CanuckInUSA 0 #1 November 9, 2004 They've been doing this in Kansas for years now. But I understand that the school superintendent in Georgia wants to strike the word "Evolution" from all school texts. More can be read about it here. So what do you believe in? And is it right for students in public schools not to be taught about evolution? Try not to worry about the things you have no control over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IanHarrop 42 #2 November 9, 2004 Speaks a lot for the "separation of church and state" myth."Where troubles melt like lemon drops, away above the chimney tops, that's where you'll find me" Dorothy Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mr2mk1g 10 #3 November 9, 2004 Just out of curiosity, does anyone know what they teach about dinosaurs or geology? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CanuckInUSA 0 #4 November 9, 2004 QuoteJust out of curiosity, does anyone know what they teach about dinosaurs or geology? I don't know what is being taught in these schools. But several years ago while I was living and working in Colorado Springs, I ran into a number of people from "Focus on the Family" who claimed that the earth is only 7 (or so) thousand years old and that any so called evidence of dinosaurs and geology was actually the work of the devil. Try not to worry about the things you have no control over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
unformed 0 #5 November 9, 2004 QuoteSpeaks a lot for the "separation of church and state" myth. Says a lot about stupidity and blind faith.This ad space for sale. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,584 #6 November 9, 2004 Quoteso called evidence of dinosaurs and geology was actually the work of the devil I've also heard that it's the work of God trying to test people's faith. That said, individuals have the right to believe anything damn thing they want to, including that the earth is flat. If they can't conceive of a God who is complex enough to set a world into motion, and important enough that one small piece of creation isn't really the center of it, well, tough. Wording on what "creation" is is just that -- wording sometimes. It's when that viewpoint makes it into the school that I begin to get pissed. I have no problems whatsoever with the theory of evolution being called a theory. It is a theory. I have no problems with the large gaping holes being pointed out -- there are holes in the chronology. But that's a far cry from teaching creation science. That would require a creator. I wouldn't even have an objection to a "some people believe in this" unit, but one couldn't really provide evidence for something that's based on faith. It's not faith if you base it on evidence, after all. Wendy W.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
unformed 0 #7 November 9, 2004 QuoteQuoteJust out of curiosity, does anyone know what they teach about dinosaurs or geology? I don't know what is being taught in these schools. But several years ago while I was living and working in Colorado Springs, I ran into a number of people from "Focus on the Family" who claimed that the earth is only 7 (or so) thousand years old and that any so called evidence of dinosaurs and geology was actually the work of the devil. Yeah, God put fossils there to test our faith. People who believe this crap should be kicked in the head.This ad space for sale. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nacmacfeegle 0 #8 November 9, 2004 "God put fossils there to test our faith." Hmm, does that make the search for, and acquisition of fossils, and similar products of that era a religious mission? Oil for example...... Hmm...-------------------- He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me. Thomas Jefferson Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,593 #9 November 9, 2004 Quote I wouldn't even have an objection to a "some people believe in this" unit, but one couldn't really provide evidence for something that's based on faith. It's not faith if you base it on evidence, after all. I'd have a problem with that if it was in a science class. If they. wanted to do that in religious education then fine but faith shouldn't be taught in a serious subject.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
unformed 0 #10 November 9, 2004 Quote"God put fossils there to test our faith." Hmm, does that make the search for, and acquisition of fossils, and similar products of that era a religious mission? Oil for example...... Hmm... Heh .... It all comes together now. This ad space for sale. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,584 #11 November 9, 2004 QuoteHmm, does that make the search for, and acquisition of fossils, and similar products of that era a religious mission? Oil for example...... Nacmac, you're evil and sneaky. That can be attractive in a guy Wendy W.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pajarito 0 #12 November 9, 2004 QuoteI don't know what is being taught in these schools. But several years ago while I was living and working in Colorado Springs, I ran into a number of people from "Focus on the Family" who claimed that the earth is only 7 (or so) thousand years old and that any so called evidence of dinosaurs and geology was actually the work of the devil. I'm not trying to discredit you and say that there aren't people who believe in this way. I'm just wondering if you have proof that it is also the view of Dr. James Dobson or Focus on the Family. Would you happen to have a link to an article or something? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mr2mk1g 10 #13 November 9, 2004 I think you’ve hit the nail on the head there Nac. Looks like he [I]has[/I] been given a mandate from God after all. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mardigrasbob 0 #14 November 9, 2004 QuoteQuote I wouldn't even have an objection to a "some people believe in this" unit, but one couldn't really provide evidence for something that's based on faith. It's not faith if you base it on evidence, after all. I'd have a problem with that if it was in a science class. If they. wanted to do that in religious education then fine but faith shouldn't be taught in a serious subject. repost We know evolution exists. Anyone who breds dogs will tell you that, but to say that we are the product of natural selection that stated with a few chain of proteins requires the faith of Job. That makes Darwinism a religion. Science and God are not mutually exclusive of each other. Science is the study of the physical universe. It requires repeated tests and experiments to prove a theory. Religion is the study of God, and how HE relates to our existance in the universe. Science does not know even if basic life can be created out of dead matter let alone prove an uninterrupted chain of evolution (survival of the fittest) resulted in what we experiance today. It is possible;I believe damn likely; that evolution is a tool used by God. One thing is for sure no-one knows. That is where faith come in. People who say they know are idiots. Does a acorn evolve into a oak. Does a 12year old evolve into a teenager. Or could all this part of a grand scheme we all way to ignorant to even begin to understand. Athiests like to look at the parable of 'the seven days' and 'great flood as proof that the bible is full of shit. The big bang is beyond even our best scientists. Will the universe continue to expand or will gravity pull it all back into the big crunch. What happenes then and how in Sam Hell does that matter to us today. The bible; which is compilation of ancient writings, is crammed full of wisdom that is very pertinant today. There are mysteries we don't even know we don't know. When you expain 'Where did i come' from to your child, do you explain X&Y chromosones or do you use an analogy that he will understand? The glorious thing is that Bible contains analogies that are still relative today. -------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CanuckInUSA 0 #15 November 9, 2004 QuoteI'm not trying to discredit you and say that there aren't people who believe in this way. I'm just wondering if you have proof that it is also the view of Dr. James Dobson or Focus on the Family. Currently I have no proof that Dobson has told his followers this. But as someone who's been exposed to plenty of "Focus on the Family" people down in Colorado Springs I can tell you that I have had many debates with these people about God and the Devil. Personally I think many of the people I met down there are nut cases, but that's just my opinion. Oh that wasn't me who just called a segment of the population nut cases ... it was the Devil. Try not to worry about the things you have no control over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pajarito 0 #16 November 9, 2004 QuoteCurrently I have no proof that Dobson has told his followers this. But as someone who's been exposed to plenty of "Focus on the Family" people down in Colorado Springs I can tell you that I have had many debates with these people about God and the Devil. Personally I think many of the people I met down there are nut cases, but that's just my opinion. Oh that wasn't me who just called a segment of the population nut cases ... it was the Devil. I recognize your sarcasm and can appreciate the humor in it. I think there are extremists on both sides of the issue. Some consider me in that category. I, however, don't discount that dinausars existed or that things evolve. I personally just don't buy the whole package they're trying to sell as fact. Some of it may be. However, it is a theory. In reference to the James Dobson/Focus on the Family question, I just think it's important, when referencing what someone else said or believes, that one has proof. Otherwise one might smear another person or organization unjustly. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nightingale 0 #17 November 9, 2004 Dobson advocates the intelligent design theory, I believe. www.focusonthefamily.org Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pajarito 0 #18 November 9, 2004 QuoteDobson advocates the intelligent design theory, I believe. www.focusonthefamily.org So do I. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DrunkMonkey 0 #19 November 9, 2004 QuoteQuoteDobson advocates the intelligent design theory, I believe. www.focusonthefamily.org So do I. Mark your calendar...I agree with the fundies on this one issue. They should STFU on the other issues... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheAnvil 0 #20 November 9, 2004 Not teaching evolution in schools is a bad move, I do believe. Those with courage need not fear having others hear the arguments of their opposition in a civil manner/setting. Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nightingale 0 #21 November 9, 2004 when I was taught evolution in school, it was taught as "this is the best theory we have right now. It is currently the only explanation that fits all the evidence, but like any scientific theory, it is under constant scrutiny and will be revised or dismissed in the face of new evidence." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pajarito 0 #22 November 9, 2004 QuoteNot teaching evolution in schools is a bad move, I do believe. Those with courage need not fear having others hear the arguments of their opposition in a civil manner/setting. I agree that it should be taught in science classes. I disagree with the latest GA lawsuit concerning this, however. It has to do with the following: Theory of Evolution ATLANTA - A federal judge refused to dismiss a lawsuit against a school district's practice of posting disclaimers inside science textbooks saying evolution is "a theory, not a fact." The sticker reads: "This textbook contains material on evolution. Evolution is a theory, not a fact, regarding the origin of living things. This material should be approached with an open mind, studied carefully and critically considered." What in the world would be wrong with that? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
favaks 0 #23 November 9, 2004 Evolution is a fact, just like gravity. Natural selection is a theory. favaks Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
storm1977 0 #24 November 9, 2004 QuoteEvolution is a fact, just like gravity. Natural selection is a theory. favaks The evolution of Humans is not a fact is it. Evolution does happen in a controlled sample we know that, but Evolution on an interspecies scale is a theory. Natural Selection it also a theory. ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pajarito 0 #25 November 9, 2004 QuoteEvolution does happen in a controlled sample we know that, but Evolution on an interspecies scale is a theory. I'm no expert but that's how I understood it to be. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
