TheAnvil 0 #26 November 9, 2004 How interesting to see the Southern Baptists demonized in such a manner. A few questions for you - perhaps you'll answer me this time, unlike in your humorous thread on the Christian Taliban. - Do you have any actual examples of religious charities here in the US denying an impoverished person aid for refusing to believe in Christ? I'd love to hear about it. You see, I give quite a bit of money and time to such organizations and have never seen or heard of such. I find your comment most likely a fabrication of some sort in your own mind as a way to justify your feelings toward Christianity. - Which personal liberties did the Southern Baptists state they would be seeking to erode, exactly? - What exactly do you mean by 'anti-choice'? To what choice are you referring? I find it odd that any GWB SCOTUS nominee would seek to deny a parent the CHOICE of which school their children should attend, the CHOICE to join or not join a union, the CHOICE to donate $ to a charity vice have a union spend it on a political cause they do not support, or the CHOICE to purchase a firearm. I assume you mean the choice to pay a person to commit pre-natal murder on their behalf, but just want to be sure. That anti-choice phrase used by the left is so inappropriate. Tsk tsk tsk. I find it odd that you refer to GWB as king and state the duration of his term in the same sentence, but to each his own I suppose. His 'kingship' doesn't really exist, so I guess an imaginary kingship could have a term. Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChasingBlueSky 0 #27 November 9, 2004 I'm surpised no one made a comment on this one. Guess this is part of that moral, Christian Right. How does someone like this get voted into office? Widely seen as the kookiest candidate in the recent election, Oklahoma's new Senator-elect Tom Coburn is so conservative it actually pains him to request federal money for his home state - usually the number one job of any elected representative in Washington. On his campaign, he advocated the death penalty for abortionists and "other people who take life" - not, presumably, executioners or US military personnel in Iraq. He loves guns so much that after the Columbine High School shootings in 1999 - when he was a Congressman - he said he saw nothing wrong with people having access to bazookas and using them "in a limited way". And he loathes homosexuals. "The gay community has infiltrated the very centres of power in every area across this country, and they wield extreme power," he said. "That agenda is the greatest threat to our freedom we face today. Why do you think we see the rationalisation for abortion and multiple sexual partners? That's a gay agenda." Interestingly, Coburn is a doctor - an obstetrician, to be exact, who once admitted sterilising a 20-year-old woman without her written consent._________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tigra 0 #28 November 9, 2004 And why is it that we're only using our "power" to police oil rich countries that piss us off? There are nuclear capabilities and gross human rights violations in other parts of the world too, but we ignore them! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheAnvil 0 #29 November 9, 2004 Ask and ye shall receive... Quote Oklahoma's new Senator-elect Tom Coburn is so conservative it actually pains him to request federal money for his home state - usually the number one job of any elected representative in Washington. If you consider that the #1 priority of a US Senator, then you've got problems. Do you realize how hard we're going to laugh whenever you bring up Bush's spending spree in light of this statement? Quote On his campaign, he advocated the death penalty for abortionists and "other people who take life" - not, presumably, executioners or US military personnel in Iraq. This comparison concerning our military disgusts me so thoroughly that my own vernacular lacks sufficient depth to describe it without benefit of obscenities of a most vile and heinous nature. Quote He loves guns so much that after the Columbine High School shootings in 1999 - when he was a Congressman - he said he saw nothing wrong with people having access to bazookas and using them "in a limited way". Read up on how some parents of the Columbine victims feel about gun control and have some respect for their feelings if you're going to use the death of their loved ones for political gain. Quote And he loathes homosexuals. "The gay community has infiltrated the very centres of power in every area across this country, and they wield extreme power," he said. "That agenda is the greatest threat to our freedom we face today. Why do you think we see the rationalisation for abortion and multiple sexual partners? That's a gay agenda." Interestingly, Coburn is a doctor - an obstetrician, to be exact, who once admitted sterilising a 20-year-old woman without her written consent. Disgusting as well. Against whom was he running? Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CanuckInUSA 0 #30 November 9, 2004 QuoteThis leads back to the debate about how funding private schools should be done This should be a no brainer. Private schools need to be funded by the parents and alumni of the students attending these private schools. Why should the tax payers fund private education? Try not to worry about the things you have no control over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diablopilot 2 #31 November 9, 2004 Hmmm, I ain't buying into this Chicken Little shit.---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChasingBlueSky 0 #32 November 9, 2004 QuoteAnd why is it that we're only using our "power" to police oil rich countries that piss us off? The are nuclear capabilities and gross human rights violations in other parts of the world too, but we ignore them! See, there goes that logical stuff again. You just won't find it on the Hill._________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChasingBlueSky 0 #33 November 9, 2004 QuoteHmmm, I ain't buying into this Chicken Little shit. Tom Coburn is on record saying this stuff already JP. Rove announced yesterday that Bush is going to try to push for a gay-marriage ban amendment, creationism was on the balloton Nov 2. This stuff is very real._________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChasingBlueSky 0 #34 November 9, 2004 QuoteHmmm, I ain't buying into this Chicken Little shit. Tom Coburn is on record saying this stuff already JP. Rove announced yesterday that Bush is going to try to push for a gay-marriage ban amendment, creationism was on the ballot Nov 2. This stuff is very real._________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,587 #35 November 9, 2004 Well, Oklahoma also has the senator who seems to have been previously regarded as the least intelligent (James Inhofe). I'm hoping that in 10 years this kind of hard-line right-wing my-way-or-the-highway attitude will be looked back on like the hard-line anti-communist attitude of the 50's is viewed now. Not that they don't belong there at all -- we do need variety. But people like this seem to be, in fact, interested in making damn good and sure that things they disapprove of don't exist. That's easy to say where people are homogeneous. But if you try to homogenize people to all think like you, some of them resent it. Wendy W.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jdhill 0 #36 November 9, 2004 QuoteWhy should the tax payers fund private education? Why should the taxpayers fund education at all? It is not a power given to the federal government by the Constitution... I'm sure I will hear the "and to provide for the common good" line, but if that is going to be an argument for funding of public schools, it could be used as one for funding private schools as well. JAll that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. - Edmund Burke Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChasingBlueSky 0 #37 November 9, 2004 QuoteWell, Oklahoma also has the senator who seems to have been previously regarded as the least intelligent (James Inhofe). I'm hoping that in 10 years this kind of hard-line right-wing my-way-or-the-highway attitude will be looked back on like the hard-line anti-communist attitude of the 50's is viewed now. Or worse, Coburn will be on the RNC ticket in 2007._________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tkhayes 348 #38 November 9, 2004 QuoteWhat if you are wrong? What if we are wrong about the leadership of this country? Thousands and thousands of people are going to die needlessly. Sounds like you and me have the same fears - just a different direction we point the finger. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tigra 0 #39 November 9, 2004 QuoteQuoteThis leads back to the debate about how funding private schools should be done This should be a no brainer. Private schools need to be funded by the parents and alumni of the students attending these private schools. Why should the tax payers fund private education? The real issue is how PUBLIC schools are funded, which right now is horribly unfair. If funding for public schools was more fairly distributed, there wouldn't be as great a need for private schools. Educating our nation's children should be a top priority for all of us, even if we aren't parents. They do represent our future, after all! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhreeZone 20 #40 November 9, 2004 School voucher programs do address this issue by allowing a portion of the private school cost to be taken out of the public school budget since the student will not be there to use the money. A general issue with private schools is that they are generally not held to the same standerds as public schools. Here in Ohio its a requirement that prior to graduation all public students must attend a "Parenting and Life Skills" class. There is no equal for private schools. Also its required to have 3 credits of arts and other stupid class requirements, where as private schools are not required at all to offer art classes. By giving the students another 4 classes at least, the teachers are able to teach them additional or different classes. Another issue is that private schools are able to deny accepting anyone they want so they are able to filter out the slower or more disruptive students and dump those back into the public system. I know I was so unchallenged in the public schools that I was sleeping in class and still making all A's. The classes had to move that slow though since I had kids that were reading at a 5th grade level and could'nt figure out how to get the area of a triangle in math. Public funding of private schools will just create 2 classes of students, those that are accepted into "private" schools and get a better education, and those that are not and have to deal with classrooms full of students that failed the entrance exam for some reason.Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TomAiello 26 #41 November 9, 2004 Quote...will he have the courage to abolish income tax altogether? Sounds like positive news to me.-- Tom Aiello Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com SnakeRiverBASE.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChasingBlueSky 0 #42 November 9, 2004 QuoteQuote...will he have the courage to abolish income tax altogether? Sounds like positive news to me. I'm torn on this issue. Part of it is a serious lack of understanding on the tax code. I tried to have my friend who is becoming a CPA explain it to me this past weekend. There are good arguements for both sides. The reporter however feels that a flat tax would better favor the rich...I'm not so sure about that. If loopholes were removed and there was a 18% tax across the board for everyone, we may be better off. Then again, those that make less will be taxed more than they are now. Like I said, I'm torn and currently trying to educate myself on this topic. However, reading about taxes give me a huge headache._________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #43 November 9, 2004 QuoteQuote Yeah, lets let Iran go ahead and build nuclear reactors. After all, we have their word they won't build a bomb. Just because No. Korea lied to us and we are stuck with a precarious situation there doesn't mean Iran would do the same. I'm sure Pakistan is in full compliance with the IAEA too. And we have the resources to be the police of the world? Where do you expect to get all these troops and monies to protect us from such evil countries that just want to be on the same scale as us? Wait a minute! Maybe we could put together an organization of countries united against such things - now, I wonder where we could get one of those? If you build it we will bomb it. How much does that cost? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #44 November 9, 2004 QuoteQuoteThis leads back to the debate about how funding private schools should be done This should be a no brainer. Private schools need to be funded by the parents and alumni of the students attending these private schools. Why should the tax payers fund private education? Oh, I agree. The question is whether you should have to pay taxes which support public schools in addition to private school tuition for your own children. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,587 #45 November 9, 2004 QuoteThe question is whether you should have to pay taxes which support public schools in addition to private school tuition for your own children And I say the answer is yes. For all the same reasons that I think my taxes should pay for roads I don't use, and a government that I disagree with. Now -- do I enjoy paying taxes? Nope. Do I think there are better ways? Yup. Do I think any of the better way are incredibly simple? Nope. No way. Wendy W.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #46 November 9, 2004 QuoteQuoteWhat if you are wrong? What if we are wrong about the leadership of this country? Thousands and thousands of people are going to die needlessly. Sounds like you and me have the same fears - just a different direction we point the finger. True, I'm more afraid of a swore enemy of the US, who is persuing nuclear capabilities, than I am of our President. Silly me. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TomAiello 26 #47 November 9, 2004 I'm fairly educated on the tax code. In my opinion, the current tax system is worst for the upper middle class (who get nailed by the "penalize the rich" measures), and best for the very wealthy (who can afford the lawyers, accountants and tax shelters to get off paying a microscopic portion of their true income in taxes).-- Tom Aiello Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com SnakeRiverBASE.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChasingBlueSky 0 #48 November 9, 2004 Quote If you build it we will bomb it. How much does that cost? Let's see - jet fuel, cost of bombs, etc? Hundreds of millions. That is if all goes well. But it starts to add up once a plane gets shot down, we have to rescue pilots, pay for funerals, etc. And I'm sure a country like Iran would be ok with us flying over their borders, attacking their soil and not doing anything in return, right??? They could attack our troops in Iraq or better yet - use it as a reason to attack Israel. Then we would have a possible full blown war on our hands. Now - how much do you think that would cost? But I'm sure it would be the nice and clean version you were hoping for_________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #49 November 9, 2004 QuoteQuoteThe question is whether you should have to pay taxes which support public schools in addition to private school tuition for your own children And I say the answer is yes. For all the same reasons that I think my taxes should pay for roads I don't use, and a government that I disagree with. Now -- do I enjoy paying taxes? Nope. Do I think there are better ways? Yup. Do I think any of the better way are incredibly simple? Nope. No way. Wendy W. The question is, why should the govt. be involved in education at all? How would you like it if all utilities, transportation, construction, insurance, medicine, etc. were all govt. run. That would be socialism, right? And we don't want that, right? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #50 November 9, 2004 QuoteQuote If you build it we will bomb it. How much does that cost? Let's see - jet fuel, cost of bombs, etc? Hundreds of millions. That is if all goes well. But it starts to add up once a plane gets shot down, we have to rescue pilots, pay for funerals, etc. And I'm sure a country like Iran would be ok with us flying over their borders, attacking their soil and not doing anything in return, right??? They could attack our troops in Iraq or better yet - use it as a reason to attack Israel. Then we would have a possible full blown war on our hands. Now - how much do you think that would cost? But I'm sure it would be the nice and clean version you were hoping for OK then lets let them build it and bomb us. That would be a lot cheaper. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
