EBSB52 0 #76 December 16, 2004 QuoteYou know, I've never met a meat eater whose eyes have gone blurry and whose skin and nails have gone brittle and discolored. Man, vegans were the best diet inducement for me at college. Just seeing the sick things they did to themselves curbed my appetite very effectively. Of course, since I skipped lunch on seeing htem, I generally amde up for it by treating myself to a nice big chuck of charred animal flesh, or maybe some boiled alive sea-life. Mmm-mmm good. I could never go Vegan, but have been vegetarian since 87 and I am 220 fairly muscular. Try telling Lawrence Phillips (former Nebraska running back) that vegetarians are pussies, but first let me dissassociate with you so i stay healthy. It's a myth that the lone act of vegetarianism or veganism leads to being anemic. Many Veges are enemic loking, but many are very tough people. There is a hate from the meat-eaters to veges, not sure why, I guess it's because the perception that veges look at them with judgment. As for rebuilding muscles, protein is available from peanuts and beans for starters. And milk is the universal protein fortified with vitamins. I wonder why after a big steak, all a person wants to do is sleep....... cause the ole bod is having a tough time pushing it through the intestines. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EBSB52 0 #77 December 16, 2004 QuotePETA is whacked, no doubt. But, I haven't eaten meat for about 20 years. I stopped not because of how animals are treated, and I still admit that it smells and 'would' taste good. I just find it not appealing to eat for aesthetic reasons I guess. Plus, after reading the Jungle by Upton Sinclair I did some more research and it just is revolting to think of eating it. I don't push my way on others, don't mention it to others unless the subject comes up on its own. It isn't how animals are treated that bothers some that don't eat meat. Ever known someone who just can't stand eating chicken off the bone? This is exactly me. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EBSB52 0 #78 December 16, 2004 QuoteQuoteQuote Actually, I think we're omnivores. http://www.tiscali.co.uk/reference/encyclopaedia/hutchinson/m0006851.html I don't know much about PETA, but aren't they advocating the humane killing of animals, fish etc. rather than actually becoming vegetarian? They advocate militant vegetarianism/veganism. Their leader is a nutjob that has gone on record as saying a baby is no more important than a puppy or a kitten. What a whacko...... everyone knows a puppy is worth more. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites dorbie 0 #79 December 16, 2004 QuoteQuoteFish probably do feel pain, just may not have as much self awareness as people do. Fish may be smart, pigs are smarter. And I still eat bacon. That won't change any time soon. Their whole arguement is just plain silly. People are omnivores, it is that whole circle of life thing. If they are against eating meat, maybe they should try convincing lions that a vegetarian diet is more ethical too. Jen People are omnivores, ... I thought that until I tried to eat raw hamburger like dogs and cats can. I think it's safe to believe, based upon our digestive systems from our teeth to our intestines that we are primary herbivoires. Maybe eat fish raw, but red meat and pork... naw....we die. I've eaten raw meat in the form of rare steak and lived to tell of it, infact it's very tasty, and I'm still alive. I'd never have tried raw fish and would have thought similar things as you do about meat until I tried sushi (sushi wasn't on the menu where I grew up in Scotland). It's also not unreasonable to thing that we may have adapted to all this cooked meat we eat. Evolution doesn't stop just because we're 'civilized'. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites EBSB52 0 #80 December 16, 2004 QuoteThe point is that it is natural for humans to eat meat, just like it is natural for humans to eat plant carcasses. I've seen some pretty fat pigeons in LA, and they aren't exactly getting fat off of carrion. Perhaps our obesity problems are not so much related to what we eat, but the fact that food is readily available and we have to do practically nothing to get it. Furthermore, I wonder if PETA has problems with grains and other foodstuffs that are protected by the wholesale slaughter of rodents. Millions of mice and rats, as well as birds and other insects, die slow and painful deaths from idustrial rodenticides designed to make them slowly dehydrate and bleed to death internally. That is a good argument, but it's the same as saying that ranchers die in the act of raising cattle, truckers are killed in the act of hauling meat to market, and loggers are killed in the act of producing wood, so if a human uses any of those that person must have no regard for other humans. I'm sure you'll poo-poo that idea, but it is very similar; incidental deaths of specific organisms. Our systems can handle both. I do not believe that obesity is linked to too much meat. You're joking, right? Likewise, bears plump up rather nicely regardless of whether they are eating plant or animal. Bears are either eating or sleeping. Also, hybernation reduces the metabolism of stored fat. On top of that, natures little creatures a systematically maimed, killed and tortured via farm equipment used to feed the voracious appetites of our vegetable-loving society. Where does factory farming come in? Lines of hundreds of animals waiting ot die every day at every plant. Those who eat vegetables contribute to this wholesale genocide, and there is no reason why we should not declare war on those who finance this barbarism. Funny parody, but untrue. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites EBSB52 0 #81 December 16, 2004 well actually bill, we are further into the carnivore spectrum than our closest living relatives (chimps and gorillas) and they are omnivores, (although their physiology leans more heavily into the herbivore spectrum). But enough about Bush Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites lawrocket 3 #82 December 16, 2004 QuoteOn top of that, natures little creatures a systematically maimed, killed and tortured via farm equipment used to feed the voracious appetites of our vegetable-loving society. Where does factory farming come in? Lines of hundreds of animals waiting ot die every day at every plant. No, but poor bunny bunny and pwaiwie doggie and cute wittle mousies get caught up in reamers, threshers, and other equipment used to harvest this agriculture. They get hacked to pieces by the thousands. And let's not forget about the wholesale slaughter of insects and other vermin through chemical warfare. Even the fishies in the ponds, lagoons and oceans are suffocated by algae blooms caused by people's lust for plant carcasses. All of those deadly fertilizers sure are yummy to the Alice Algaes and Freddie Fungi of the water, but they destroy the fishies through slow suffocation. This holocaust, brought on by vegetables, should not be ignored... Is your vegetable salad worth the deaths of thousands furry beasts? Is that fruit salad worth the slaughter and suppression of millions of Ceratitis capitata? My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SpeedRacer 1 #83 December 16, 2004 QuoteMaybe eat fish raw, but red meat and pork... naw....we die. not true. many human beings do eat raw meat. Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites dropoutdave 0 #84 December 16, 2004 QuoteIt comes down to finding balance. True that, I sometimes have a smoke whilst doing pull-ups. There's balance for ya. ------------------------------------------------------ May Contain Nut traces...... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites masterrig 1 #85 December 16, 2004 That there, is funny! I actually saw a guy in his sweat-suit, jogging with a can of beer in one hand and a cigarette between his lips! THAT, is balance! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites masterrig 1 #86 December 16, 2004 Yeah! Crawfish, too. A well-placed shot on big game, works! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites justaflygirl 0 #87 December 16, 2004 u got to be shitt'n me, thats hillarous...what are we supposed to live on ? Air? Seriously, isnt this why animals were put on earth to begin with, too be eaten? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 4 Next Page 4 of 4 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0
dorbie 0 #79 December 16, 2004 QuoteQuoteFish probably do feel pain, just may not have as much self awareness as people do. Fish may be smart, pigs are smarter. And I still eat bacon. That won't change any time soon. Their whole arguement is just plain silly. People are omnivores, it is that whole circle of life thing. If they are against eating meat, maybe they should try convincing lions that a vegetarian diet is more ethical too. Jen People are omnivores, ... I thought that until I tried to eat raw hamburger like dogs and cats can. I think it's safe to believe, based upon our digestive systems from our teeth to our intestines that we are primary herbivoires. Maybe eat fish raw, but red meat and pork... naw....we die. I've eaten raw meat in the form of rare steak and lived to tell of it, infact it's very tasty, and I'm still alive. I'd never have tried raw fish and would have thought similar things as you do about meat until I tried sushi (sushi wasn't on the menu where I grew up in Scotland). It's also not unreasonable to thing that we may have adapted to all this cooked meat we eat. Evolution doesn't stop just because we're 'civilized'. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EBSB52 0 #80 December 16, 2004 QuoteThe point is that it is natural for humans to eat meat, just like it is natural for humans to eat plant carcasses. I've seen some pretty fat pigeons in LA, and they aren't exactly getting fat off of carrion. Perhaps our obesity problems are not so much related to what we eat, but the fact that food is readily available and we have to do practically nothing to get it. Furthermore, I wonder if PETA has problems with grains and other foodstuffs that are protected by the wholesale slaughter of rodents. Millions of mice and rats, as well as birds and other insects, die slow and painful deaths from idustrial rodenticides designed to make them slowly dehydrate and bleed to death internally. That is a good argument, but it's the same as saying that ranchers die in the act of raising cattle, truckers are killed in the act of hauling meat to market, and loggers are killed in the act of producing wood, so if a human uses any of those that person must have no regard for other humans. I'm sure you'll poo-poo that idea, but it is very similar; incidental deaths of specific organisms. Our systems can handle both. I do not believe that obesity is linked to too much meat. You're joking, right? Likewise, bears plump up rather nicely regardless of whether they are eating plant or animal. Bears are either eating or sleeping. Also, hybernation reduces the metabolism of stored fat. On top of that, natures little creatures a systematically maimed, killed and tortured via farm equipment used to feed the voracious appetites of our vegetable-loving society. Where does factory farming come in? Lines of hundreds of animals waiting ot die every day at every plant. Those who eat vegetables contribute to this wholesale genocide, and there is no reason why we should not declare war on those who finance this barbarism. Funny parody, but untrue. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EBSB52 0 #81 December 16, 2004 well actually bill, we are further into the carnivore spectrum than our closest living relatives (chimps and gorillas) and they are omnivores, (although their physiology leans more heavily into the herbivore spectrum). But enough about Bush Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #82 December 16, 2004 QuoteOn top of that, natures little creatures a systematically maimed, killed and tortured via farm equipment used to feed the voracious appetites of our vegetable-loving society. Where does factory farming come in? Lines of hundreds of animals waiting ot die every day at every plant. No, but poor bunny bunny and pwaiwie doggie and cute wittle mousies get caught up in reamers, threshers, and other equipment used to harvest this agriculture. They get hacked to pieces by the thousands. And let's not forget about the wholesale slaughter of insects and other vermin through chemical warfare. Even the fishies in the ponds, lagoons and oceans are suffocated by algae blooms caused by people's lust for plant carcasses. All of those deadly fertilizers sure are yummy to the Alice Algaes and Freddie Fungi of the water, but they destroy the fishies through slow suffocation. This holocaust, brought on by vegetables, should not be ignored... Is your vegetable salad worth the deaths of thousands furry beasts? Is that fruit salad worth the slaughter and suppression of millions of Ceratitis capitata? My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #83 December 16, 2004 QuoteMaybe eat fish raw, but red meat and pork... naw....we die. not true. many human beings do eat raw meat. Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dropoutdave 0 #84 December 16, 2004 QuoteIt comes down to finding balance. True that, I sometimes have a smoke whilst doing pull-ups. There's balance for ya. ------------------------------------------------------ May Contain Nut traces...... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterrig 1 #85 December 16, 2004 That there, is funny! I actually saw a guy in his sweat-suit, jogging with a can of beer in one hand and a cigarette between his lips! THAT, is balance! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterrig 1 #86 December 16, 2004 Yeah! Crawfish, too. A well-placed shot on big game, works! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
justaflygirl 0 #87 December 16, 2004 u got to be shitt'n me, thats hillarous...what are we supposed to live on ? Air? Seriously, isnt this why animals were put on earth to begin with, too be eaten? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
