GravityGirl 0 #51 November 7, 2004 Quote Some judges have interpreted it that way but it seems a stretch to me. I feel the same way about the bible. Some men have interpreted it that way but..... ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Peace and Blue Skies! Bonnie ==>Gravity Gear! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sundevil777 102 #52 November 7, 2004 QuoteBelieving republicans believe in diversity confounds your belief system "Diversity" is just a new/nicer way for libs to say "Race based preferences"People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Snowwhite 0 #53 November 7, 2004 QuoteHow does one explain that Washington was 90%(!) for Kerry? Isn't that crazy? Aren't most of the politics, gouvernment agencies, ... the White House located there? I'm just sayin' Yea, but they vote in their HOME states....skydiveTaylorville.org freefallbeth@yahoo.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,148 #54 November 7, 2004 QuoteQuoteWhat is the probability that a correlation like that is a coincidence? Do a chi-squared or use Bayes Theorem to work it out. I did work it out, but the super poly-razmatazz theorem states that gratuitous hurling of obscure mathematical references will not impress anyone, except for yourself. . Nothing obscure about a chi-squared test, it's one of the very first things covered in a statistics class. But then, since you did work it out (as you claimed), you already knew that so your statement that it's obscure is hard to fathom.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vallerina 2 #55 November 8, 2004 QuoteNothing obscure about a chi-squared test, it's one of the very first things covered in a statistics class. I miss chi-squared tests. Actually, we covered it in high school! Basically, the government uses things like abortion, gay rights, etc. to keep people in their self-righteous "what's best for the family" crap and away from actual issues (like why are we spending money on war instead of on research for alternative fuels.) The country won't be much different if Kerry would've won. It's just one greedy politician supporting his big business lobbyists as opposed to another one.There's a thin line between Saturday night and Sunday morning Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TomAiello 26 #56 November 8, 2004 QuoteBasically, the government uses things like abortion, gay rights, etc. to keep people in their self-righteous "what's best for the family" crap and away from actual issues (like why are we spending money on war instead of on research for alternative fuels.) I think that many people consider abortion and gay rights to be _real_ issues.-- Tom Aiello Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com SnakeRiverBASE.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DrunkMonkey 0 #57 November 8, 2004 QuoteQuoteBasically, the government uses things like abortion, gay rights, etc. to keep people in their self-righteous "what's best for the family" crap and away from actual issues (like why are we spending money on war instead of on research for alternative fuels.) I think that many people consider abortion and gay rights to be _real_ issues. Yeah...the uber religious Christian Taliban, who seek to impose their dogma into civil law...Forcing the courts and legislature to follow their Christian Sharia, and restricting the freedoms of others based upon their narrow-minded, inhibited, eliteist dogma. I will die defending my freedoms before allowing such a scenario to come to pass...And I'll be sure to take as many of the enemy with me when I do go... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TomAiello 26 #58 November 8, 2004 QuoteI think that many people consider abortion and gay rights to be _real_ issues. QuoteYeah...the uber religious Christian Taliban, who seek to impose their dogma into civil law... Um, I was thinking more of homosexuals, and those who wish to have abortions.-- Tom Aiello Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com SnakeRiverBASE.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mardigrasbob 0 #59 November 8, 2004 QuoteQuoteI think that many people consider abortion and gay rights to be _real_ issues. QuoteYeah...the uber religious Christian Taliban, who seek to impose their dogma into civil law... Um, I was thinking more of homosexuals, and those who wish to have abortions. I want to go on record! I am totally opposed to homosexual abortions! Christians for the most part are loving and caring people who do not hate anyone. Sure there are extremists in every religion but to call people, who work all week and spend an hour on Sunday morning trying to be more rightous, Taliban is either ignorant, uninformed or malicious. Abortion and homosexuality are "not even in the same ballpark". Many caring people are devastated by the number of babies being snuffed out everyday(1,370,000 annually in the U.S.) and feel that America will be punished by God. Many christians also believe that homosexuality is an abonination and can destroy our culture. These two points of view are basic to Christian values and are not part of some hateful agenda. ---------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vallerina 2 #60 November 8, 2004 QuoteUm, I was thinking more of homosexuals, and those who wish to have abortions. Abortion is legal, so that's like saying that glasses are important to keep legal for those who want to wear glasses. So, I guess I didn't clarify myself well enough. People who worry too much about who's getting an abortion or marrying their same sex partner are spending too much time away from actual issues that affect them.There's a thin line between Saturday night and Sunday morning Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gawain 0 #61 November 8, 2004 Quote(like why are we spending money on war instead of on research for alternative fuels.) Well, we are at war, so we are fighting it. We are also spending money on a few alternative fuel solutions. The money spent on research by government and private enterprise is on the order well into the billions of dollars. The perceived hesitation you may be observing is due to the billions that auto makers spent researching battery powered vehicles. The research yielded exactly zero commecially viable ZEV (zero emission vehicle) products. Instead, there are a few hybrid products available, but there is a premium one must pay to be "green" and these products do not deliver on the EPA mileage ratings they receive (something the auto makers have warned the EPA about). These are good products mind you, but their primary source of energy is still fossil fuel. Most of the technological leaps this country has made is the result of private enterprise and initiative, not federal spending.So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright 'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life Make light! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jimbo 0 #62 November 8, 2004 QuoteSo, I guess I didn't clarify myself well enough. People who worry too much about who's getting an abortion or marrying their same sex partner are spending too much time away from actual issues that affect them. In other words . . . People who worry too much about issues that aren't important to me, or that I don't agree with, are spending too much time away from actual issues that affect them. That's better. - Jim"Like" - The modern day comma Good bye, my friends. You are missed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,588 #63 November 8, 2004 Why is homosexuality more immoral than many of the other behaviors proscribed in Leviticus? It's not laid out in the Ten Commandments, so it clearly doesn't rise to that level. Wendy W.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jdhill 0 #64 November 8, 2004 QuoteAnd it's funny how this country was born out of a desire for separation of church and state.... Then there should be no government recognition of marriage at all, straight or gay... it is a religious rite...All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. - Edmund Burke Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zenister 0 #65 November 8, 2004 yes, but it is also a social contract.. to keep the fundamentalists happy ALL 'marriages' should be defined in terms of simple civil, social contracts in the eyes of the law... the church (whichever) can then call that contractual relationship whatever it wants and sanction or not sanction it based on its own religious beliefs..... it is the fundamental legal protections that are important...we have been letting the churches dictate far more legalities on a purely moral basis for far to long...____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #66 November 8, 2004 Quote Why is homosexuality more immoral than many of the other behaviors proscribed in Leviticus? It's not laid out in the Ten Commandments, so it clearly doesn't rise to that level. I have no fucking clue. I could get into the theology of it and what I believe, but I'm not. Like I said in my previous post, I'm not posting my beliefs, just stating the other side of the arguement from the one posted.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Phlip 0 #67 November 8, 2004 I don't see why we don't have two different entities: a marriage (which would be by definition a religious action) and a legal union. Why do people still fight over this? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vallerina 2 #68 November 9, 2004 QuotePeople who worry too much about issues that aren't important to me, or that I don't agree with, are spending too much time away from actual issues that affect them. No, I'm not much of an environmentalist, and I don't spend too much time worrying about it. However, those that are active in trying to change the world and make the way we live more "environmental friendly" I completely understand. The environment actually affects people. Two girls marrying each other doesn't affect anyone. I thought it was an easy conclusion to draw (actual issues vs. made up ones), but logic doesn't seem to be a strong suit of the population.There's a thin line between Saturday night and Sunday morning Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shotgun 1 #69 November 9, 2004 QuoteTwo girls marrying each other doesn't affect anyone. It affects the two girls, and sometimes their children... Such as in this story where the stay-at-home mom may not be able to receive health insurance through her partner's employer anymore if their marriage is declared illegal: http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20041108/ap_on_re_us/gay_marriage_couples_3 But all the other female stay-at-home moms who have husbands working for the same company will still be able to receive their health benefits. Doesn't sound too fair to me... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChasingBlueSky 0 #70 November 9, 2004 QuoteSeparation of church and state: It certainly did not mean to the founders what libs want to make it mean now. Not even close. Seperation of Church and State was for the protection of the State, not the Church._________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TomAiello 26 #71 November 9, 2004 QuoteQuoteUm, I was thinking more of homosexuals, and those who wish to have abortions. Abortion is legal, so that's like saying that glasses are important to keep legal for those who want to wear glasses. Are you saying that keeping abortion legal is _not_ important to those who might desire to have one? I beg to differ.-- Tom Aiello Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com SnakeRiverBASE.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vallerina 2 #72 November 9, 2004 QuoteAre you saying that keeping abortion legal is _not_ important to those who might desire to have one? I beg to differ. It shouldn't be an issue. The only reason it's an issue is going back to the whole keeping people's minds on crap that doesn't affect them to keep their attention way from stuff that does. Two people, no matter what their gender is, getting married in Nebraska doesn't change my life one bit. Therefore, I don't really give a crap about it. Two people of the same gender want to get married...fine by me! My insurance already lets "domestic partners" receive insurance benefits, so that doesn't even change! People get all in a huff about stupid crap like that and don't focus in on stuff that is important...whether it's environmentalism, corporate lobbyists, etc.There's a thin line between Saturday night and Sunday morning Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jimbo 0 #73 November 9, 2004 QuoteQuotePeople who worry too much about issues that aren't important to me, or that I don't agree with, are spending too much time away from actual issues that affect them. No, I'm not much of an environmentalist, and I don't spend too much time worrying about it. However, those that are active in trying to change the world and make the way we live more "environmental friendly" I completely understand. The environment actually affects people. Two girls marrying each other doesn't affect anyone. I thought it was an easy conclusion to draw (actual issues vs. made up ones), but logic doesn't seem to be a strong suit of the population. Thank you for proving my point. While you're not much of an environmentalist, you do see the value in maintaining the environment. What you don't see though, or what you won't admit, is that there are those who think that abortion and homosexual marriage are destroying the moral fiber of our society, much the same way the environmentalists see unchecked urban sprawl and big SUVs as destroying the environment. Everything is important to someone; suggeting that everyone dismiss an issue simply because you don't understand or appreciate it is, well, intolerance. Right? - Jim"Like" - The modern day comma Good bye, my friends. You are missed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vallerina 2 #74 November 9, 2004 QuoteWhile you're not much of an environmentalist, you do see the value in maintaining the environment. And you are completely missing my point. I see the value in issues that actually affect people. I'm sorry, but anything where it's only backing is "moral fiber" is crap. I have my own morals, but that doesn't mean I should push them onto others or try to make them illegal. For example, I think stripping for money is wrong. However, I don't think it should be illegal since it's not hurting me by others doing it. Basically, people can't get the concept of infringing on others rights. They like to make up some moral mumbo jumbo to pretend that they're actually affected. I just want to see proof on how they're actually affected.There's a thin line between Saturday night and Sunday morning Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jimbo 0 #75 November 9, 2004 QuoteI'm sorry, but anything where it's only backing is "moral fiber" is crap. Ah. Tolerance at its finest. - Jim"Like" - The modern day comma Good bye, my friends. You are missed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
