SkyDekker 1,465 #26 November 1, 2004 Was it straight from Osama? Keep reading: After numerous rounds of "We don't even know if Osama is still alive," Osama himself decided to send George W. a letter in his own handwriting to let him know he was still in the game. Bush opened the letter and it appeared to contain a coded message: 370HSSV-0773H Bush was baffled, so he e-mailed it to Colin Powell. Colin and his aides had no clue either so they sent it to the FBI. No one could solve it so it went to the CIA, on then to the DIA, then to the Secret Service. With no clue as to it's meaning, they eventually asked Canada's Royal Canadian Mounted Police (RCMP) for help. The RCMP cabled the White House as follows: "Tell the President he is looking at the message upside down!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Michele 1 #27 November 1, 2004 PCcoder's link... Well, it's long, convoluted, and speaks a lot about how his offices were broken into. But it does nothing to explain a conspiracy, or articulate any realistic "plan" that Bush ordered. It's marginally interesting, but imho it doesn't begin to support a claim of "evidence" or "conspiracy." As for someone walking door-to-door well dressed and credible, so are Jehovah's witnesses...and I don't necessarily believe them, either. Ciels- Michele ~Do Angels keep the dreams we seek While our hearts lie bleeding?~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,111 #28 November 1, 2004 >Seems totally to be a troll, to me. Don't call people trolls. A better response is to simply not answer if you feel they are attempting to rile you up. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
storm1977 0 #29 November 1, 2004 Funny how UBL admits he was behind 9/11 in his latest tape.... wierd... ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jimmytavino 16 #30 November 1, 2004 hmmmmm... planned it???? i doubt it... .. make a decision ( along with his "brain trust" ) to aknowledge the "warnings",,, but look the other way???... maybeeee..... only problem,,, the attack was far far worse than expected.... On April 7 of this year, I began a thread entitled,"is it possible that this MAY have happened.? " .....I was just asking,,, I was not claiming the theory to be a FACT,,, I was wondering out loud if my imagination was way way over the edge.... But.. I was willing to accept the possiblility, which my thread suggested..... Welll man,,,,, I was BLASTED.... by my fellow dz dot commers......most said the idea was laughable.... still I think it could have happened... If i knew how,, I would try to highlight that thread,,, for you... Maybe someone else here can find it.. (It was in speakers corner and was started on april 7 2004.......) and make it clicky... thanks o[:-) jmy Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,146 #31 November 1, 2004 Quote hmmmmm... planned it???? i doubt it... .. make a decision ( along with his "brain trust" ) to aknowledge the "warnings",,, but look the other way???... maybeeee..... only problem,,, the attack was far far worse than expected.... On April 7 of this year, I began a thread entitled,"is it possible that this MAY have happened.? " .....I was just asking,,, I was not claiming the theory to be a FACT,,, I was wondering out loud if my imagination was way way over the edge.... But.. I was willing to accept the possiblility, which my thread suggested..... Welll man,,,,, I was BLASTED.... by my fellow dz dot commers......most said the idea was laughable.... still I think it could have happened... If i knew how,, I would try to highlight that thread,,, for you... Maybe someone else here can find it.. (It was in speakers corner and was started on april 7 2004.......) and make it clicky... thanks o[:-) jmy www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=1022346#1022346... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pccoder 0 #32 November 1, 2004 You know, like you said, who knows what ever really happened. But food for thought... The best way to get away with something is to get people to BELIEVE that whatever you did is so inconceivable that they'd never falter in their faith that you would NOT do it. Most people are too short minded to see past what they expect, and to have an open enough mind to accept the unexpected. Regardless of true or untrue, their is so much mystery and wierdness revolving around our current administration that you'd have to be a fool to not stop and wonder. PcCoder.net Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BillyVance 35 #33 November 1, 2004 I'm not going to speculate on whether Bush had a hand in the 9/11 attacks, though I would rather believe he didn't. Now Clinton on the other hand, had Sudan offer him Osama Bin Laden three times while he was in that country and Clinton declined the offers. Then later he makes a half-hearted attempt to bomb an empty terrorist camp in Afghanistan after the embassy bombings, if I'm not mistaken. On a totally different, but similar conspiracy theory, I saw part of a program on the History channel that talked about how Franklin D. Roosevelt secretly baited Japan into attacking Pearl Harbor just so he could get Congressional approval to declare war on Japan and Germany... So far, that's just a theory not yet proven... There was yet another program on the same channel accusing Lyndon B. Johnson of secretly planning JFK's assassination. Who knows what the truth is? Billy"Mediocre people don't like high achievers, and high achievers don't like mediocre people." - SIX TIME National Champion coach Nick Saban Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dtpilot 0 #34 November 1, 2004 OK pccoder...fuck off. You think that our president would go and do such a thing. You have got to have some serious problems. "Believe me! The secret of reaping the greatest fruitfulness and the greatest enjoyment from life is to live dangerously!" -- Friedrich Nietzsche Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #35 November 1, 2004 Welcome to the forum, shame it seems you won't be staying. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mardigrasbob 0 #36 November 1, 2004 George W. Bush allowed 9/11 to happen so that The Jews, oil companies, Republicans, Ann Coulter, white men, SUV owners, the Christian Coalition, and gun owners could conquer liberals. Conspiracy Generator ------------------------------ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #37 November 1, 2004 Oh yeah? Well... George W. Bush has not captured Osama bin Laden so that oil companies, SUV owners, the Christian Coalition, and gun owners could kill welfare recipients. Heehee...that's good. Wish it was a little more robust though. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dtpilot 0 #38 November 1, 2004 ok phillyKev I may have been out of line,... I am sorry. I just cant stand to see someone say such a thing when I have been over there to fight for the country and cant understand why someone would formulate such a conclusion "Believe me! The secret of reaping the greatest fruitfulness and the greatest enjoyment from life is to live dangerously!" -- Friedrich Nietzsche Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rickjump1 0 #39 November 2, 2004 QuoteGeorge W. Bush allowed 9/11 to happen so that The Jews, oil companies, Republicans, Ann Coulter, white men, SUV owners, the Christian Coalition, and gun owners could conquer liberals. Conspiracy Generator Shhhh...Loose lips sink ships ------------------------------Do your part for global warming: ban beans and hold all popcorn farts. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydyvr 0 #40 November 2, 2004 QuoteA guy was going door to door yesteray passing out information to people and wanted to know if I had heard about this. I have information about a new 24 hour diet -- gauranteed to help you lose 10-15 pounds overnight. Anyone interested? . . =(_8^(1) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peacefuljeffrey 0 #41 November 2, 2004 QuoteThe hand delivered comment was just to say that someone was actually taking the time to go door to door and hand out this information. What did this prove to you? Do you realize there are people who "take the time" to devise schemes to defraud the elderly out of their retirement savings? Do you realize there are people who "take the time" to telephone prospective voters to lie and tell them that their voting precinct has moved, so that they will go to the wrong place and possibly never get to vote? Your comment either shows naivete or a willfull self-deception. The fact that the person "took the time to go door to door should not have created in you the impression that his information was either true or even valuable. -Jeffrey-Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peacefuljeffrey 0 #42 November 2, 2004 Quote>Seems totally to be a troll, to me. Don't call people trolls. A better response is to simply not answer if you feel they are attempting to rile you up. Bill, I was referring to the post, not the person. I guess that wasn't clear, though. I can see how that sentence could be taken either way. I recall being directly called a troll in another thread. Not sure how that one turned out, though. I was notified by someone that he had indeed been banned, but I don't know if it was the person who called me that. Anyway, I won't call people trolls. -Jeffrey-Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peacefuljeffrey 0 #43 November 2, 2004 QuoteYou know, like you said, who knows what ever really happened. But food for thought... The best way to get away with something is to get people to BELIEVE that whatever you did is so inconceivable that they'd never falter in their faith that you would NOT do it. Most people are too short minded to see past what they expect, and to have an open enough mind to accept the unexpected. What would be required of us to believe that Bush planned 9/11 is for us to think that Bush is actually a completely mad, psychopathic murderer of the James-Bond-Villain variety. That's really out-there, dude. Even for Democrats. QuoteRegardless of true or untrue, their is so much mystery and wierdness revolving around our current administration that you'd have to be a fool to not stop and wonder. It is one thing to be circumspect, and to be ready and willing to evaluate conflicting information, and it is altogether different to give equal credence to preposterous ideas. Stop and wonder, fine. Stop and wonder if it was Bush acting under the mind-control rays of Martians, not fine. -Jeffrey-Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pccoder 0 #44 November 2, 2004 your responses have been very clear. you do not have an open mind. that is unfortunate. please do not try to be an amateur pyschologist with me. the post was to ask nothing more than DID ANYONE ELSE HEAR ABOUT THIS?????? Not, bash me, tell me I am ignorant or anything else like that. God, people can be so quick to fight and prove their point that they don't take the time to do anything but that. You'd think that by some of the responses I have received that some of you were blowing George Bush and were personally insulted that the taste on your lips isn't kosher. PcCoder.net Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #45 November 2, 2004 QuoteYou'd think that by some of the responses I have received that some of you were blowing George Bush and were personally insulted that the taste on your lips isn't kosher. That is the funniest thing I have read in quite some time........ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mardigrasbob 0 #46 November 2, 2004 ROFLMAO Kosher goat anyone? -------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest #47 November 2, 2004 QuoteYou know, like you said, who knows what ever really happened. But food for thought... More like junk-food for thought. mh . Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #48 November 2, 2004 Damn...I'm going to blow that up and give it to the homeless guy someone paid $10 to stand out on the street with the Honk for Kerry sign. Best thing about tomorrow will be NO MORE FUCKING HONKING. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Michele 1 #49 November 2, 2004 I've been thinking about the difference between unlikely conspiracy theories and reality. To me, what usually indicates a farfetched, unlikely conspiracy and the reality of a thing is the explanation process. With reality, one can explain certain aspects without having to add more data to the information there. With conspiracy theories like this one, one must add more data to explain again how things work. For example, Scott Peterson's murder case. In reality, the evidence was figured out, detective work was done, and he was arrested for the crime. However, the theory then developed by his defense attorney that his baby wasn't full term (added data), which means that Lacy was kidnapped (added data), kept alive (added data), and then murdered after giving birth (added data). In this specific example, there are at least three things which were added to explain away Scott's guilt. In 9/11 and this particular situation, the added data is: Bush planned things, Wolfowitz and a few others back in college planned this, OBL and the Bin Ladins were included and brought in many years ago, there were "dress rehearsals," there was at least one break in to continue the coverup (and perhaps more), Bush kept reading/listening to the goat story, there is an unknown person who told his mother to not go to work, and on and on. The more data added to explain something, the more layers created, the more explanations given to explain away new facts (like OBL taking responsibility for the 9/11 attack), and so on leads one to the conclusion that this isn't real. And one note on sane folks who believe in conspiracy theories like this...(and I am deliberately excluding those with a mental illness...that's a whole different story...), is that an event as large and impactful as this, or the JFK assassination, is very very difficult to assimilate into our world, as indeed these are world changing events. And with anything that affects us in a day-to-day way, it is important to understand how it occurred, so we can protect ourselves from additional changes and from additional fear. It's far easier to say Bush planned 9/11 than it is to look at the factual data and say, "well, we're vulnerable. I could die in the next moment because of some guy who lives in a cave on the other side of the globe" and still maintain our lives with rhythm, rhyme and reason. If Bush planned it, you see, all we need to do is vote him out of office, and we're safe. We maintain a modicum of control with that scenario, and can affect the outcome of our lives if we have that control...or so we believe. But is that the truth? The truth is a madman on the other side of the globe attacked us, killed 3,000 of our citizens, and Bush didn't plan it. Just my take on things... Ciels- Michele ~Do Angels keep the dreams we seek While our hearts lie bleeding?~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #50 November 2, 2004 So based on your theory, would the reasons for the Iraq war be based on reality or conspiracy theory? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
