Th regular 8 to 11 prime time schedule is also goofed around with at the descretion of the network. They might air some programs at different times or just blow them off depending on what's important to the guys at ABC programming. So, long story short (yeah, too late I know) what people see on mondays on the ABC network is -vastly- different on the east and west coasts.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #17 November 18, 2004 Did you not read the second sentance?quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jib 0 #18 November 18, 2004 QuoteDid you not read the second sentance? It's has nothing to do with the blessing of the public. It's what the Supreme Court says. As for the blessing of the public, the public elected Bush. There's no right to broadcast what you want. -------------------------------------------------- the depth of his depravity sickens me. -- Jerry Falwell, People v. Larry Flynt Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #19 November 18, 2004 Quote There's no right to broadcast what you want. Correct. We in the business (as well as most people on the planet) call that "censorship".quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jib 0 #20 November 18, 2004 Quade, what is that little piece of paper that allows you in the business to do anything? Oh, a license?? You can broadcast what ever message you want, but you can't swear, you can't show tits, you can't... Censorship is about quashing dissent, not about limiting in time, manner or place certain methods of conveying that message. You can have a sign that says "The right sucks!" But, you can't be naked holding it in the middle of the interstate during rush hour. -------------------------------------------------- the depth of his depravity sickens me. -- Jerry Falwell, People v. Larry Flynt Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ltdiver 3 #21 November 18, 2004 Another article with a different story on what happened and exactly WHO was hopping mad about the incident. Quote Chicago Tribune "I couldn't believe it," Dan Rooney, owner of the Pittsburgh Steelers, told the Los Angeles Times. "It's a disgrace. When they have a football player and they're in a dressing room and they're selling our shield, our product, they've got to have some idea of correctness. It's insensitive. It's inconceivable. "The Janet Jackson thing was bad--I'm not lessening that. This thing was worse." I heard the broadcast of the incident on the way to work this morning. Even on the radio it was -very- skanky in it's tone. ltdiver Don't tell me the sky's the limit when there are footprints on the moon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sundevil777 102 #22 November 18, 2004 I agree, it was skanky. When you tune in to Monday Night Football, you know to expect the cheerleaders and violence. But that was really skanky, I think that is a good way to put it. I don't think it should deserve a fine though, because of the technical details of what was actually shown visually. But public pressure should do enough to discourage this kind of crap in the future. Dennis' ass was also, very, very wrong. People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChasingBlueSky 0 #23 November 18, 2004 Quote>The pendulum is swinging back to the right So now you can take away freedoms granted to broadcasters and movies throughout the years? I wonder how long it will take for something like When Harry Met Sally to be deem too inapproriate to be shown on TV since the one scene suggests something about sex. Or maybe Goonies? They have underage kids swearing, kissing, being shot at, etc. The MPAA considers it a PG movie worthy of being seen by kids with a guardian. Anyone else find it interesting that the network that had stations drop Saving Private Ryan all carried this promo?_________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChasingBlueSky 0 #24 November 18, 2004 QuoteQuade, what is that little piece of paper that allows you in the business to do anything? Oh, a license?? You can broadcast what ever message you want, but you can't swear, you can't show tits, you can't... Censorship is about quashing dissent, not about limiting in time, manner or place certain methods of conveying that message. You can have a sign that says "The right sucks!" But, you can't be naked holding it in the middle of the interstate during rush hour. They didn't do any of that in front of MNF. I just downloaded the ad...and there isn't anything we haven't seen a thousand times already. I promise you, half the stuff shown on day time soaps can reveal more than this._________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peregrinerose 0 #25 November 18, 2004 http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/11/17/nude.newswoman.ap/index.html Here's another one the FCC will have a blast with. Naked ancorwoman. Got lots of ratings though Do or do not, there is no try -Yoda Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
