Vallerina 2 #76 November 9, 2004 Quote QuoteI'm sorry, but anything where it's only backing is "moral fiber" is crap. Ah. Tolerance at its finest. I'm tolerant of others beliefs. I am NOT tolerant of people's morals dictating laws.There's a thin line between Saturday night and Sunday morning Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shotgun 1 #77 November 9, 2004 QuoteQuoteWhile you're not much of an environmentalist, you do see the value in maintaining the environment. And you are completely missing my point. I see the value in issues that actually affect people. I'm sorry, but anything where it's only backing is "moral fiber" is crap. I have my own morals, but that doesn't mean I should push them onto others or try to make them illegal. For example, I think stripping for money is wrong. However, I don't think it should be illegal since it's not hurting me by others doing it. Basically, people can't get the concept of infringing on others rights. They like to make up some moral mumbo jumbo to pretend that they're actually affected. I just want to see proof on how they're actually affected. Oops... I think I misunderstood when I replied to you before. Sorry! (I do that sometimes!) And yes I agree... I would like to see proof on how they're affected. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vallerina 2 #78 November 9, 2004 No biggie! I didn't really clarify myself very well.There's a thin line between Saturday night and Sunday morning Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vallerina 2 #79 November 9, 2004 Okay, so let's say that I am completely against anything that doesn't agree with my beliefs. Now, let's say that I grew up in a society where it was wrong for women to show their belly buttons. I want to outlaw midriff tops because it exposes the belly button, and women should NOT be sexual creatures. Women being sexual creatures destroys our way of life. It makes men have impure thoughts and thus distracting them from their career and their morals. It makes it much more likely that they'll have premarital sex and have unwanted babies. Should you just accept my beliefs that women showing their belly buttons is wrong, and we should outlaw it?There's a thin line between Saturday night and Sunday morning Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,116 #80 November 9, 2004 >Ah. Tolerance at its finest. Actually, tolerance would be accepting of other people's relationships. If you object to interracial, same-sex or interfaith marriages, you are being intolerant. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zenister 0 #81 November 9, 2004 Quoteare destroying the moral fiber of our society, much the same way the environmentalists see unchecked urban sprawl and big SUVs as destroying the environment. define and show evidence of 'moral fiber'. is it something you can get with your Wheaties? the Environment is easily definable. Shouldnt the State spend its time and energy managing that which is tangibly real rather than getting involved in conjectural religious and moral debates ? once again the zealots must fall back on arguments of belief to justify how they expect you to conduct YOUR life. real issues vs those of the religious imagination.____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wildblue 7 #82 November 9, 2004 Quotethe Environment is easily definable. Shouldnt the State spend its time and energy managing that which is tangibly real rather than getting involved in conjectural religious and moral debates ? I've said it before and I'll say it again... it's a sad, sad day when people actually believe that politicians should be our moral compass. it's like incest - you're substituting convenience for quality Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mardigrasbob 0 #83 November 9, 2004 QuoteQuotethe Environment is easily definable. Shouldnt the State spend its time and energy managing that which is tangibly real rather than getting involved in conjectural religious and moral debates ? I've said it before and I'll say it again... it's a sad, sad day when people actually believe that politicians should be our moral compass. We should be their moral compass. Maybe then we will get some decent leaders for a change. I am not that old, but I remember when 'shacking up' was immoral. Our society is on a moral slide; what today seems off-limits will be the norm for tomorrow. That's cool if you are a slug, but if want to raise heathly happy children? It is a serious threat. ------------------------ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
winsor 236 #84 November 9, 2004 Quote QuoteI'm sorry, but anything where it's only backing is "moral fiber" is crap. Ah. Tolerance at its finest. I find the concept of "tolerance" to be singularly offensive. The condescension inherent in someone choosing to tolerate me is such that I would rather do without. You do not tolerate something unless you consider it fundamentally unacceptable. You only tolerate something if it is has basic negative qualities, and you are showing strength of character by your ability to endure it. You do not tolerate a nice meal, you tolerate a poison. You do not tolerate nice weather, you tolerate conditions that are unfit for your needs (rain, cold, wind, etc.). "Tolerable" means something that is bad but can be survived. If someone does not accept me, that is fine. It is honest, and I am partial to honesty. If they basically disapprove, but wish to "tolerate" the characteristics they perceive to be my shortcomings, they are not doing anyone any favors. Talk about sanctimonious. If I have a friend that is into something that I decidedly am not, I prefer to remain indifferent than to say "you suck, but I am so superior that I will put up with you nonetheless." I have friends that are gay, watch football, drink, and do many other things in which I expect to die of old age before participating. I don't expect them to be anything but indifferent to the fact that I am a breeder who doesn't watch football or drink. Neither of us has to "tolerate" the other. Thus, I view tolerance as a bad thing. I see "tolerant people" as synonymous with "fatuous assholes." Blue skies, Winsor Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
livendive 8 #85 November 9, 2004 QuoteI understand how irritating it is for Libs to be out of power, but try not to let it get to you too much. The liberals aren't out of power, it's just different liberals in power. Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
