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QuoteA Bush defeat will have severe consequences for this country because the terrorists will be even more encouraged because they will be able to claim a much greater influence than they actually have.
I don't see either candidate as a real option to bring safety to this country. Bush is reckless on many fronts and his record is just as suspect as Kerry's. However, Kerry has admitted he has made bad choices and then try to learn/fix those mistakes. Bush admitted on national tv he hasn't made one mistake in this war. Arrogance is deadly. It is the same as being complacent while skydiving.
Bush had his chance. He had three years. Time is up, he is the weakest link. Goodbye!
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you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me....
I WILL fly again.....
you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me....
I WILL fly again.....
jakee 1,596
QuoteRather than make personal snipes, why don't you tell me where I'm wrong?
The truth is that the Left and OBL will claim victory if Bush loses just as OBL will. This will also allow OBL to recruit more terrorists because he can claim he is such a great leader that he influenced the US Elections.
So let me get this straight, you are attacking the left because if they win the election, they will claim victory in the election. What a bunch of arseholes.
No matter what you can say about the guy it isn't Kerry's fault that Islamic fundamentalists hate Bush. If Kerry is elected I'm sure it won't be long 'till he's on their bad side too.
Do you want to have an ideagasm?
SkyDekker 1,465
QuoteThe truth is that the Left and OBL will claim victory if Bush loses just as OBL will. This will also allow OBL to recruit more terrorists because he can claim he is such a great leader that he influenced the US Elections.
1. Guess Bush should have done his job and caught OBL then.
2. Doesn't reconcile with Bush saying OBL isn't important. So either Bush was lieing or he is stupid in your eyes, since OBL would be important in your stated scenario.
billvon 3,119
>What a bunch of arseholes.
I'll give you the benefit of the doubt here in case you were going after right wingers instead of gravitymaster, but consider yourself warned - you cannot attack people here that way, even if you think you're right.
I'll give you the benefit of the doubt here in case you were going after right wingers instead of gravitymaster, but consider yourself warned - you cannot attack people here that way, even if you think you're right.
QuoteQuoteThe truth is that the Left and OBL will claim victory if Bush loses just as OBL will. This will also allow OBL to recruit more terrorists because he can claim he is such a great leader that he influenced the US Elections.
1. Guess Bush should have done his job and caught OBL then.
2. Doesn't reconcile with Bush saying OBL isn't important. So either Bush was lieing or he is stupid in your eyes, since OBL would be important in your stated scenario.
Going back to my original observation which is how the Left takes glee in what it precieves Bush's inadequacies to be and how OBL makes the same observations, alines the Lefts goal with OBL and a loss by Bush will be viewed as a victory by terrorists. I should also include Zarquawi in my assessment as he and OBL have apparently joined forces. So even if OBL is caught, the Jihad will continue and it's a big mistake for the Left to associate the capture of OBL with any victory against terrorists or terrorism.
jakee 1,596
Sorry, I guess the tone of my post was lost along the way. The comment was sort of ironically aimed at 'the left' and was intended as a joke, certainly not a serious comment aimed at the right or anyone on this thread.
I've got rid of the little angry blokey, I hope that makes it a bit clearer.
I've got rid of the little angry blokey, I hope that makes it a bit clearer.
Do you want to have an ideagasm?
And the right never dances on Kerry's percieved inadequacies.QuoteGoing back to my original observation which is how the Left takes glee in what it precieves Bush's inadequacies to be
Which happened because of GW and his decisions. Therefore, Bush helped join these men and now we have a bigger threat.QuoteI should also include Zarquawi in my assessment as he and OBL have apparently joined forces.
QuoteSo even if OBL is caught, the Jihad will continue and it's a big mistake for the Left to associate the capture of OBL with any victory against terrorists or terrorism.
Because it is too late for that victory. OBL should have been caught long before we decided to overthrow any other country. This man claimed responsiblity for an attack on our country and Bush says that he didn't care about him anymore. Now that OBL has been around to roam free he has even more influence - something that is directly connected to Bush turning his attention away from that part of the world to a war that shouldn't have been fought. Thus, terrorism is worse because of GWs decisions.
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you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me....
I WILL fly again.....
you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me....
I WILL fly again.....
QuoteSo even if OBL is caught, the Jihad will continue and it's a big mistake for the Left to associate the capture of OBL with any victory against terrorists or terrorism.
Really?
So I guess the capture of Saddam Hussein was equally or even more unimportant?
Wayne
QuoteWhich happened because of GW and his decisions. Therefore, Bush helped join these men and now we have a bigger threat.
Please explain.
QuoteSo even if OBL is caught, the Jihad will continue and it's a big mistake for the Left to associate the capture of OBL with any victory against terrorists or terrorism.
Because it is too late for that victory. OBL should have been caught long before we decided to overthrow any other country. This man claimed responsiblity for an attack on our country and Bush says that he didn't care about him anymore. Now that OBL has been around to roam free he has even more influence - something that is directly connected to Bush turning his attention away from that part of the world to a war that shouldn't have been fought. Thus, terrorism is worse because of GWs decisions.
It is??? When was the last time there was a terrorist attack in the US? Explain how Bush could have reduced the threat of terrorism.
I would suggest you try thinking this through. Lets suppose the U.N. Inspectors had been given more time to search for WMD's in Iraq. Hopefully you recall the fiasco where SH required Inspectors to "make an appointment" before inspecting certain sites. Hopefully you will recall the indignation created when UN Inspectors wanted to search Mosques and hopefully you know by now that people like Al Sadr use Mosques to hide weapons.
Now, lets suppose that the Inspectors were give all the time they asked for and that by the summer of 2003, Hans Blix came out and declared Iraq free of WMDs. What would be the first thing France, Germany, China, and Russia would have demanded? The lifting of UN Sanctions. Hopefully, you realize by now that they were violating them thru the Oil for Food Program anyway and you understand there desire to legitamize their illegal acts.
Now, if you will direct your memory to the Duefler Report, you will remember that the report concluded that restarting Iraqs Nuclear, Chemical and Biological Weapons Programs was cited in the report as a main priority. This means that as soon as the sanctions were lifted, we would have been back to where we were in 1990 with an unsanctioned Iraq, free of UN Inspectors, with WMD Programs as a top priority.
Explain to me what should have been done.
Iraq is out of control, a total mess. Afghan is the same way. The man we originally went to get is still free, and the Taliban and AQ are growing in numbers again. Our invasion of Iraq is like an open wound that is infected which allows it to be a breeding ground for contempt, anger and more terrorism. All from GWs decisions.
Apparently since the terrorism hasn't been on your or GW's schedule, that means he has curbed it? They have time on their side. They can sit there, make threats, cause us to raise the threat level, spend millions on fake threats, cause the focus to be here meanwhile they regroup, heal, train, and grow in numbers in Pakastan, Afghan, Sudan, Phillipeans, etc. Terrorism isn't about ending freedom, its about terror! (duh?) It's not a constant attack, its the constant fear of attack they want us to have (something that Bush and Ridge have furthered). They feel that we will tire before they will and give up. Passion and nirvana drives them to annoy and scare us. They have the desire, motivation and interest to never stop; we just want to be able to get on an airplane without worries again. They want to be free of our influence, and they will terrorize us until that happens. So setting up a democracy in their neighborhood really pissed them off. OBL is still alive. Two threats against were made last week alone. How is that a better situation than before?
Terrorism has not stopped. It has happened around the world. Just because it has not happened on our shores does not make it ok. Attacks like the ones in Spain have been fueld by the hatred of the west, and because of our invasion in Iraq, and the choices GW made.
This is Bush's fault. He left OBL alive. He wrongfully invaded Iraq (you are honestly going to use a "what if" to justify a war and over 10,000 dead civilians when we only lost 3,000?) and fueld the hatred of thousands of new terrorists. His mishandling of troops, and the war in general has made Iraq unsafer than it has been in years. His screw up has left us a legacy of more terrorism.
The world is unsafe from terrorism because of Bush.
There is no hill to plant a flag upon in this war to declare victory. Bush treats this as that type of war. The terrorist don't want that prize....and that seems to escape him.
Apparently since the terrorism hasn't been on your or GW's schedule, that means he has curbed it? They have time on their side. They can sit there, make threats, cause us to raise the threat level, spend millions on fake threats, cause the focus to be here meanwhile they regroup, heal, train, and grow in numbers in Pakastan, Afghan, Sudan, Phillipeans, etc. Terrorism isn't about ending freedom, its about terror! (duh?) It's not a constant attack, its the constant fear of attack they want us to have (something that Bush and Ridge have furthered). They feel that we will tire before they will and give up. Passion and nirvana drives them to annoy and scare us. They have the desire, motivation and interest to never stop; we just want to be able to get on an airplane without worries again. They want to be free of our influence, and they will terrorize us until that happens. So setting up a democracy in their neighborhood really pissed them off. OBL is still alive. Two threats against were made last week alone. How is that a better situation than before?
Terrorism has not stopped. It has happened around the world. Just because it has not happened on our shores does not make it ok. Attacks like the ones in Spain have been fueld by the hatred of the west, and because of our invasion in Iraq, and the choices GW made.
This is Bush's fault. He left OBL alive. He wrongfully invaded Iraq (you are honestly going to use a "what if" to justify a war and over 10,000 dead civilians when we only lost 3,000?) and fueld the hatred of thousands of new terrorists. His mishandling of troops, and the war in general has made Iraq unsafer than it has been in years. His screw up has left us a legacy of more terrorism.
The world is unsafe from terrorism because of Bush.
There is no hill to plant a flag upon in this war to declare victory. Bush treats this as that type of war. The terrorist don't want that prize....and that seems to escape him.
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you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me....
I WILL fly again.....
you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me....
I WILL fly again.....
?? Al Qaeda stands to benefit if Bush wins. They thrive on arab resentment towards the US, and they live for violence in arab countries between arabs and US/Israel. It's their bread and butter.
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