Who would Osama vote for?

[quade 4]

I -believe- that the CNN transcript is as much as is publically available.

According to the latest CNN update on the story;

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The length of the tape received by the U.S. government is 18 minutes. Bin Laden spoke for 14 minutes and 39 seconds. U.S. officials would not comment on what else is on the tape.

I do NOT believe this is any sort of coverup and I'm almost certain it probably couldn't be any -more- inflammatory that what -was- shown.

I will say that it's interesting the speculation behind the timing of the tape with both sides saying some -very- interesting things.

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[Michele 1]

Quade, if that's as much as is publicly available, then we're most definitely jumping the gun with any sort of commentary/opinion...that part of the tape didn't say much, and may be explained/contradicted in other parts of the tape.

I also can't agree with you that the bit which has been made public, is "less" inflammatory than that which was withheld. But again, we can't know that until we are able to compare and determine.

The only thing we can competently comment on is that OBL does very little by accident and is not cooincidental with much of what he does. I would therefore posit that the timing is either an indirect call to action (coupled with the other tape from Adam whatshisname) (and indirect because he calls, in other tapes, for action...and yet doesn't here...), or we are not seeing OBL saying "vote for XX candidate."

If there is a comment about which candidate to choose, then that would indeed be inflammatory, and would likely swing the election one or the other way (which way, I have no idea...).

Yet still and all, the commentary about Israel, the decision to obliterate the WTC, and so on is inane inasmuch as history tells us differently....whether or not he likes the Bush family or not does not explain Project Bojinka, WTC '93, USS Cole, et al.

So I am left partially retracting my comment about mutter putter, because I don't have access to the full transcripts...but I still think the commentary made leans towards inanity. Or insanity...LOL...

Ciels-
Michele

~Do Angels keep the dreams we seek
While our hearts lie bleeding?~

[quade 4]

I didn't say any parts were more or less inflammatory. I said I couldn't imagine anything more inflammatory than the part that had been released.

I disagree on the seriousness of the message, because, to me, it does mean quite a bit and -could- mean much more to the terrorists.

For instance, you might not be aware of it, but messages such as these have been used, since the advent of radio, as codes by which the timing of attacks takes place.

The message -also- very much confirms that OBL is alive and well and still could be in control of the terrorist.

GWB said years ago that he wanted OBL "dead or alive", that it was our top priority and that OBL could run, but he could not hide.

This message makes it -very- clear that OBL can run and hide and is capable of commanding strikes again in spite of the efforts of GWB.

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[Tonto 1]

Bush.

He's done nothing to catch him in 3 years. What would change in the next 4?

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It's the year of the Pig.

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GWB said years ago that he wanted OBL "dead or alive", that it was our top priority

By spring 2002, Bush had changed his mind about that. Maybe if Kerry is elected, we could return to focusing on Al Quaeda.
Unfortunately we will still also have to shovel our way through the all the shit Bush has gotten us into.

Personally I don't think it matters who Asshole bin Laden wants for president, and I'm not convinced it matters that much even to him.
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Personally I don't think it matters who Asshole bin Laden wants for president, and I'm not convinced it matters that much even to him.

Personally, I'd rather see us devote time and effort into dismantling the Al Queda network rather than focus on one man. I'd rather get 10 of them than 1 of him.

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Personally, I'd rather see us devote time and effort into dismantling the Al Queda network rather than focus on one man.

We have focused our attention on Laden and all of Al Qadea. Hundreds of members have been captured.

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[quade 4]

Al Queada is a hydra to be sure. Cut off the head and two more will grow in its place, but Osama is "special" in that he is also a spiritual leader and the founder of the movement.

Taking down Osama will do a lot to demoralize the movement and more importantly cut off -quite- a bit of funding. Remember he -personally- is worth billions and is finances a large part of the operation. True, he'll become a martyr in the process, but it will also prove that the movement can be taken down.

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Taking down Osama will do a lot to demoralize the movement and more importantly cut off -quite- a bit of funding. Remember he -personally- is worth billions and is finances a large part of the operation.

I know that his family is worth billions, but they've disowned him, correct? Is -he- worth billions, also?

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True, he'll become a martyr in the process, but it will also prove that the movement can be taken down.

Will it? This seems contradictory to your first statement.

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Jim

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Is -he- worth billions, also?

No he is not. Quade is incorrect.

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[quade 4]

I stand corrected.

He's "only" worth hundreds of millions.

His family which also makes contributions to his effort is clearly worth billions.

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His family which also makes contributions to his effort is clearly worth billions.

Got a source? I know his family is worth billions; I'm looking for a source on their support AQ.

If it's true that his family contributes to the efforts of AQ, what makes you think that they wouldn't contribute to his successor?

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[quade 4]

Of course, you're not going to find a lot of proof that his family is supporting him, but . . . ;

http://archives.cnn.com/2001/COMMUNITY/11/08/inv.carbonara/

http://www.libertyforum.org/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=news_news&Number=292994791

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If it's true that his family contributes to the efforts of AQ, what makes you think that they wouldn't contribute to his successor?

They may, but then again, they wouldn't have a direct connection to the leader of the terrorist organization, so, they might not.

Either way, it'd be nice to find out by taking OBL out of action.

I mean, seriously, just because they -may- continue their support of terrorism you'd let OBL go?

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Either way, it'd be nice to find out by taking OBL out of action.

Agreed. But as I said earlier, I'd rather have 10 of them than one of him.

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I mean, seriously, just because they -may- continue their support of terrorism you'd let OBL go?

Nope. Not at all. See above.

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Jim

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His family which also makes contributions to his effort is clearly worth billions.

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you're not going to find a lot of proof that his family is supporting him

Like I said, he is not worth billions. Period.

Forty-two