Jib 0 #76 November 6, 2004 QuoteQuoteMaybe this had an effect: 43% of people with graduate school education voted for Bush. 49% of people who didn't finish high school voted for Bush. Quite right. Young people spending a lot of time with eletist liberal college professors does have a negative effect. I wonder what percentage of those graduate degrees are held by full-time professors, teachers or educational administrators?? -------------------------------------------------- the depth of his depravity sickens me. -- Jerry Falwell, People v. Larry Flynt Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kmcguffee 0 #77 November 6, 2004 QuoteI wonder what percentage of those graduate degrees are held by full-time professors, teachers or educational administrators?? Good one. IOW, people who have never held a job outside of the classroom. There is a saying among military and law enforcement "Those who can....do, those who can't......teach". That's not a jab at public school teachers either. What's the best way to turn an ultra-liberal into a conservative? Kick them out of their parent's house and make them get a real job. "Any fool can criticize, condemn and complain and most fools do." Ben Franklin Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Muenkel 0 #78 November 6, 2004 I remember back when I was in college, it was during the Reagan years. I had one professor for a history class. The man never followed the syllabus he handed out, but instead used up all the class time to scream about President Reagan. Correct me if I am wrong, but history usually is a study of the past. Reagan of course was the present. I remember being so enraged because I was paying this guy (well, actually my father was) to teach me history and instead I had to sit 3 hours a week and listen to his rants. BTW, the exams were not on Reagan but what was in the textbook. I did get an 'A' though. _________________________________________ Chris Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,135 #79 November 7, 2004 QuoteQuoteQuoteMaybe this had an effect: 43% of people with graduate school education voted for Bush. 49% of people who didn't finish high school voted for Bush. Quite right. Young people spending a lot of time with eletist liberal college professors does have a negative effect. I wonder what percentage of those graduate degrees are held by full-time professors, teachers or educational administrators?? A very small percentage. Graduate degrees are most common in business. And then there are physicians. And engineers. I wonder why over 50% of Americans send their kids to college when, according to people like you, college teachers are (complete the thought)... I wonder why college educated folks make way more money than others according to the census bureau when (according to you) the people who educate them are ..... I wonder why you can't even train as a physician or lawyer, or get licensed as a progfessional engineer, without a college degree when according to you....... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jib 0 #80 November 7, 2004 There are many excellent teachers at all levels. I never said otherwise. The shot I lobbed was at the ivory tower liberal indoctrinators who seem to have an affinity for campuses, since it was alleged that educated people didn't vote for Bush. QuoteI wonder why over 50% of Americans send their kids to college when, according to people like you, college teachers are (complete the thought)... Most people go to college because it's a hoop necessary to be eligible for many high paying jobs. For a lot of people, it's a 4-7 year party culminating in a degree with no useful direct application without graduate work, but that satisfies the requirement of bachelor's degree. It's also to network or find a husband. Personally, I don't think you have a great deal of choice or ability to determine whether the faulty is conservative. Also, my comment was intentionally broad as to encompass conscribed public school students. Not all college professors are even competent. I had a Freshman English professor (Ph.D) tell me that I needed to write to my peers level; apparently, I was writing beyond it. I learned more in a month of AP biology than a year of Bio for majors. The sad thing is that most college kids are not equipped with the experience, knowledge and intellectual development to articulate opposing positions when confronted with it. QuoteI wonder why college educated folks make way more money than others according to the census bureau when (according to you) the people who educate them are ..... They were the smartest to start with. QuoteI wonder why you can't even train as a physician or lawyer, or get licensed as a progfessional engineer, without a college degree when according to you.... I don't think most people to go college to get a technical degree or go on to graduate work. As for the original shot I took, you don't have to indoctrinate to teach. -------------------------------------------------- the depth of his depravity sickens me. -- Jerry Falwell, People v. Larry Flynt Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,135 #81 November 8, 2004 Well, maybe you should remember next time you feel like attacking educators that your (medical) doctor was trained by professors, your attorney was trained by professors, the folks who designed the planes you fly in were trained by professors, the folks who designed the electrical power plants that keep your lights on were trained by college professors, the folks who designed your Pentium processor (or any other) were trained by professors. The CRT that you stare at was invented by a professor. Magnetic storage (tapes, disk drives...) was invented by a professor. Practically every aspect of 21st Century life has been made possible by people trained by professors. Just because there are a few nut jobs out there is no excuse to make blanket attacks on educators. There are nut jobs to be found in all professions.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jib 0 #82 November 8, 2004 Well, maybe you should remember... what this thread is about and not try to change the subject. You're the one who came up with some uncited statistics that Bush supporters weren't as intelligent as Kerry supporters as measured by number of years in school. I merely asserted that there are a disproportionate number of educators who are flaming liberals. While educators provide an extremely valuable service to the world, they need to understand even they are not experts in everything. I could kick your ass in court and you could kick mine in math. BFD. Does that transfer into politics? Hell no! However, in my experience, the people that are idignant when not called Dr. (and didn't go to med school) tend to believe that they are god-like and infaliable in every way. Anyone with an opposing view is an insignificant insect that can be crushed or brushed off. The classroom is not for an exchange of anything. So, what was your point again? Professors failed to endoctrinate well enough?? -------------------------------------------------- the depth of his depravity sickens me. -- Jerry Falwell, People v. Larry Flynt Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
uncaged 0 #83 November 8, 2004 I think Dan Rather's part in the Bush victory should not go unnoticed... When the going gets weird, The weird turn pro... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,135 #84 November 8, 2004 Quote However, in my experience, the people that are idignant when not called Dr. (and didn't go to med school) tend to believe that they are god-like and infaliable in every way. So, what was your point again? Professors failed to endoctrinate well enough?? What does med school have do do with being "doctor"? Latin: doctor = teacher, and has been used in English that way since the 13th Century. The usage for medical practitioners is only just over 100 years old. Isn't it an irony that you you used the word "endoctrinate" (sic) in your post, which comes from the same Latin root (docere = to teach).... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
storm1977 0 #85 November 8, 2004 Wait.... Where is the source for the DATA you posted? Oh.... I see, you made it up!!!! Nice!!!! Can't prove your point.... Make shit up. KERRY WAS an Alien!!!!!!! ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,135 #86 November 8, 2004 QuoteWait.... Where is the source for the DATA you posted? Oh.... I see, you made it up!!!! Nice!!!! Can't prove your point.... Make shit up. KERRY WAS an Alien!!!!!!! Exit polls.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jib 0 #87 November 8, 2004 QuoteWhat does med school have do do with being "doctor"? Latin: doctor = teacher, and has been used in English that way since the 13th Century. The usage for medical practitioners is only just over 100 years old. Another hickjack. Okay, so a doctorate is a teaching degree... Not really required to be a teacher, but okay, I can live with that. Please tell us about the history of the term doctor beyond its applicability to medicine in the last 100 years. What you are saying only confirms what I am saying the demand to be called doctor is really an arrogant and archaic demand. Do you call boys "master?" Do you call a single lawyer "doctor?" Do you use calling cards? That went out a long time ago. So, why not just professor?? -------------------------------------------------- the depth of his depravity sickens me. -- Jerry Falwell, People v. Larry Flynt Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,135 #88 November 8, 2004 QuoteQuoteWhat does med school have do do with being "doctor"? Latin: doctor = teacher, and has been used in English that way since the 13th Century. The usage for medical practitioners is only just over 100 years old. Another hickjack. Okay, so a doctorate is a teaching degree... Not really required to be a teacher, but okay, I can live with that. Please tell us about the history of the term doctor beyond its applicability to medicine in the last 100 years. What you are saying only confirms what I am saying the demand to be called doctor is really an arrogant and archaic demand. Do you call boys "master?" Do you call a single lawyer "doctor?" Do you use calling cards? That went out a long time ago. So, why not just professor?? Well, Latin goes back some 2000+ years, so that's a pretty long history for "doctor" to mean teacher. Of course, the meanings of words can be changed, Medicine hijacked "doctor" in the late 19th century to mean medicine man. Lawyers came along even later with their JD degree. If you approve of that, then how could you object to gays hijackjing "marriage" to apply to homosexual relationships.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jib 0 #89 November 8, 2004 QuoteQuotePlease tell us about the history of the term doctor beyond its applicability to medicine in the last 100 years. Well, Latin goes back some 2000+ years, so that's a pretty long history for "doctor" to mean teacher. Yes and there are words for doctor in other languages too. How 'bout talking about English? I'm curious of when the meaning of the word "doctor" in common English, not dead languages or their root words, was used as a substitute for "teacher." QuoteOf course, the meanings of words can be changed, Medicine hijacked "doctor" in the late 19th century to mean medicine man. Lawyers came along even later with their JD degree. If you approve of that, then how could you object to gays hijackjing "marriage" to apply to homosexual relationships. Kallend, I have no idea what homosexual relationships have to do with arrogant professors unless you're trying to accuse them of being homosexual, but I doubt you are. Instead and as usual, you're just trying to change the issue you aren't winning or, in the case of liberals in general, when they decide the highjacked version better like the Bill of Rights or when they make a particular word politically incorrect. Let me ask my previous question more succintly: When did ordinary people in the United States of America, speaking American English, call their school teachers "doctor"? When did the Ph.D. degree become a requirement to be called teacher, er, I mean doctor?? -------------------------------------------------- the depth of his depravity sickens me. -- Jerry Falwell, People v. Larry Flynt Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,096 #90 November 8, 2004 Stop calling Kallend arrogant. (the usual warning.) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,135 #91 November 9, 2004 QuoteQuoteQuotePlease tell us about the history of the term doctor beyond its applicability to medicine in the last 100 years. Well, Latin goes back some 2000+ years, so that's a pretty long history for "doctor" to mean teacher. Yes and there are words for doctor in other languages too. How 'bout talking about English? I'm curious of when the meaning of the word "doctor" in common English, not dead languages or their root words, was used as a substitute for "teacher." QuoteOf course, the meanings of words can be changed, Medicine hijacked "doctor" in the late 19th century to mean medicine man. Lawyers came along even later with their JD degree. If you approve of that, then how could you object to gays hijackjing "marriage" to apply to homosexual relationships. Kallend, I have no idea what homosexual relationships have to do with arrogant professors unless you're trying to accuse them of being homosexual, but I doubt you are. Instead and as usual, you're just trying to change the issue you aren't winning or, in the case of liberals in general, when they decide the highjacked version better like the Bill of Rights or when they make a particular word politically incorrect. Let me ask my previous question more succintly: When did ordinary people in the United States of America, speaking American English, call their school teachers "doctor"? When did the Ph.D. degree become a requirement to be called teacher, er, I mean doctor??... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,135 #92 November 9, 2004 QuoteQuoteQuotePlease tell us about the history of the term doctor beyond its applicability to medicine in the last 100 years. Well, Latin goes back some 2000+ years, so that's a pretty long history for "doctor" to mean teacher. Yes and there are words for doctor in other languages too. How 'bout talking about English? I'm curious of when the meaning of the word "doctor" in common English, not dead languages or their root words, was used as a substitute for "teacher." QuoteOf course, the meanings of words can be changed, Medicine hijacked "doctor" in the late 19th century to mean medicine man. Lawyers came along even later with their JD degree. If you approve of that, then how could you object to gays hijackjing "marriage" to apply to homosexual relationships. Kallend, I have no idea what homosexual relationships have to do with arrogant professors unless you're trying to accuse them of being homosexual, but I doubt you are. Instead and as usual, you're just trying to change the issue you aren't winning or, in the case of liberals in general, when they decide the highjacked version better like the Bill of Rights or when they make a particular word politically incorrect. Let me ask my previous question more succintly: When did ordinary people in the United States of America, speaking American English, call their school teachers "doctor"? When did the Ph.D. degree become a requirement to be called teacher, er, I mean doctor?? The earliest mention in English is from Oxford (that is a place in in England) of "doctors" as university teachers is in 1184. Harvard (that is in the US) followed English tradition from the time of its founding, followed by all other US colleges and universities. John Harvard was himself a graduate of Emmanuel College, Cambridge (in England). Doctors' degrees of ancient origin include PhD and DD (doctor of divinity). The MD degree is of much more recent origin (19th Century). Sir Isaac Newton had a PhD degree. He was a Cambridge professor.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #93 November 12, 2004 QuoteMaybe this had an effect: 43% of people with graduate school education voted for Bush. 49% of people who didn't finish high school voted for Bush. Oh so you are saying that only stupid people voted for Bush? QuoteExit polls. The same exit polls that the Dems have said are not good indications all the time before this election?"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
storm1977 0 #94 November 12, 2004 Funny, the argument of Gay marriage on the ticket causing bush to win is apparently wrong!!! Exit Polls indicate 88% of blacks in the 11 states Gay Marriage ban was on the Ticket voted for Kerry. Of that same 88% of blacks who voted for kerry, 64% voted to Ban gay marriage. In conclusion, the gay marriage ban on the ticket seemed to bring out the black vote which helped Kerry.... too bad he lost even with that on the ticket!!! ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
