Milo 0 #1 October 30, 2004 What do you think? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #2 October 30, 2004 Wrong question. Why don't you read a transcript of his latest video and then ask yourself the right one.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Milo 0 #3 October 30, 2004 QuoteWrong question. Why don't you read a transcript of his latest video and then ask yourself the right one. Transcript link, please. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #4 October 30, 2004 http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/10/29/bin.laden.transcript/index.htmlquade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Michele 1 #5 October 30, 2004 O.K., so he's campaigning for Kerry.... What a puttermutter poofty moofty piece of inanity. Does that make any sense? Any sense at all??? Ciels- Michele ~Do Angels keep the dreams we seek While our hearts lie bleeding?~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #6 October 30, 2004 Well, maybe to you it's a piece of inanity, but to me he said some interesting things. 1. OBL was initially pissed off because of the actions of Reagan. 2. OBL at first liked Bush 41, but came to hate him. 3. OBL had a problem with yet another generation of Bush Presidency. A lot of folks have asked what Gore would have done had he become President and last year I stated right on this web site that it was entirely possible that had Bush 43 never been President we may not have been attacked to begin with. http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=655279;search_string=attacks;#655279 OBL basically just confirmed that.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jimbo 0 #7 October 30, 2004 QuoteA lot of folks have asked what Gore would have done had he become President and last year I stated right on this web site that it was entirely possible that had Bush 43 never been President we may not have been attacked to begin with. http://www.dropzone.com/...ring=attacks;#655279 OBL basically just confirmed that. Sure, if you can trust him. Can you? - Jim"Like" - The modern day comma Good bye, my friends. You are missed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #8 October 30, 2004 It's entirely possible that OBL in his latest video is just blowing smoke -- I'll grant you that. However, think about the actual words he used. He has unmistakenly admitted responsibility for the events of 9/11, which is something he has hinted around at in previous messages, but to my knowledge this is the first time he came right out and said it. Right after that, he gave us the reason he attacked. Can we trust him? No. Do I believe him? Well, actually . . . yes. At this point he has no real reason to lie about the issue AND he even says he doesn't really care who wins -- just that the Bush family is the reason we were attacked. He also hints at some other stuff that I won't speculate too much on the reality of, but if at a later date he comes right out at says it, it's going to make one particular "left" documentary film make look like a freekin' genius. Finally . . . there's the "My Pet Goat" reference . . . who was it that said GWB was projecting an image of strength when he did that? I don't think OBL saw it -quite- the same way. So, the right question you have to ask is . . .; "Do you feel safer now than you did four years ago?"quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jimbo 0 #9 October 30, 2004 QuoteSo, the right question you have to ask is . . .; "Do you feel safer now than you did four years ago?" If we're playing the safety game (I think there's more to this election than that, but that's another thread), I think the question you have to ask is: Will you feel safer with Bush at the helm, or Kerry. The past is the past - nobody in the right mind would feel safer after OBL brought terrorism right here to our doorstep. QuoteDo I believe him? Well, actually . . . yes. At this point he has no real reason to lie about the issue AND he even says he doesn't really care who wins -- just that the Bush family is the reason we were attacked. It's a great way to influence the election, isn't it? - Jim"Like" - The modern day comma Good bye, my friends. You are missed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #10 October 30, 2004 Well, it IS October -- SURPRISE! In all seriousness. I think his only interest in the election is thinking that -maybe- if GWB is out of office that -maybe- he won't get captured or killed, but unfortunately for him, I actually think just the opposite. I mean, look at the history of the hunt for OBL. Look at the focus of our military and where resources have been allocated. I think Kerry actually -will- make the hunt for OBL -the- primary focus, whereas, unfortunately, I believe that GWB lost focus on that when he marched into Iraq.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,120 #11 October 30, 2004 >In all seriousness. I think his only interest in the election is thinking >that -maybe- if GWB is out of office that -maybe- he won't get >captured or killed . . . ??? But Bush didn't capture him; he bailed on him at least once, and has shown he is willing to let terrorists go (Zarquai) for political purposes. The Iraq war is driving recruits into Al Qaeda in record numbers. The largest threat to his organization is international cooperation; our allies have made most of the arrests and killings of the Al Qaeda leadership, and the current administration has a great track record of alienating our allies. Bin Laden is praying for a Bush win; four more years of the same freedom (and new recruits) he's had for the last three. And he just delivered a videotape that may just help that win happen. There's joy in a cave somewhere tonight. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peckerhead 0 #12 October 30, 2004 Fuck osama bin laden! I can't believe anyone cares what that asshole thinks. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ahegeman 0 #13 October 30, 2004 QuoteWell, maybe to you it's a piece of inanity, but to me he said some interesting things. 1. OBL was initially pissed off because of the actions of Reagan. 2. OBL at first liked Bush 41, but came to hate him. 3. OBL had a problem with yet another generation of Bush Presidency. A lot of folks have asked what Gore would have done had he become President and last year I stated right on this web site that it was entirely possible that had Bush 43 never been President we may not have been attacked to begin with. http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=655279;search_string=attacks;#655279 OBL basically just confirmed that. Methinks Mr. Quade is trying to goad some of the local conservatives into getting themselves banned. Cute. You are more than welcome to take your voting cues from Osama. You are living in a dreamworld. OBL is going to say whatever he thinks will win him points. Congratulations for being among the most easily manipulated.--------------------------------------------------------------- There is a fine line between 'hobby' and 'mental illness'. --Dave Barry Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
miked10270 0 #14 October 30, 2004 Now that I've seen the tape and read Al-Jazeera's transcript... Who would Osama vote for? Himself of course. It's interesting that the "reasons" for 9/11 have now shifted to Palestine and Lebanon. ANd by a STRANGE coincidence, it's being issued just as Yasser Arafat is suffering serious ill health. This was for Mid-East, and particularly Palestinian / Lebanese / Syrian consumption. So yeah... Osama is trying on Yasser Arafat's shoes with the intention of stepping into them!! It's debateable whether he's making a bid for the PLO leadership in an attempt to legitimise himself and turn politician, or if he intends returning the PLO to the "Bad old Days". Remember he's a megalomaniac and "legitimate" power as the leader of a political organisation will feed his vanity more that leader of a terrorist organisation. This leads on to his endorsement of Kerry. Again this raises a fundamental question: Is OBL, as a sworn enemy of the US, deliberately endorsing the candidate he hopes will lose? OR... Is OBL, as part of his attempt to legitimise himself and emerge as the leader of a political force, endorsing the candidate he feels more likely to be able to "do business" with? This question is further complicated by the fact that (like it or not) there is a "Muslim" voting block in the US! Like the old Chinese curse says... We're living in interesting times. Mike. Taking the piss out of the FrenchAmericans since before it was fashionable. Prenait la pisse hors du FrançaisCanadiens méridionaux puisqu'avant lui à la mode. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #15 October 30, 2004 Quote Methinks Mr. Quade is trying to goad some of the local conservatives into getting themselves banned. Cute. Not at all. I just find it interesting that he now says what some have been saying as a possibility for over a year. As I've also said, I think it's a total wash as far as any of his attempts go at election manipulation. The reality is that about 1/2 the voting population of the US will continue to think that GWB makes them safer and the other half will continue to think GWB makes them less safe. In the people that had already decided who they were going to vote for, I seriously doubt OBL's comment swayed even a few votes. If you look at the undecided voters, my guess is that if they couldn't make up their mind over the candidates based on their statements, OBL's comment and whether or not to "believe" them should actually make their heads explode like so many Star Trek episodes where they defeat the machine intelligence running the society with a simple circular logic puzzle. Quote OBL is going to say whatever he thinks will win him points. So will either candidate. Quote Congratulations for being among the most easily manipulated. Seriously?quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
likearock 2 #16 October 30, 2004 Quote Bin Laden is praying for a Bush win; four more years of the same freedom (and new recruits) he's had for the last three. And he just delivered a videotape that may just help that win happen. There's joy in a cave somewhere tonight. I think you're right. It's hard to see how a video where he comes out bashing Bush the way he does won't hurt Kerry since the much of the electorate will not want to support the choice of our most hated enemy. But bin Laden seems to understand our psychology quite well and you've got to think he was deliberate in his actions. Sure, if his goal is to deal with us, he would favor Kerry in spite of Kerry's insistence on hunting him down. But if his real goal is to foment the second Crusades as soon as possible (and let's not forget who we're dealing with here), wouldn't Bush be the better choice? He wants four more years as badly as the Republicans do. Wayne Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rmsmith 1 #17 October 30, 2004 QuoteIt's interesting that the "reasons" for 9/11 have now shifted to Palestine and Lebanon. The reasons haven't changed at all. Our newspapers have had many articles for the U.S. public to digest that always deflect any blame or criticism away from Israel's struggle with its neighbors. Osama has merely spelled it out for those too dull to see what is going on. I'm surprised that the Saudis have never used their wealth to buy some major American newspaper publishing companies in order to get out a counter-point perspective. Personally, I think that the U.S. shouldn't support any government that doesn't have a clear separation of church and state. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sundevil777 102 #18 October 30, 2004 Quoteit was entirely possible that had Bush 43 never been President we may not have been attacked to begin with. Then why was the WTC bombed the first time uner Clinton? Following this logic we should have a summit with Middle East dictatorships to find out how we can make them more happy so they don't want to attack us. The Dem claim that OBL actually wants Bush to be elected, and endorsig Kerry is his way of making that happen, is really stretching. Maybe he is using triple reverse psychology, or quadruple...People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rmsmith 1 #19 October 30, 2004 QuoteThe Iraq war is driving recruits into Al Qaeda in record numbers. It is years of economic sanctions around the world that ferment hatred and violence; Al Qaeda simply offers the means of an effective response. On the ground in Iraq it is pretty easy to ambush U.S. soldiers and civilian contractors. I don't doubt for a second that they would carry out these relentless attacks on our own soil if it were easy to do so. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Trent 0 #20 October 30, 2004 QuoteI just find it interesting that he now says what some have been saying as a possibility for over a year. THAT'S IT, IT'S CONFIRMED... F911 was all true. OBL just confirmed it. I believe it so much, I'm voting for Kerry! Do MAYBE think that he has seen or has been told what conspiracy theories the movie contains and wants to play on it to further divide a nation? Just maybe? Nah, that's outside the realm of possibility, he wouldn't lie to us!! It's our friend OBL! When will anyone learn that the very fact that Americans, who are anything but Muslim, exist is one of the jihad-tards' primary reasons for wanting us exterminated. Add to that the fact that we do not, and will not stand to live under islamic government, and POW!!!, we become the great satan. Israel, Palestine, Iraq, these are all just pet causes that serve an ego-maniac's agenda because it gets people to listen to him. It was wierd when I heard the transcript on the radio. I figured that so many people would begin to realize that islamic fundamentalists will do anything to hurt the US, and nothing we can ever do will change that. Apparently, some realities are so warped that they think it gives us more reason to "understand" these people to a victory.Oh, hello again! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
likearock 2 #21 October 30, 2004 QuoteQuoteit was entirely possible that had Bush 43 never been President we may not have been attacked to begin with. Then why was the WTC bombed the first time uner Clinton? Good point. I think it's much more likely that bin Laden is just yanking our chain, dangling the terrorism carrot, which is politically just as important as the stick. Quote The Dem claim that OBL actually wants Bush to be elected, and endorsig Kerry is his way of making that happen, is really stretching. Maybe he is using triple reverse psychology, or quadruple... Not so complicated really. OBL hates GWB, that's clear from the video. He also wants to continue to engage him because he knows that's the ultimate fight. We believe in that kind of thing when we see it in John Wayne and Clint Eastwood (or Rudolph Guiliani as a young prosecutor if you need a real life example). Why is it so hard to believe it in bin Laden? BTW, I'm not a Democrat. Wayne Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tunaplanet 0 #22 October 30, 2004 QuoteWhy don't you read a transcript of his latest video and then ask yourself the right one. So now you believe mass-murdering terrorists and everything they say as the truth. Nice. Forty-two Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #23 October 30, 2004 i think he preferes the bullet to the ballot box.When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #24 October 30, 2004 Quote So now you believe mass-murdering terrorists and everything they say as the truth. Where'd ya get THAT?!? What I said (and you quoted) was, "Why don't you read a transcript of his latest video and then ask yourself the right one." There's nothing about actually "believing" him in there, just that YOU have to decided if the "voting" question is actually the right one to ask based on it. That said and as I've said before, a person might go nuts trying to figure out the logic problems surrounding this one. Was he trying to get GWB re-elected or Kerry elected by making his statement? Well, if you think you can really figure that one out . . . please, I'd love to see the logic for either case. Also as I said before, I don't think the message is going to sway many that had previously already decided which way they were going to vote and the undecideds . . . they're a hopeless case . . . make up you're freekin' minds already. quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Michele 1 #25 October 30, 2004 I am temporarily withdrawing my mutter putter comment....I've just heard that we've only seen/heard 4 sections of a much longer video. Until the rest of the video is released, I can't call it inanity with any honesty. But I must admit, I'm leaning that direction. Does anyone have any link to a complete transcript? Ciels- Michele ~Do Angels keep the dreams we seek While our hearts lie bleeding?~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
