headoverheels 334 #1 November 9, 2004 http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/usatoday/20041109/pl_usatoday/druggistsrefusetogiveoutpill Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diablopilot 2 #2 November 9, 2004 Yeah, big deal. If it's a private business they should be able to sell whatever products they wish. They'll probably loose alot of money doing so. If it's a matter of and employee of a company acting on their own, well they might want to start looking for work if they haven't talked with their employer about it.---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DrunkMonkey 0 #3 November 9, 2004 QuoteYeah, big deal. If it's a private business they should be able to sell whatever products they wish. They'll probably loose alot of money doing so. If it's a matter of and employee of a company acting on their own, well they might want to start looking for work if they haven't talked with their employer about it. Wait until Wal-Mart decides to refuse to sell BC...Then the shit will hit the fan... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diablopilot 2 #4 November 9, 2004 If Wal-Mart wants to loose that much money, I could give a rats ass....I've been on a Wal-Mart strike for a year now.....They employ to many stupid people who would have already drowned brushing their teeth by now.---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #5 November 9, 2004 And what happens if scientologist pharmacists refuse to fill prescreption for mental health prescriptions? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AndyMan 7 #6 November 9, 2004 CVS, the pharmacy mentioned in the article is a large chain operating in the mid-west. The pharmacist who refused to fill the 'script was NOT following company policy. She was acting on her own. _Am__ You put the fun in "funnel" - craichead. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diablopilot 2 #7 November 9, 2004 Are they a operating out of a privately owned and operated pharmacy? If so, then it's their business. You can't walk into a Ford dealership and expect to buy a Chevy there.---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mailin 0 #8 November 9, 2004 CVS is based in Rhode Island, I used to work at the corporate office, but they have stores ALL over the US. I'd be very surprised to hear of this being a 'corporate' policy though - their corporate 'credo' seems to include 'make money at whatever cost'. I don't shop at CVS very often... JenArianna Frances Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,096 #9 November 9, 2004 >If it's a private business they should be able to sell whatever products they wish. I think when a company sells medicine required for the continued survival of a customer, they are under a stronger obligation than Wal-Mart is to sell lawn chairs. (Although I agree that birth control is not as important as, say, erythromycin.) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lindsey 0 #10 November 9, 2004 QuoteAnd what happens if scientologist pharmacists refuse to fill prescreption for mental health prescriptions? I wonder how many scientologist pharmacists there really are out there....leading double lives.... I don't see any reason that a pharmacist should be obligated to fill any prescription. We always have the option to shop around.... Peace~ linz-- A conservative is just a liberal who's been mugged. A liberal is just a conservative who's been to jail Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #11 November 9, 2004 QuoteAre they a operating out of a privately owned and operated pharmacy? If so, then it's their business. Only if they make other arrangements to have the prescription filled. Otherwise they are breaking the law. Pharmacies are regulated, for good reason. Should a private owned and operated pharmacy be allowed to sell snake oil? Or substitute cheaper drugs? Hey, if you don't like it, go somewhere else... I agree with that philosophy for most businesses, but certain entities, specifically related to health care and the efficacy of drugs we injest under doctors orders should be regulated. If you have a moral objection to filling legal prescrptions, fine, find another job. No one forced you to be a pharmacist. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diablopilot 2 #12 November 9, 2004 PK, your words are making it sound as if you think things should be "fair". "Fair" is a concept that has little reality, unless you're talking about the place that they show the livestock, and have the cotton candy.---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diablopilot 2 #13 November 9, 2004 QuoteI think when a company sells medicine required for the continued survival of a customer, they are under a stronger obligation than Wal-Mart is to sell lawn chairs. (Although I agree that birth control is not as important as, say, erythromycin.) I'd agree with it being a MORAL obligation, but that's me pushing my morals on someone elses business..... Legaly, you pays your money and you takes your chances. There ARE other pharmacists.---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #14 November 9, 2004 QuotePK, your words are making it sound as if you think things should be "fair". As fair as the law allows. And as far as I know, the law allows them to refuse to fill the prescription, provided they give them an alternate means to fill it. I have no problem with that. But if they just flat out refuse, they're violating the requirements for their license and it should be revoked. The job of a pharmacist is NOT to determine what drugs you should or shouldn't be taking on ANY basis, moral or otherwise. Their job is to fulfill prescriptions written by doctors. If they don't want to do that, fine, get another job. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shotgun 1 #15 November 9, 2004 The only thing that bothers me is that some of the pharmacists actually took the woman's prescription and refused to give it back to her, causing her to have to go back to the doctor to get another prescription before she could get it filled elsewhere. It's one thing if they just refuse to fill it, but they have no right trying to prevent a woman from being able to get her prescription filled anywhere, not to mention the huge hassle he caused her. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,096 #16 November 9, 2004 >There ARE other pharmacists. And if none in your area are willing to fill it, you get sick and/or die. When the stakes are that high, free enterprise often isn't applicable. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diablopilot 2 #17 November 9, 2004 QuoteThe only thing that bothers me is that some of the pharmacists actually took the woman's prescription and refused to give it back to her, causing her to have to go back to the doctor to get another prescription before she could get it filled elsewhere. Agreed, and I'd call that what it is: Theft.---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lindsey 0 #18 November 9, 2004 Quote>There ARE other pharmacists. And if none in your area are willing to fill it, you get sick and/or die. When the stakes are that high, free enterprise often isn't applicable. I'd have to agree that if not filling a prescription were going to be life-threatening there'd be an ethical obligation. There aren't many life-saving medications that I can imagine pharmacists having a moral opposition to though (unless we were to have an influx of Christian Scientist pharmacists).-- A conservative is just a liberal who's been mugged. A liberal is just a conservative who's been to jail Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,133 #19 November 9, 2004 QuoteQuote>There ARE other pharmacists. And if none in your area are willing to fill it, you get sick and/or die. When the stakes are that high, free enterprise often isn't applicable. I'd have to agree that if not filling a prescription were going to be life-threatening there'd be an ethical obligation. There aren't many life-saving medications that I can imagine pharmacists having a moral opposition to though (unless we were to have an influx of Christian Scientist pharmacists). A 21 year old woman of my acquaintance has birth control pills prescribed on account of her tendency to ovarian cysts. She has already lost one ovary to this. Who is a pharmacist to decide whether or not this medication is appropriate? I think this pharmacist is breaking the code of ethics of the profession.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lindsey 0 #20 November 10, 2004 QuoteQuoteQuote>There ARE other pharmacists. And if none in your area are willing to fill it, you get sick and/or die. When the stakes are that high, free enterprise often isn't applicable. I'd have to agree that if not filling a prescription were going to be life-threatening there'd be an ethical obligation. There aren't many life-saving medications that I can imagine pharmacists having a moral opposition to though (unless we were to have an influx of Christian Scientist pharmacists). A 21 year old woman of my acquaintance has birth control pills prescribed on account of her tendency to ovarian cysts. She has already lost one ovary to this. Who is a pharmacist to decide whether or not this medication is appropriate? I think this pharmacist is breaking the code of ethics of the profession. I don't think this is any different than a doctor who refuses to abort a pregnancy that may harm a mother's health. I wouldn't be that doctor or that pharmacist, but I would advocate on behalf of either of those professionals who, because of their (however misguided) own moral code, would not perform a procedure or fill a prescription. BUT if the physician (or pharmacist) had received this person as a patient, the onus is on him/her to provide an alternative to the patient....i.e. referral to another physician or pharmacist..-- A conservative is just a liberal who's been mugged. A liberal is just a conservative who's been to jail Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #21 November 10, 2004 Quoteunless you're talking about the place that they show the livestock, and have the cotton candy. Milpitas? {Not filling a prescription that the company would is a violation of professional ethics - CVS should fire the pharmacist of course. When the pharmacist steals the prescription, he crossed an personal ethical line in the wrong direction - we can show examples from both the left and the right of people going 'too far' in other areas} ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jdfreefly 1 #22 November 10, 2004 Have you been to a pharmacy lately? There is a plaque on the wall detainling how they may substitute at will any prescribed drug with a cheaper generic without notice unless you or your doctor specifically state that they may not. If I owned a pharmacy, I think it would be up to me to sell whatever I pleased. The people would vote with their dollars and that would be that. However, if I owned a pharmacy and an employe decided that they felt a drug prescribed was amoral and refused to do it, I would first fire them and then sue them for the damage they did to my reputation in the community. If possible, in this particular incident, I would offer a settlement that allowed them to fulfill their financial obligation to me with 40 hours of community service in the local planned parenthood....pretty much because I am a dick head. Methane Freefly - got stink? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,133 #23 November 10, 2004 www.aphanet.org/pharmcare/ethics.html... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #24 November 10, 2004 Quote>There ARE other pharmacists. And if none in your area are willing to fill it, you get sick and/or die. When the stakes are that high, free enterprise often isn't applicable. I believe I made a similar argument with regards to housing. ?? DP - In California, there is a price that is paid in exchange for getting a license to sell alcohol or prescription drugs. One is that you can't restrict to members only. If you want to buy booze at Costco, you can. When I worked at the now gone Fedco, we had a bit of that action. I'm pretty sure it applies to getting drugs filled as well. So if a private company wants to impose its moral beliefs on its customers, it can do so with OTC products only. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TomAiello 26 #25 November 10, 2004 Interesting side note. I live in a small, conservative town, where the vast majority of the OB/GYN's are older, conservative, Mormon men. There has been some discussion of whether or not they would prescribe birth control pills. My wife pretty much decided that she wouldn't be willing to see an OB who refused to prescribe oral contraceptives. It's an interesting question of professional ethics--especially if _all_ the town's pharmacies (or doctors, or whatever) started refusing.-- Tom Aiello Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com SnakeRiverBASE.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
