livendive 8 #1 November 2, 2004 So after all the rhetoric, haranguing, and borderline personal attacks, I'm curious how many opinions were swayed by conversations in this forum. Did you start out this campaign cycle expecting to vote one way and then go another based at least in part on knowledge gained here? Did you consider this to be just a partisan sparring ring that didn't affect your vote? Did you vote the way you expected to, but feel more confident in your choice based on things you learned here? Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CrazyIvan 0 #2 November 2, 2004 If you let this board to affect your vote...dude...you have issues. __________________________________________ Blue Skies and May the Force be with you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #3 November 2, 2004 I think your issues are worse if you close your mind to other people's point of view and don't research what other people have to say. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CanuckInUSA 0 #4 November 2, 2004 I'm not eligible to vote. But there's no way in hell the shit that goes on here would effect my vote if I had one. Try not to worry about the things you have no control over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CrazyIvan 0 #5 November 2, 2004 QuoteI think your issues are worse if you close your mind to other people's point of view and don't research what other people have to say. A-hem a-hem..I'm just giving my opinion, NOT affirming anything, besides, if a board like this is taken as a catalyst to define your vote, I believe that would be wrong up to certain point, indeed, here you listen to many ways of thought, some interesting, and some totally ridiculous, but, a decision for a vote, it's a little bit more complicated.__________________________________________ Blue Skies and May the Force be with you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #6 November 2, 2004 True, but I've changed my opinion on individual issues of which I didn't have much in depth knowledge about but got information from others on here and pointed in a direction to do my own research. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CrazyIvan 0 #7 November 2, 2004 Quotegot information from others on here and pointed in a direction to do my own research Exactly, here you just found the means to do your OWN research, not reading some posts and taking them as the law.__________________________________________ Blue Skies and May the Force be with you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nacmacfeegle 0 #8 November 2, 2004 It might be interesting to find out if anyone changed the way they normally vote for any reason. Lifelong Dem suddenly turning to the other side due to Kerry's bad hair style kinda thing. Maybe a thread for tomorrow, now the election is gone, guns are beaten to death, and everybody is pretty entrenched in their belief systems.....-------------------- He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me. Thomas Jefferson Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,151 #9 November 2, 2004 There was an interesting interview with a psychologist on the radio Sunday (I was listening as I drove home from the DZ). He pointed out the remarkably large % or Bush supporters who believe that SH was behind the 9/11 attacks and who believe that Iraq had WMDs, despite all the evidence to the contrary, even from the government's own sources. He said that this was a typical behavior of people who have a strong personal investment in a candidate such that they simply choose to ignore any information contrary to their position.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Michele 1 #10 November 2, 2004 Quote It might be interesting to find out if anyone changed the way they normally vote for any reason. Actually, that did happen for me during Clinton's second term. I voted for Clinton the first term, but voted against him the second term. I can't say I am a lifelong dem/repub, but what I can say is I look at issues, don't really consider parties per se, and vote my conscious at each election. As for the topic of the thread, there are many things I've learned via researching a comment/quote/thought posted here. Has it changed my mind? Hard to say, really. I do try to keep an open mind (sometimes unsuccessfully, but I do try) about positions, until I've researched them enough to satisfy myself that I can support my thoughts independently with adequate resources. But does that change my vote? Dunno....it makes me a bit more educated about the issues, though. And that's a good thing. Ciels- Michele ~Do Angels keep the dreams we seek While our hearts lie bleeding?~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
livendive 8 #11 November 2, 2004 QuoteI can't say I am a lifelong dem/repub, but what I can say is I look at issues, don't really consider parties per se, and vote my conscious at each election. Not including the non-partisan races, I tossed 5 votes to Libertarian candidates, 3 to Republicans, and the remainder (10-ish) to Democrats. Although the Democrats got a majority of my election votes, I'm sure they were in direct opposition to my votes on each and every ballot measure. Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TypicalFish 0 #12 November 2, 2004 QuoteTrue, but I've changed my opinion on individual issues of which I didn't have much in depth knowledge about but got information from others on here and pointed in a direction to do my own research. Same here. Especially when it comes to laws regarding gun ownership, interestingly enough."I gargle no man's balls..." ussfpa on SOCNET Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kennedy 0 #13 November 2, 2004 Well, with all the extra interest shown in this election, I think there are a lot of people switching sides for the presidential election. I know a LOT of Democrats who are voting Bush (either becuase they trust him more on security/defense or they just can't trust Kerry). I've also been listening to a lot of Democrats getting out there for Bush (particularly in Ohio). I bet there are a bunch of Republicans who are voting Kerry for wahtever reason. It doesn't have to be true for most people to believe it. With all the usually apathetic "party voters" being bombarded more than ever by political STUFF, there will be people switch hitting for this one. Are there any folks out there in the forum who are voting one party all the way, but voting for the other party's president? (Repubs with Kerry, or Demos with Bush?)witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #14 November 2, 2004 This forum simply solidified many of my votes. Plenty of folks on here reflect the rhetoric. May others provide some good solid reasoning, which sticks better with me. I was fairly undecided on the Presidential election. On here, I couldn't see much about the current POTUS to justify my vote. From Kerry, I don't hate him anymore, just still dislike. But, I got a greater understanding of issues from plenty on here that I cannot get from some newspaper endorsement. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tunaplanet 0 #15 November 2, 2004 QuoteI think your issues are worse if you close your mind to other people's point of view and don't research what other people have to say. The key is who you listen to. There are no liberals on here worthy of listening to. Almost all liberal posters on here just repeat the same babble they get from moveon.org and the DNC manual. Those people you definitly don't want to give any pause to. Forty-two Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,589 #16 November 2, 2004 QuoteThere are no liberals on here worthy of listening to. Oh -- I'll bet you say that to all the guys Wendy W.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #17 November 2, 2004 QuoteQuoteI think your issues are worse if you close your mind to other people's point of view and don't research what other people have to say. The key is who you listen to. There are no liberals on here worthy of listening to. Almost all liberal posters on here just repeat the same babble they get from moveon.org and the DNC manual. Those people you definitly don't want to give any pause to. See?? Point proven. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tunaplanet 0 #18 November 2, 2004 QuoteSee?? Point proven. No point made. Get an intelligent liberal on here and I'll listen to him and be open to his views. Forty-two Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,589 #19 November 2, 2004 How would you judge their intelligence? Wendy W.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #20 November 2, 2004 QuoteHow would you judge their intelligence? Wendy W. They just have to agree with him, duh! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rickjump1 0 #21 November 2, 2004 The Speakers Corner did not affect my vote, but it did enlighten me to the liberal cause. You guys and gals are dangerous... kidding. It was hard voting for a conservative candidate I didn't like. I did see democracy in action this morning in Okolona, Arkansas. There were three tables in the one room town hall: one to sign in, another to pick up/return ballots and one long table with pencils for voting. No booth, no machine; just a long piece of zig zag cardboard to give you a little privacy. Could this be the reason Arkansas is late getting votes counted? Maybe, but it was a relaxed friendly atmosphere probably not different from 100 years ago.Do your part for global warming: ban beans and hold all popcorn farts. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
livendive 8 #22 November 2, 2004 QuoteQuoteSee?? Point proven. No point made. Get an intelligent liberal on here and I'll listen to him and be open to his views. There are several intelligent liberals on here that I listen to. Of those leaning toward Kerry, I'd include Kallend, Bill Von, Quade, and PhillyKev (among others). Of those leaning toward Bush I'd include Pajarito, and umm... I'm having a hard time remembering others but I know there are some. There are also some intelligent conservatives on here, e.g. TomAiello, Kennedy, Douva (among others), and I listen to them as well. The arguments (loose use of the word) I tune out the quickest are those shrill rants that most often seem to come from the Republican side of liberalism. Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zenister 0 #23 November 2, 2004 QuoteIt might be interesting to find out if anyone changed the way they normally vote for any reason. absolutely... i voted Dem for the first time in my life..I usually vote Libertarian but have occasionally voted Republican.. (and actually did all three if you count AZ state elections)____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dorbie 0 #24 November 3, 2004 Where's the "Yes - I voted more times than I otherwise would have to counterract the opinions around here." option? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
