storm1977 0 #1 November 12, 2004 I just got this as a forward from a friend..... It is a joke obviously, but if the numbers are right, that is an extremely low number of accidental shootings annually. -------------------------------------- Dr. Russell T. Newman English Department 201D Leonard Hall Indiana University of Pennsylvania Indiana, PA 15705 (724) 357-3970 A. The number of physicians in the US is 700,000. B. Accidental deaths caused by Physicians per year is 120,000. C. Accidental deaths per physician is 0.171. (US Dept. of Health &Human Services) Then think about this: a. The number of gun owners in the US is 80,000,000 (yes, eighty-million)! b. The number of accidental gun deaths per year (all age groups) is 1,500. c The number of accidental deaths per gun owner is 0.000188. Statistically, then, doctors are about 9,000 times more dangerous than gun owners FACT: NOT EVERYONE HAS A GUN, BUT ALMOST EVERYONE HAS A DOCTOR. Alert your friends to this threat. We must ban doctors before this gets out of hand!! As a public health measure, I have withheld the statistics on lawyers, (for fear that the shock could cause people to seek medical attention) ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Paulipod 0 #2 November 12, 2004 I have seen this before.... and would still be curious if 1 in 7 of your doctors accidentally kills someone EVERY year! But who knows Bodyflight Bedford www.bodyflight.co.uk Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
storm1977 0 #3 November 12, 2004 I am sure it is not 1 in 7, but mabe a few of them killed more than 1 per year, some of them none!!!! ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #4 November 12, 2004 I think the statistic if true, says more about your average doctor than gun ownership..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #5 November 12, 2004 QuoteI think the statistic if true, says more about your average doctor than gun ownership..... I think it says less about the average doctor and more about risks of medicine in general. Medicine is not easy, is as much art as it is science, and whatever science there is is imperfect. When your business is life and death, there's a lot of life, and plenty of death. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kennedy 0 #6 November 12, 2004 Quoteif the numbers are right, that is an extremely low number of accidental shootings annually. The numbers are close. It is true, there are very few accidental gun deaths each year. In fact, the number has been going down every year since some time in the 1930s, iirc.witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
screwball 0 #7 November 12, 2004 I has seen this post on several gun forums. I think some of the numbers are true. I think some have been stretch a little. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,560 #8 November 12, 2004 Look at this, and consider how angry people are that there are medical malpractice attorneys. Just an observation. I still don't bring a gun to the doctor's office Wendy W.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,090 #9 November 12, 2004 >I still don't bring a gun to the doctor's office. Sheep! (or, in your case, - ewe!) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kennedy 0 #10 November 12, 2004 I don't bring one to the doctor's office either. I just try to avoid doctors as much as possible.witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
storm1977 0 #11 November 12, 2004 I don't mind there are medical malpractice lawyers... I do mind that there are 1000's of frivolous malpractice lawsuits every year with even more ridiculous payouts. I think there should be a cap on what you can get for damages. Let's pretend patient A has the wrong finger accidentally amputated due to Doctor negligence. I don't think the patient should be awarded 100million. Even if he/she is a proffessional pianist!!! IMO of course ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
livendive 8 #12 November 12, 2004 QuoteC. Accidental deaths per physician is 0.171. (US Dept. of Health &Human Services) ... c The number of accidental deaths per gun owner is 0.000188. Statistically, then, doctors are about 9,000 times more dangerous than gun owners Intentional deaths (as opposed to accidental) have no bearing on how dangerous a person or group of people is? Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
storm1977 0 #13 November 12, 2004 QuoteIntentional deaths (as opposed to accidental) have no bearing on how dangerous a person or group of people is? Intentional deaths is a different Animal. Murder is done by a person with looking to harm and using some tool whether it is a knife, gun, or his/her own hands. Again.... Guns don't kill people.... People kill people! ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
livendive 8 #14 November 12, 2004 QuoteQuoteIntentional deaths (as opposed to accidental) have no bearing on how dangerous a person or group of people is? Intentional deaths is a different Animal. Murder is done by a person with looking to harm and using some tool whether it is a knife, gun, or his/her own hands. Again.... Guns don't kill people.... People kill people! I agree that people kill people, regardless of what weapon they choose to accomplish that task. However the data listed are used to support a contention that doctors are 9000 times more dangerous than gun owners, yet only accidental deaths are used to arrive at that conclusion. In determining how dangerous a group of people is, intentional deaths caused by that group should not be ignored (unless of course there is an additional contention that murderers aren't dangerous.) Gang members often times own guns. They sometimes use those guns. It's more than likely that the number of people intentionally killed by those guns is dramatically higher than the number of people accidentally killed by those guns. But that doesn't make those people (a subset of the group "gun owners") less dangerous. Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
screwball 0 #15 November 12, 2004 A gun owner and a gang member are two diffrent things. A gun owner is a person who legally buys a firearm. When you start talking about gang members you are talking about a group of people who did not legally purchase/ abtain thier firearms and legaly should not have them to start with. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #16 November 12, 2004 Quote I agree that people kill people, regardless of what weapon they choose to accomplish that task. However the data listed are used to support a contention that doctors are 9000 times more dangerous than gun owners, yet only accidental deaths are used to arrive at that conclusion. Even if intentionals and suicides are brought in, doctors are still far more dangerous....BY THIS SILLY LINE OF REASONING. People who go to the doctor usually are ill. Ill people can die. I suspect more of the cases of this are ones where the doctor did not make the correct diagnosis rather than ones where he cut out the patient's lungs by mistake. It's a lot easier to avoid accidentally shooting someone than it is to know what's wrong with an overweight, middle ages woman. And while our accidental gun death incident counts continues a constant downward trend, it's still much higher than numerous countries' entire gun death count. Not sure it's something to take much pride in. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #17 November 13, 2004 QuoteLook at this, and consider how angry people are that there are medical malpractice attorneys. Just an observation. I still don't bring a gun to the doctor's office Wendy W. LOL I needed that"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peacefuljeffrey 0 #18 November 13, 2004 QuoteI don't bring one to the doctor's office either. I just try to avoid doctors as much as possible. I do. Why wouldn't I? I drive 10 miles across several towns to get to the doctor's office. I drive home. I may be out at the doctor's office during the course of an entire day spent around town in various situations. What is the problem? Is a doctor's office sacrosanct? Not to be sullied by evil guns? Is there some special thing about a day spent going to the doctor, that means nothing can happen to me where a gun might save my life? -Jeffrey-Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peacefuljeffrey 0 #19 November 13, 2004 QuoteQuoteC. Accidental deaths per physician is 0.171. (US Dept. of Health &Human Services) ... c The number of accidental deaths per gun owner is 0.000188. Statistically, then, doctors are about 9,000 times more dangerous than gun owners Intentional deaths (as opposed to accidental) have no bearing on how dangerous a person or group of people is? Blues, Dave Okay, ALL annual gun deaths in the U.S. total about 30,000. Put that over either number: the 250,000,000 guns privately owned, or the 80,000,000 gun owners, and you still get a terrifically small percentage of guns/gun owners involved in death. -Jeffrey-Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kennedy 0 #20 November 13, 2004 I don't carry to the doc's office because I'm back in New Jersey. Otherwise I would absolutely carry because the Doc in a Box that I used to go to had more seedy characters than the worst neighborhoods I traveled through.witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest #21 November 13, 2004 QuoteQuoteI think the statistic if true, says more about your average doctor than gun ownership..... I think it says less about the average doctor and more about risks of medicine in general. Medicine is not easy, is as much art as it is science, and whatever science there is is imperfect. When your business is life and death, there's a lot of life, and plenty of death. I think it says more about how a lack of critical-thinking ability can cloud one's judgement. mh . Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peacefuljeffrey 0 #22 November 13, 2004 QuoteI don't carry to the doc's office because I'm back in New Jersey. Otherwise I would absolutely carry because the Doc in a Box that I used to go to had more seedy characters than the worst neighborhoods I traveled through. I'm waiting for you to be told that you should modify your patterns and behavior if you're so worried about the crowd in your doctor's office. Just how irresponsible are you, dude?! You trying to bait someone into making you have to shoot him?! -Jeffrey-Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
