Would you really shoot?

[dtpilot 0]

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Stopping some guy from leaving my house with my TV? Shit no. I can buy another TV. Shout "freeze" and try to intimidate him, but if he bolts for the door then let him go, it ain't worth it.

I agree there. Some people believe if you come into their house the have the right to shoot you. Some get away with it. Like Oklahoma. The wonderful make my day law. Not to up on the law so if someone else knows more, please add. Now if that person stealing my tv turns around and comes toward me then make my day bud.

"Believe me! The secret of reaping the greatest fruitfulness and the greatest enjoyment from life is to live dangerously!"
-- Friedrich Nietzsche

[INSANEDADDY 0]

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I would never carry a gun, but if for some strange reason I found myself with a gun in my hand and my life or my wifes life soon to be taken if I didnt pull the trigger.... "click" would be the next thing heard.

-yoshi

Hey Yoshi, wouldn't it be "BOOM" would be the next thing you heard?

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[AMax 0]

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Sometimes I think that I am asking for trouble just having the gun in my car.

Then lock it up and do not carry it

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If someone was coming at me with the intent to severly hurt me or kill me with a deadly weapon, they would be the dead one.

Pulling a gun and not being able to use it before you get shot might make the situation even worse. Perhaps you should ask yourself if you are ready to use your weapon under serious pressure.

[mardigrasbob 0]

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Is it ok if I just kneecap them?
Never pull a gun unless you intend to use it. Never threaten, never back down. A well trained, acurate, and calm shooter does not have to kill.

I'd just like to be the second to say that a "well trained shooter" knows that's a bunch of BS. Unless you're auditioning for a wild west show or a guest spot on The "A" Team, shoot center of mass every time.

Crap!! I have fired and or disassembled most handguns on the market. If I can see it'I can hit it.
Police and military are trained "center mass, count and fire all cartidges". In a gun fight, or in unfamiliar surroundings-good policy.
But if some drunken asswipe is stealing your car or is using a knife or a club to threaten you at some distance; shoot him in the fricken thigh. No need to kill someone because you are scared. Main thing is don't show it, shoot it!

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[dtpilot 0]

AMax...I know that I could use the weapon to save my life. I just...man I dont know. The gun is...lets say an RSL. There if you need it.

answered my own question

Shoot for the right reason and make the decision fast!!! Second guess yourself and it must be a mistake.

"Believe me! The secret of reaping the greatest fruitfulness and the greatest enjoyment from life is to live dangerously!"
-- Friedrich Nietzsche

[dtpilot 0]

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shoot center of mass every time

Take'm down thats what its all about. shootin in the knee or arm is a mistake and a lawsuit waiting to happen. If they cant talk then they cant stand up for themselves at the trial, right. Center mass is the largest and most deadly part of the body so that is the sweet spot.

Is it true that most bullets will skip around the scull if fired at the head?

"Believe me! The secret of reaping the greatest fruitfulness and the greatest enjoyment from life is to live dangerously!"
-- Friedrich Nietzsche

[Kennedy 0]

To defend myself or my family?
.........Yes. In less than a hearbeat.

To defend my friends?
.........Yes.

To defend another citizen?
.........Maybe, bordering on probably.

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[Douva 0]

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Is it ok if I just kneecap them?
Never pull a gun unless you intend to use it. Never threaten, never back down. A well trained, acurate, and calm shooter does not have to kill.

I'd just like to be the second to say that a "well trained shooter" knows that's a bunch of BS. Unless you're auditioning for a wild west show or a guest spot on The "A" Team, shoot center of mass every time.

Crap!! I have fired and or disassembled most handguns on the market. If I can see it'I can hit it.
Police and military are trained "center mass, count and fire all cartidges". In a gun fight, or in unfamiliar surroundings-good policy.
But if some drunken asswipe is stealing your car or is using a knife or a club to threaten you at some distance; shoot him in the fricken thigh. No need to kill someone because you are scared. Main thing is don't show it, shoot it!

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Well, every legal expert and handgun instructor I know of disagrees with you, but do whatever you're comfortable with.

I don't have an M.D. or a law degree. I have bachelor's in kicking ass and taking names.

[Kennedy 0]

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Police and military are trained "center mass, count and fire all cartidges". In a gun fight, or in unfamiliar surroundings-good policy.

Yes, it is.

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But if some drunken asswipe is stealing your car or is using a knife or a club to threaten you at some distance; shoot him in the fricken thigh. No need to kill someone because you are scared.

No. If you shoot someone without being in direct fear of death/GBH, then you just commited aggrivated assault in most states.

If he is not a threat to your life, why in God's name would you shoot him?

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Main thing is don't show it, shoot it!

Wrong. If showing it is enough to scare some criminal POS into running away, then GREAT!! File a police report and go home safe.

Most defensive gun uses in the USA only have the gun drawn/brandished, never shot. This results in the criminal fleeing.

Problem solved, and everybody gets to wake up tomorrow.
Sounds good to me.

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[AggieDave 6]

Here's a few rules.

1. If you have doubt that you would shoot to defend your life or the lives of your family, don't carry.

2. If you think you'll shoot to "disarm" and not just shoot, don't carry.

3. If you don't work to become VERY proficient and stay that way, don't carry.


I recommend joining a local IDPA club to really build the skills you will need for conceal carry and defending your life with your weapon.

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Main thing is don't show it, shoot it!

Wrong. If showing it is enough to scare some criminal POS into running away, then GREAT!! File a police report and go home safe.

Most defensive gun uses in the USA only have the gun drawn/brandished, never shot. This results in the criminal fleeing.

Problem solved, and everybody gets to wake up tomorrow.
Sounds good to me.

How far away does he have to be before you wait and see if he runs in the opposite direction instead of closing the gap?

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Thanks Aggie, Those questions tell it all. Thanks man.

"Believe me! The secret of reaping the greatest fruitfulness and the greatest enjoyment from life is to live dangerously!"
-- Friedrich Nietzsche

[BlindBrick 0]

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I agree there. Some people believe if you come into their house the have the right to shoot you. Some get away with it. Like Oklahoma. The wonderful make my day law. Not to up on the law so if someone else knows more, please add.

The "make my day" law only applies if you have reason to feel threatened. Someone running away with your valuables would probably not be ok, unless it was something essential like medicines or an medical oxygen tank.

In a perfect world, it would be left at that. Unfortunately, OK is largely rural with response time from law enforcement measured in 10's of minutes. Because of that, and the unpredictability of someone willing to break into an occupied house, it's not uncommon for rural law enforcement to tell people to shoot an intruder and then drop an untraceable knife (like a boxcutter) next to the intruder's body.

As for using a gun. About ten years ago, some in-laws had a falling out with my parents. Things escalated to the point that they killed one of my parents' dog's and hung it from a tree in the drive. My dad wroked nights, and my mom asked me to come watch over the place while he was at work.

About three in the morning, I heard some rustling around outside. I went to investigate and saw some bushes moving around. I shined my light on the bushes and ordered whoever it was to come out.

I heard sounds of running and by that and the way the bushes were rattling, I could tell that I was being rushed. Things happened very quickly then. I drew and layed my shooting wrist over the wrist with the light. I then flicked off the safety, moved my trigger finger from the side of the gun, onto the trigger and began to tighten. Thankfully my gun has a long pull, and I had time to realize that I was being charged by a hungry calf rather than a person.

Makes for an amusing story, but it did confirm to me that I could pull the trigger if the time came.

-Blind

"If you end up in an alligator's jaws, naked, you probably did something to deserve it."

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How far away does he have to be before you wait and see if he runs in the opposite direction instead of closing the gap?

The scenario I was responding to, as created by MGBob, involved someone threatening you with a contact weapon "at some distance."

If he is stationary and runs away or backs down when I present from holster, I'm not going to shoot him. He has removed himself from imminent threat status (doesn't mean the gun is going away or that I trust him, just that I'm not going to shoot).

Distance is always my friend. I back up regardless (unless physically unable to do so). If he is closing with me at all, he is about to get shot.

If he is stationary, I wait. If he backs away, I wait. If he closes, I begin to squeeeeeeeeze.



Seven yards is the convenient standard. Anyone actively attacking you from there or within is presenting you with a threat of death/GBH. Anyone presenting me with a threat of death/GBH will take two, at least.

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[AggieDave 6]

No problem bro, those were the guidelines I set for myself, but then again, I had motivation going into my license. I had someone pull a gun on me before and I have since had to draw my weapon. Luckily for me, the perp turned and ran as the slack was pulled on the trigger, so I let him run away (possibly having learned a lesson).

To help get myself on the road to very proficent I have shot well over 20,000rds the past 3 years and have taken a tactical defense course. I'm now getting involved with the IDPA, and went to a practice match on Sunday. I shot resonably well, came in 5th at the practice meet, BUT I have soooo much to practice on and learn still it makes me feel like an absolute beginner.

If you're not familure with the IDPA, its a "stock service handgun" league that sets up different scenerios to shoot in that are timed and are scored according to accuracy. You will learn a LOT and you'll find your skills building FAST. I know that in one day of shooting I learned a lot and my skillset increased quite a bit.

http://www.idpa.com

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[AggieDave 6]

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. Someone running away with your valuables would probably not be ok, unless it was something essential like medicines or an medical oxygen tank

In TX (as well as some other states) its perfectly legal to shoot that person, since the law states that its ok to protect yourself AND your property. I'd have a hard time shooting someone if they're running away with my TV, but it would still be legal.


The moral of the story is check your state's laws and KNOW your state's law very well.

--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline."

[gmanpilot 0]

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A well trained, acurate, and calm shooter does not have to kill.

History shows that a well trained, accurate, and calm shooter will do precisely what he trains to do. If every time you go to the range, all you do are six shot rhythm drills from the holster, that's what you will do in a real situation.

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[pajarito 0]

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So would you really shoot if the time came?

If the situation dictated that I should and would be justified in doing so, absolutely. Without question in my mind.

[akarunway 1]

In a New York second. And I have. Guy broke in the house and attacked me and mine. He's lucky he's alive. Cops said I had every right to kill him. And when it goes down, it goes down FAST.

I hold it true, whate'er befall;
I feel it, when I sorrow most;
'Tis better to have loved and lost
Than never to have loved at all.

[Zenister 0]

lesson 1.

never point a firearm at anything you are not prepared to kill...

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[D22369 0]

I have had my carry license for about 8 months now and still can't give myself a straight answer ***

then let it lapse, if you cannot answer "yes" positively to defend yourself or family, then you have no biz packing a weapon you will not use..... hesitation will get you killed - then there will be another criminal with your weapon walking the street.....

to answer your question: Yes, I would rather be judged by a jury than be dead.

Roy

They say I suffer from insanity.... But I actually enjoy it.

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lesson 1.

never point a firearm at anything you are not prepared to kill...

You a good man, Zen.

Peace,
Z

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[peacefuljeffrey 0]

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Ok this is a question aimed at those with concealed carry licenses but feel free to answer anyways.

So would you really shoot if the time came? I have had my carry license for about 8 months now and still can't give myself a straight answer to whether or not I would pull the trigger in a deserving situation. It is a split second decision to make a mistake or to save your life. One puts you in jail for the rest of your life and the other allows you to take another breath in freedom.

So try and help me out here and give me something to work off...would you pull the trigger?

I think that yes, I could make that decision, and if my life were truly threatened, I would pull the trigger.

Why on earth wouldn't I? Isn't your example set up as a tautology: To shoot is to save your own life. Where's the question?

-Jeffrey

-Jeffrey
"With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!"

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I would never carry a gun, but if for some strange reason I found myself with a gun in my hand and my life or my wifes life soon to be taken if I didnt pull the trigger.... "click" would be the next thing heard.

-yoshi

You'd use the decocking lever and lower the hammer without firing?

I find it interesting that people are saying they'd never own/carry a gun, but then they say without equivocation that they would use one to save the life of their spouse or themself. What I can't understand is, in light of such statements, why these people are so opposed to owning guns since they obviously understand the utility of them.

-Jeffrey

-Jeffrey
"With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!"

[peacefuljeffrey 0]

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So try and help me out here and give me something to work off...would you pull the trigger?

I might just pull it if I see one more dumbass gun thread!! Would everyone just chill with the guns already. They are weapons, like this thread and the others and you're KILLING us with it!!!

Sounds like someone needs to spend more time in Bonfire and less time in Speakers Corner.

Why do people complain about gun threads rather than just refrain from reading them??

And why do they use their own personal distaste for them as an excuse to tell others what they should or should not care/post/read about??

-Jeffrey

-Jeffrey
"With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!"