PhillyKev 0 #1 November 10, 2004 Is anyone else as amazed as me that this guy held the 2nd most powerful postion in the country for four years???? In his hand written resignation letter to Bush... "The objective of securing the safety of Americans from crime and terror has been achieved. " Whew...we're all safe now...thanks Mr. Ashcroft. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pajarito 0 #2 November 10, 2004 Well, aside from the anthrax letter attack that followed shortly after 9-11, there hasn't been one single terrorist attack on our soil. That's not to say it's over or that we’re out of danger and I'm pretty sure Ashcroft wouldn't say that either. However, it speaks as a huge accomplishment on his part. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #3 November 10, 2004 Oh shit....I just had a horrid thought. Maybe he resigned to free his time for the supreme court nomination from Bush... AHHHH AHHHHH AHHHHHH!!!!!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #4 November 10, 2004 How many times do I have to tell you. I banged pots and pans together every night to stop terrorism. Where are my accolades? Please, so we haven't had a terrorist attack (other than one) in the last 3 years. Whoopdie friggin doo. Do you actually think that equates to "The objective of securing the safety of Americans from crime and terror has been achieved. " ???? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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PhillyKev 0 #6 November 10, 2004 Yes, I want my credit damnit!!! I can't fry eggs anymore because the bottom of all my pans are dented. Seriously though. Having Ashcroft out of that office was one of my primary reasons for opposing Bush. Now if he would just get rid of Rumsfeld and Wolfowitz, I might actually start to like the guy. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Airman1270 0 #7 November 10, 2004 QuoteYes, I want my credit damnit!!! I can't fry eggs anymore because the bottom of all my pans are dented... _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ Hee hee... This has got to be one of the funniest lines I've heard in a long time in a public policy debate. It ranks up there with a comment made by a State House candidate during an interview here at the radio station. The guy (a Democrat, no less) described the recently-expired "assault weapons" ban as "a ban on ugly guns." Cheers, Jon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites nacmacfeegle 0 #8 November 10, 2004 "Now if he would just get rid of Rumsfeld and Wolfowitz, I might actually start to like the guy." Careful what you wish for, the news we are seeing over here is that Rummy and possibly Wolfowitz are likely to go soon. Dunno if this tallies with what you guys suspect, its all I got... http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/in_depth/americas/2004/vote_usa_2004/administration_guide/default.stm-------------------- He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me. Thomas Jefferson Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites pajarito 0 #9 November 10, 2004 QuoteI might actually start to like the guy. No you won't. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites PhillyKev 0 #10 November 10, 2004 I gave myself an out with "might". Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites quade 4 #11 November 10, 2004 Ashcroft was a fuck weasle from day one. You could tell when he started covering statues that the boy just wasn't right in the head. While virtually all of the GWB uppper level folks will submit resignations (it's part of the protocol) how quickly they're accepted is the telling moment. The whole protocol is designed as a win-win for all parties, but I think the rapidity of this one proves how much he was disliked not just outside, but also inside the Administration.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites PhillyKev 0 #12 November 10, 2004 Well....leading contender doesn't look to be much better. Welcome Alberto Gonzales, the man who drafted the memo outlining when the torture of terrorist suspects would be permissable. Ugghhh....Mr. Bush, you really know how to pick em. http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=615&e=1&u=/nm/20041110/pl_nm/bush_cabinet_dc Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites TheAnvil 0 #13 November 10, 2004 I was hoping Mr. Gonzoles would be a SCOTUS nominee. Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,131 #14 November 10, 2004 >there hasn't been one single terrorist attack on our soil. And there haven't been any Cuban missile crises or Mexican invasions either; but that's not really much of an accomplishment. There have been significant terrorist attacks against US soil every 8-15 years - that means if he made zero improvements there will be another one in 2009. I think it's a little too early to claim success. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites pajarito 0 #15 November 10, 2004 Quote>there hasn't been one single terrorist attack on our soil. And there haven't been any Cuban missile crises or Mexican invasions either; but that's not really much of an accomplishment. There have been significant terrorist attacks against US soil every 8-15 years - that means if he made zero improvements there will be another one in 2009. I think it's a little too early to claim success. Whatever dude. I think the security of the US with regard to terrorist attack specifically during this term of service following 9-11 is rellevant to measuring his success or failure. I mean, that's a big part of his job these days, right? Anyway, it's a resignation letter. You should celebrate! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites lawrocket 3 #16 November 10, 2004 QuoteI was hoping Mr. Gonzoles would be a SCOTUS nominee. I'm not, Vinnie. The whole administration's actions with regard to the torture issue and Geneva Convention left me pretty soured. It was the "Criminal Defense Attorney" approach of finding exceptions and loopholes sufficient to gut the law. And not just the torture law, but the rules regarding right to counsel and due process. This sort of thing has me worried, Vin. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites 78RATS 0 #17 November 10, 2004 Quote Ashcroft was a fuck weasle from day one.[ /reply] Why do you say this? Rat for Life - Fly till I die When them stupid ass bitches ask why Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites quade 4 #18 November 10, 2004 http://www.rotten.com/library/bio/usa/john-ashcroft/ http://dossiers.genfoods.net/ashcroft.htmlquade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites pajarito 0 #19 November 10, 2004 QuoteQuote Ashcroft was a fuck weasle from day one.[ /reply] Why do you say this? Don't know but it sounds like he's been listening to PeacefulJeffrey too much. "Fuck weasle." Now that's a very creative name. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ChasingBlueSky 0 #20 November 10, 2004 QuoteWell, aside from the anthrax letter attack that followed shortly after 9-11, there hasn't been one single terrorist attack on our soil. That's not to say it's over or that we’re out of danger and I'm pretty sure Ashcroft wouldn't say that either. However, it speaks as a huge accomplishment on his part. Thank god the terrorists works on your and Ashcrofts time table! Terrorism has not stopped on a global level. Therefore, since it is still there in the rest of the world, we are not safe here at home. This thought goes up there with "winning the war" against terrorism. Really? What hill did we place a flag on that will defeat the mindset that wants to terrorize us into submission (not take over our country)? This is a battle without borders, and you have to find a way to effect change in the thought process of those most likely to become extremists. Killing off thousands of innocent children and other civilians is counter productive to securing the safety of our homeland._________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites pajarito 0 #21 November 10, 2004 That's awsome! You quote seriously from a site called "rotten.com." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites pajarito 0 #22 November 10, 2004 Sounds like you've already given up in your mind and accepted defeat. I'm glad someone like that isn't in charge. Sounds kind of like Madonna. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites quade 4 #23 November 10, 2004 Quote That's awsome! You quote seriously from a site called "rotten.com." It was the quickest link I had. I don't have a dossier filled with URLs on everyone (or anyone) so yeah, it was a cop out to send you there, HOWEVER . . . from what I read there that web site is pretty accurate to the events I remember about Ashcroft. If you really want a detailed and annotated analysis of his life, sorry but I'm actually working right now and this will hafta hold ya for a couple of weeks, but Ashcroft is not just an asshat from the point of view of the Democratic party but the Admisintration as well. The only reason he wasn't fired in the first term is because that would have been an admission of a mistake by the Administration for putting him there to begin with.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ChasingBlueSky 0 #24 November 10, 2004 QuoteSounds like you've already given up in your mind and accepted defeat. I'm glad someone like that isn't in charge. Sounds kind of like Madonna. You mean I sound like someone that thinks out of the box instead of with just a gun? How many years of the same mistakes do our administrations need to make before they wake up? A lot of the "leadership" decisions this and past presidents have made have brought us to this point in history. You seem like a smart guy and should be able to understand that without examples. Taking another route is not giving up - it's being smart and looking out for the future. I guess I am thinking long term security instead of just three years. Wow, how foolish is that??? Do I have the answer? Nope, but I am willing to force the issue that what we are doing is not working. If you think the America is safe because of three years of quiet just on our shores, then you are mistaken. It wouldn't take much for a Spain or Bali to happen here again. Hell, those could even be practice runs for another shot on our country. 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nacmacfeegle 0 #8 November 10, 2004 "Now if he would just get rid of Rumsfeld and Wolfowitz, I might actually start to like the guy." Careful what you wish for, the news we are seeing over here is that Rummy and possibly Wolfowitz are likely to go soon. Dunno if this tallies with what you guys suspect, its all I got... http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/in_depth/americas/2004/vote_usa_2004/administration_guide/default.stm-------------------- He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me. Thomas Jefferson Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pajarito 0 #9 November 10, 2004 QuoteI might actually start to like the guy. No you won't. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #10 November 10, 2004 I gave myself an out with "might". Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #11 November 10, 2004 Ashcroft was a fuck weasle from day one. You could tell when he started covering statues that the boy just wasn't right in the head. While virtually all of the GWB uppper level folks will submit resignations (it's part of the protocol) how quickly they're accepted is the telling moment. The whole protocol is designed as a win-win for all parties, but I think the rapidity of this one proves how much he was disliked not just outside, but also inside the Administration.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #12 November 10, 2004 Well....leading contender doesn't look to be much better. Welcome Alberto Gonzales, the man who drafted the memo outlining when the torture of terrorist suspects would be permissable. Ugghhh....Mr. Bush, you really know how to pick em. http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=615&e=1&u=/nm/20041110/pl_nm/bush_cabinet_dc Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheAnvil 0 #13 November 10, 2004 I was hoping Mr. Gonzoles would be a SCOTUS nominee. Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,131 #14 November 10, 2004 >there hasn't been one single terrorist attack on our soil. And there haven't been any Cuban missile crises or Mexican invasions either; but that's not really much of an accomplishment. There have been significant terrorist attacks against US soil every 8-15 years - that means if he made zero improvements there will be another one in 2009. I think it's a little too early to claim success. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pajarito 0 #15 November 10, 2004 Quote>there hasn't been one single terrorist attack on our soil. And there haven't been any Cuban missile crises or Mexican invasions either; but that's not really much of an accomplishment. There have been significant terrorist attacks against US soil every 8-15 years - that means if he made zero improvements there will be another one in 2009. I think it's a little too early to claim success. Whatever dude. I think the security of the US with regard to terrorist attack specifically during this term of service following 9-11 is rellevant to measuring his success or failure. I mean, that's a big part of his job these days, right? Anyway, it's a resignation letter. You should celebrate! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites lawrocket 3 #16 November 10, 2004 QuoteI was hoping Mr. Gonzoles would be a SCOTUS nominee. I'm not, Vinnie. The whole administration's actions with regard to the torture issue and Geneva Convention left me pretty soured. It was the "Criminal Defense Attorney" approach of finding exceptions and loopholes sufficient to gut the law. And not just the torture law, but the rules regarding right to counsel and due process. This sort of thing has me worried, Vin. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites 78RATS 0 #17 November 10, 2004 Quote Ashcroft was a fuck weasle from day one.[ /reply] Why do you say this? Rat for Life - Fly till I die When them stupid ass bitches ask why Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites quade 4 #18 November 10, 2004 http://www.rotten.com/library/bio/usa/john-ashcroft/ http://dossiers.genfoods.net/ashcroft.htmlquade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites pajarito 0 #19 November 10, 2004 QuoteQuote Ashcroft was a fuck weasle from day one.[ /reply] Why do you say this? Don't know but it sounds like he's been listening to PeacefulJeffrey too much. "Fuck weasle." Now that's a very creative name. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ChasingBlueSky 0 #20 November 10, 2004 QuoteWell, aside from the anthrax letter attack that followed shortly after 9-11, there hasn't been one single terrorist attack on our soil. That's not to say it's over or that we’re out of danger and I'm pretty sure Ashcroft wouldn't say that either. However, it speaks as a huge accomplishment on his part. Thank god the terrorists works on your and Ashcrofts time table! Terrorism has not stopped on a global level. Therefore, since it is still there in the rest of the world, we are not safe here at home. This thought goes up there with "winning the war" against terrorism. Really? What hill did we place a flag on that will defeat the mindset that wants to terrorize us into submission (not take over our country)? This is a battle without borders, and you have to find a way to effect change in the thought process of those most likely to become extremists. Killing off thousands of innocent children and other civilians is counter productive to securing the safety of our homeland._________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites pajarito 0 #21 November 10, 2004 That's awsome! You quote seriously from a site called "rotten.com." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites pajarito 0 #22 November 10, 2004 Sounds like you've already given up in your mind and accepted defeat. I'm glad someone like that isn't in charge. Sounds kind of like Madonna. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites quade 4 #23 November 10, 2004 Quote That's awsome! You quote seriously from a site called "rotten.com." It was the quickest link I had. I don't have a dossier filled with URLs on everyone (or anyone) so yeah, it was a cop out to send you there, HOWEVER . . . from what I read there that web site is pretty accurate to the events I remember about Ashcroft. If you really want a detailed and annotated analysis of his life, sorry but I'm actually working right now and this will hafta hold ya for a couple of weeks, but Ashcroft is not just an asshat from the point of view of the Democratic party but the Admisintration as well. The only reason he wasn't fired in the first term is because that would have been an admission of a mistake by the Administration for putting him there to begin with.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ChasingBlueSky 0 #24 November 10, 2004 QuoteSounds like you've already given up in your mind and accepted defeat. I'm glad someone like that isn't in charge. Sounds kind of like Madonna. You mean I sound like someone that thinks out of the box instead of with just a gun? How many years of the same mistakes do our administrations need to make before they wake up? A lot of the "leadership" decisions this and past presidents have made have brought us to this point in history. You seem like a smart guy and should be able to understand that without examples. Taking another route is not giving up - it's being smart and looking out for the future. I guess I am thinking long term security instead of just three years. Wow, how foolish is that??? Do I have the answer? Nope, but I am willing to force the issue that what we are doing is not working. If you think the America is safe because of three years of quiet just on our shores, then you are mistaken. It wouldn't take much for a Spain or Bali to happen here again. Hell, those could even be practice runs for another shot on our country. The world is much less safe now than it was three years ago._________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Jimbo 0 #25 November 10, 2004 QuoteThe only reason he wasn't fired in the first term is because that would have been an admission of a mistake by the Administration for putting him there to begin with. You glean that from your mind-meld with the President? - Jim"Like" - The modern day comma Good bye, my friends. You are missed. 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lawrocket 3 #16 November 10, 2004 QuoteI was hoping Mr. Gonzoles would be a SCOTUS nominee. I'm not, Vinnie. The whole administration's actions with regard to the torture issue and Geneva Convention left me pretty soured. It was the "Criminal Defense Attorney" approach of finding exceptions and loopholes sufficient to gut the law. And not just the torture law, but the rules regarding right to counsel and due process. This sort of thing has me worried, Vin. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
78RATS 0 #17 November 10, 2004 Quote Ashcroft was a fuck weasle from day one.[ /reply] Why do you say this? Rat for Life - Fly till I die When them stupid ass bitches ask why Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites quade 4 #18 November 10, 2004 http://www.rotten.com/library/bio/usa/john-ashcroft/ http://dossiers.genfoods.net/ashcroft.htmlquade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites pajarito 0 #19 November 10, 2004 QuoteQuote Ashcroft was a fuck weasle from day one.[ /reply] Why do you say this? Don't know but it sounds like he's been listening to PeacefulJeffrey too much. "Fuck weasle." Now that's a very creative name. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ChasingBlueSky 0 #20 November 10, 2004 QuoteWell, aside from the anthrax letter attack that followed shortly after 9-11, there hasn't been one single terrorist attack on our soil. That's not to say it's over or that we’re out of danger and I'm pretty sure Ashcroft wouldn't say that either. However, it speaks as a huge accomplishment on his part. Thank god the terrorists works on your and Ashcrofts time table! Terrorism has not stopped on a global level. Therefore, since it is still there in the rest of the world, we are not safe here at home. This thought goes up there with "winning the war" against terrorism. Really? What hill did we place a flag on that will defeat the mindset that wants to terrorize us into submission (not take over our country)? This is a battle without borders, and you have to find a way to effect change in the thought process of those most likely to become extremists. Killing off thousands of innocent children and other civilians is counter productive to securing the safety of our homeland._________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites pajarito 0 #21 November 10, 2004 That's awsome! You quote seriously from a site called "rotten.com." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites pajarito 0 #22 November 10, 2004 Sounds like you've already given up in your mind and accepted defeat. I'm glad someone like that isn't in charge. Sounds kind of like Madonna. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites quade 4 #23 November 10, 2004 Quote That's awsome! You quote seriously from a site called "rotten.com." It was the quickest link I had. I don't have a dossier filled with URLs on everyone (or anyone) so yeah, it was a cop out to send you there, HOWEVER . . . from what I read there that web site is pretty accurate to the events I remember about Ashcroft. If you really want a detailed and annotated analysis of his life, sorry but I'm actually working right now and this will hafta hold ya for a couple of weeks, but Ashcroft is not just an asshat from the point of view of the Democratic party but the Admisintration as well. The only reason he wasn't fired in the first term is because that would have been an admission of a mistake by the Administration for putting him there to begin with.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ChasingBlueSky 0 #24 November 10, 2004 QuoteSounds like you've already given up in your mind and accepted defeat. I'm glad someone like that isn't in charge. Sounds kind of like Madonna. You mean I sound like someone that thinks out of the box instead of with just a gun? How many years of the same mistakes do our administrations need to make before they wake up? A lot of the "leadership" decisions this and past presidents have made have brought us to this point in history. You seem like a smart guy and should be able to understand that without examples. Taking another route is not giving up - it's being smart and looking out for the future. I guess I am thinking long term security instead of just three years. Wow, how foolish is that??? Do I have the answer? Nope, but I am willing to force the issue that what we are doing is not working. If you think the America is safe because of three years of quiet just on our shores, then you are mistaken. It wouldn't take much for a Spain or Bali to happen here again. Hell, those could even be practice runs for another shot on our country. The world is much less safe now than it was three years ago._________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Jimbo 0 #25 November 10, 2004 QuoteThe only reason he wasn't fired in the first term is because that would have been an admission of a mistake by the Administration for putting him there to begin with. You glean that from your mind-meld with the President? - Jim"Like" - The modern day comma Good bye, my friends. You are missed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. 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quade 4 #18 November 10, 2004 http://www.rotten.com/library/bio/usa/john-ashcroft/ http://dossiers.genfoods.net/ashcroft.htmlquade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pajarito 0 #19 November 10, 2004 QuoteQuote Ashcroft was a fuck weasle from day one.[ /reply] Why do you say this? Don't know but it sounds like he's been listening to PeacefulJeffrey too much. "Fuck weasle." Now that's a very creative name. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ChasingBlueSky 0 #20 November 10, 2004 QuoteWell, aside from the anthrax letter attack that followed shortly after 9-11, there hasn't been one single terrorist attack on our soil. That's not to say it's over or that we’re out of danger and I'm pretty sure Ashcroft wouldn't say that either. However, it speaks as a huge accomplishment on his part. Thank god the terrorists works on your and Ashcrofts time table! Terrorism has not stopped on a global level. Therefore, since it is still there in the rest of the world, we are not safe here at home. This thought goes up there with "winning the war" against terrorism. Really? What hill did we place a flag on that will defeat the mindset that wants to terrorize us into submission (not take over our country)? This is a battle without borders, and you have to find a way to effect change in the thought process of those most likely to become extremists. Killing off thousands of innocent children and other civilians is counter productive to securing the safety of our homeland._________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites pajarito 0 #21 November 10, 2004 That's awsome! You quote seriously from a site called "rotten.com." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites pajarito 0 #22 November 10, 2004 Sounds like you've already given up in your mind and accepted defeat. I'm glad someone like that isn't in charge. Sounds kind of like Madonna. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites quade 4 #23 November 10, 2004 Quote That's awsome! You quote seriously from a site called "rotten.com." It was the quickest link I had. I don't have a dossier filled with URLs on everyone (or anyone) so yeah, it was a cop out to send you there, HOWEVER . . . from what I read there that web site is pretty accurate to the events I remember about Ashcroft. If you really want a detailed and annotated analysis of his life, sorry but I'm actually working right now and this will hafta hold ya for a couple of weeks, but Ashcroft is not just an asshat from the point of view of the Democratic party but the Admisintration as well. The only reason he wasn't fired in the first term is because that would have been an admission of a mistake by the Administration for putting him there to begin with.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ChasingBlueSky 0 #24 November 10, 2004 QuoteSounds like you've already given up in your mind and accepted defeat. I'm glad someone like that isn't in charge. Sounds kind of like Madonna. You mean I sound like someone that thinks out of the box instead of with just a gun? How many years of the same mistakes do our administrations need to make before they wake up? A lot of the "leadership" decisions this and past presidents have made have brought us to this point in history. You seem like a smart guy and should be able to understand that without examples. Taking another route is not giving up - it's being smart and looking out for the future. I guess I am thinking long term security instead of just three years. Wow, how foolish is that??? Do I have the answer? Nope, but I am willing to force the issue that what we are doing is not working. If you think the America is safe because of three years of quiet just on our shores, then you are mistaken. It wouldn't take much for a Spain or Bali to happen here again. Hell, those could even be practice runs for another shot on our country. The world is much less safe now than it was three years ago._________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Jimbo 0 #25 November 10, 2004 QuoteThe only reason he wasn't fired in the first term is because that would have been an admission of a mistake by the Administration for putting him there to begin with. You glean that from your mind-meld with the President? - Jim"Like" - The modern day comma Good bye, my friends. You are missed. 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ChasingBlueSky 0 #20 November 10, 2004 QuoteWell, aside from the anthrax letter attack that followed shortly after 9-11, there hasn't been one single terrorist attack on our soil. That's not to say it's over or that we’re out of danger and I'm pretty sure Ashcroft wouldn't say that either. However, it speaks as a huge accomplishment on his part. Thank god the terrorists works on your and Ashcrofts time table! Terrorism has not stopped on a global level. Therefore, since it is still there in the rest of the world, we are not safe here at home. This thought goes up there with "winning the war" against terrorism. Really? What hill did we place a flag on that will defeat the mindset that wants to terrorize us into submission (not take over our country)? This is a battle without borders, and you have to find a way to effect change in the thought process of those most likely to become extremists. Killing off thousands of innocent children and other civilians is counter productive to securing the safety of our homeland._________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pajarito 0 #21 November 10, 2004 That's awsome! You quote seriously from a site called "rotten.com." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pajarito 0 #22 November 10, 2004 Sounds like you've already given up in your mind and accepted defeat. I'm glad someone like that isn't in charge. Sounds kind of like Madonna. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #23 November 10, 2004 Quote That's awsome! You quote seriously from a site called "rotten.com." It was the quickest link I had. I don't have a dossier filled with URLs on everyone (or anyone) so yeah, it was a cop out to send you there, HOWEVER . . . from what I read there that web site is pretty accurate to the events I remember about Ashcroft. If you really want a detailed and annotated analysis of his life, sorry but I'm actually working right now and this will hafta hold ya for a couple of weeks, but Ashcroft is not just an asshat from the point of view of the Democratic party but the Admisintration as well. The only reason he wasn't fired in the first term is because that would have been an admission of a mistake by the Administration for putting him there to begin with.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChasingBlueSky 0 #24 November 10, 2004 QuoteSounds like you've already given up in your mind and accepted defeat. I'm glad someone like that isn't in charge. Sounds kind of like Madonna. You mean I sound like someone that thinks out of the box instead of with just a gun? How many years of the same mistakes do our administrations need to make before they wake up? A lot of the "leadership" decisions this and past presidents have made have brought us to this point in history. You seem like a smart guy and should be able to understand that without examples. Taking another route is not giving up - it's being smart and looking out for the future. I guess I am thinking long term security instead of just three years. Wow, how foolish is that??? Do I have the answer? Nope, but I am willing to force the issue that what we are doing is not working. If you think the America is safe because of three years of quiet just on our shores, then you are mistaken. It wouldn't take much for a Spain or Bali to happen here again. Hell, those could even be practice runs for another shot on our country. The world is much less safe now than it was three years ago._________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jimbo 0 #25 November 10, 2004 QuoteThe only reason he wasn't fired in the first term is because that would have been an admission of a mistake by the Administration for putting him there to begin with. You glean that from your mind-meld with the President? - Jim"Like" - The modern day comma Good bye, my friends. You are missed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
