Rebecca 0 #1 November 5, 2004 WHY!! WHY in the f%^&*ing hell would anybody do THIS ????!!!! QuoteSeals Bludgeoned, Shot on Irish Island 1 hour, 46 minutes ago Science - Reuters DUBLIN (Reuters) - Up to 60 protected gray seals have been killed off the west coast of Ireland in what a wildlife group described as slaughter. The Irish Seal Sanctuary said the seals -- most of them pups -- appeared to have been bludgeoned, shot or had nails driven into their heads. Some had been disemboweled. "The animals were slaughtered," said the sanctuary's Pauline Beades. The gray seal is a protected species in Ireland. Divers alerted the sanctuary on Wednesday evening after they spotted some dead seal pups on Beginish Island, off the coast of County Kerry. "One of our directors went out and discovered that there were 60 if not more," said Beades. At least one of the pups was new-born and, judging by the number of deaths, almost all the pups born to the seal colony this year were probably killed. Police confirmed they were investigating the killing of about five adults and 30 seal pups on the island. It was not immediately clear why the seals had been killed. "People have suggested it could have been fishermen," Beades said. "But I can't imagine that a fisherman would have been involved." However, she said those responsible were likely to have been local. "It's a treacherous piece of water. It's not the easiest place to get to so it was definitely people who knew the area well, who knew the tides." This makes me feel very violent towards mankind - that we as a species have the capacity to be so unbelievably cruel. Sometimes I wish we'd just hurry up and wipe ourselves off the planet so it can begin to heal itself - we're nothing but a virus to this planet, just like stupidhead Agent Smith said. Grr. Oh, and I know this happened off the coast of County Kerry, but this is not a political post! So don't even try! you've got to ask yourself one question: 'Do I feel loquacious?' -- well do you, punk? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StevePhelps 0 #2 November 5, 2004 A lot of people don't respect life (probably at least 48% in USA) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #3 November 5, 2004 QuoteA lot of people don't respect life (probably at least 48% in USA) I think it's closer to 51% Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,588 #4 November 5, 2004 Steve, I think I know where you're going with that, and, frankly, I disagree. Your definition of "respecting life" is not universal. Wendy W.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
storm1977 0 #5 November 5, 2004 Think that is violent... Ever seen a Hawk swoop down and grab a squirrel only to begin ripping its gut out and start eating eat before it is dead? Nature is Violent.... we are part of the mix. ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peregrinerose 0 #6 November 5, 2004 Let's not see this degenerate into an abortion thread. This is about endangered species that someone went out and bludgeoned to death. It would be like knocking out the entire redwood forest. It is truly sick and sad, and I can't imagine the kind of wrath and hatred the person who slaughtered that many animals must possess. Do or do not, there is no try -Yoda Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #7 November 5, 2004 QuoteThink that is violent... Ever seen a Hawk swoop down and grab a squirrel only to begin ripping its gut out and start eating eat before it is dead? Nature is Violent.... we are part of the mix. Does a hawk swoop down, rip its guts out and fly away just for kicks? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StevePhelps 0 #8 November 5, 2004 Well, I assume I'm over simplifying it, but why do people get all upset at killing seal pups (I agree they should) but do not get outraged when we slaughter 1.5 million babies every year in the name of choce. I'm hardly the unltra fundamental conservative, but my lands, it seems so hypocritical (IMHO) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peregrinerose 0 #9 November 5, 2004 A hawk killing a squirrel is a normal part of the circle of life. Even a hunter killing a deer is normal. Butchering a lot of animals for absolutely no reason, not for meat or skin or anything else and just leaving them to rot is not natural. Do or do not, there is no try -Yoda Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
storm1977 0 #10 November 5, 2004 Did they Skin them???? Was there a reason? Food, clothing, blubber? Anyone? ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #11 November 5, 2004 Because some of us don't believe that what you call babies, are. Argue it all you want, but there's no way for either side to prove it one or the other to each other. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StevePhelps 0 #12 November 5, 2004 QuoteSteve, I think I know where you're going with that, and, frankly, I disagree. Your definition of "respecting life" is not universal. Wendy W. Obvious -- that is why people can club baby seals and abort babies and have no consciience about it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ripple 0 #13 November 5, 2004 Um, not to denigrate the analogy of the Redwoods but its kinda worse, pain was involved too - "The Irish Seal Sanctuary said the seals -- most of them pups -- appeared to have been bludgeoned, shot or had nails driven into their heads. Some had been disemboweled." Poor things, I agree with Rebecca, far better for the world if humans became extinct.Next Mood Swing: 6 minutes Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
storm1977 0 #14 November 5, 2004 Quote Does a hawk swoop down, rip its guts out and fly away just for kicks? I don't know but Killer whales have been filmed catching seals and "playing with them". They flip them about 20-30 feet in the air and smack them with their tales anout 100 feet. Saw it on discovery. Typically they don't eat them after either. THey usually do it after they feed... For Shits and giggles. ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #15 November 5, 2004 QuotePoor things, I agree with Rebecca, far better for the world if humans became extinct. The Voluntary Human Extinction Movement Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StevePhelps 0 #16 November 5, 2004 QuotePoor things, I agree with Rebecca, far better for the world if humans became extinct. We're working on it -- believe me -- and hard at it! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #17 November 5, 2004 So is your point that since humans are party of nature that we shouldn't strive to be any better than animals with no conscience? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rebecca 0 #18 November 5, 2004 This is about how we humans treat our environment and our planet with such complete disregard for anything but profit and selfishness. We leech and suck and take and destroy. And then we're sad when all the beauty and balance and harmony are gone. But we don't listen to the experts who tell us how to fix it. We shed a tear, say oh well, and then go find something else to exploit. We don't exactly have anywhere else to go - why do we keep trashing the joint? you've got to ask yourself one question: 'Do I feel loquacious?' -- well do you, punk? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ripple 0 #19 November 5, 2004 Quote The Voluntary Human Extinction Movement Oh crikey, you're calling my bluff now. Next Mood Swing: 6 minutes Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,118 #20 November 5, 2004 >that is why people can club baby seals and abort babies and have > no consciience about it. I suspect you have never met anyone who's had an abortion, if you believe that. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nacmacfeegle 0 #21 November 5, 2004 Ach I keep hearing Bush is supported by 52% of the nation. No, he's supported by 52% of those that get off their asses and vote. These precious few believers in the democratic process who were about 112 million. Out of lets say 300 million poulation, the POTUS got about 60 million votes of approval (for easy counting). Don't kid yourself, Dubbya is only liked by 1 in 5 of the nation, and thats about 20%. Surely?Aggiedave....its still a majority, I'll grant you that.Sorry to side track Rebecca. Despicable, but this is how people in that part of the world traditionally cull seals. These were protected so what happened is illegal. It was probably local salmon fishermen, the seals make a real mess of salmon, its not an excuse, more by way of an explanation. Not much compensation there.-------------------- He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me. Thomas Jefferson Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diablopilot 2 #22 November 5, 2004 QuoteA lot of people don't respect life (probably at least 48% in USA) 76% of all statistics are made up on the spot.---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StevePhelps 0 #23 November 5, 2004 good come back! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rebecca 0 #24 November 5, 2004 Dude,seriously. I know nature is violent. I know orcas toss a seal or two around in fun. But they're the animals. We're much, much worse. They were left there to rot. AN ENTIRE GENERATION of a protected species, and for WHAT? Sport? Protest? Anger that they might dare eat fish that would've brought in a buck or two? And don't even get me started on the abortion thing. Frankly, we don't need more of us. If a woman wants to legally end her pregnancy, that's her choice. It has nothing to do with this topic, so move on. you've got to ask yourself one question: 'Do I feel loquacious?' -- well do you, punk? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StevePhelps 0 #25 November 5, 2004 Quote>that is why people can club baby seals and abort babies and have > no consciience about it. I suspect you have never met anyone who's had an abortion, if you believe that. You suspect wrong Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
