Botellines 0 #1 October 28, 2004 I am on holiday in Poland and while visiting Cracovia i had to pay a visit to the concentration camp in Auswitz. Not nice, i can tell you that. There is a quote from Hitler writen on a wall that was very insighting. (I will post a picture when i return) "I will provide a cause for the war, wether true or not is irrelevant for propaganda purposes" Adolf Hitler I am not sure wether it was Hitler who said it or Nostradamus, but just in case it was the latest there is still hope November the 2nd. Let the bashing begin!, i will not be able to read it till November 3rd Peace. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnischalke 0 #2 October 28, 2004 Wow, A thread that self-destructed upon its own creation. As an aside, I am so proud to have been born an American. I am so happy I can actually vote on Nov. 2. mike Girls only want boyfriends who have great skills--You know, like nunchuk skills, bow-hunting skills, computer-hacking skills. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pajarito 0 #3 October 28, 2004 My Granddad was one of the US Army infantry soldiers who Invaded occupied France, fought to defeat the Nazis, and walked into and eliminated the concentration camps like the one you mentioned. GOD BLESS AMERICA!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnischalke 0 #4 October 28, 2004 WWII: A war we had much less business entering. Glad we did tho. All our European "friends" would be speaking German. I don't speak much German. I am an American. Did I mention that I can and will vote on Nov. 2? mike Girls only want boyfriends who have great skills--You know, like nunchuk skills, bow-hunting skills, computer-hacking skills. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nightingale 0 #5 October 28, 2004 How can you say we had less business entering it?? Japan, a direct ally of the Germans attacked us on December 7, 1941. After we were attacked by the ally of Nazi Germany, we entered the war. They bombed us first. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pajarito 0 #6 October 28, 2004 QuoteDid I mention that I can and will vote on Nov. 2? I'm going to vote early next week. Yup...best country on the planet!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #7 October 28, 2004 QuoteMy Granddad was one of the US Army infantry soldiers who Invaded occupied France, fought to defeat the Nazis, and walked into and eliminated the concentration camps like the one you mentioned. GOD BLESS AMERICA!!! I ahve two grandfather who fought in that war, on three different continents...never mind family members who fought in the resistance.. GOD BLESS HOLLAND AND CANADA Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites pajarito 0 #8 October 28, 2004 QuoteI ahve two grandfather who fought in that war, on three different continents...never mind family members who fought in the resistance.. GOD BLESS HOLLAND AND CANADA Totally agree. I have the deepest respect for everyone from that generation who fought with the Allied forces. My Granddad's best friend in the war and whom he served side by side with was a French-Canadian nicknamed "Tet." He spoke of him often. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SkyDekker 1,465 #9 October 28, 2004 I have a book with a listing and description of every mission my grandfather flew in south east asia during WWII, amazing stuff........ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mnischalke 0 #10 October 28, 2004 Hmmm, So Japan bombs the US. Check. The US declares war on Japan the next day. Check. So remind me again why instead of simply fighting our aggressors, we also went to Europe to fight the Germans and Italians? mike Girls only want boyfriends who have great skills--You know, like nunchuk skills, bow-hunting skills, computer-hacking skills. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SkyDekker 1,465 #11 October 28, 2004 QuoteSo remind me again why instead of simply fighting our aggressors, we also went to Europe to fight the Germans and Italians? Because a declaration of war on japan automatically meant a declaration of war on the other participants.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites juanesky 0 #12 October 28, 2004 Because Germany declared war against the US."According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites juanesky 0 #13 October 28, 2004 It's not surprising you don't know the actual facts."According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mnischalke 0 #14 October 28, 2004 Correct! Dec. 11 Germany and Italy declared war on the US. But does a declaration of war by countrys several thousand miles away, which are already embroiled in war on every front, mean we must send troops to fight those countries? Remember, the Germans and Italians had done nothing against the US at this point. mike Girls only want boyfriends who have great skills--You know, like nunchuk skills, bow-hunting skills, computer-hacking skills. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mnischalke 0 #15 October 28, 2004 Incorrect. The US declared war on Japan on Dec. 8. (Japan) mike Girls only want boyfriends who have great skills--You know, like nunchuk skills, bow-hunting skills, computer-hacking skills. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SkyDekker 1,465 #16 October 28, 2004 QuoteIt's not surprising you don't know the actual facts. Congressional Declaration of War on Japan: December 8, 1941 Germany declared War on the US: December 11, 1941 Now, why do you think Germany declared war on the US on that date? Do you really think it had nothing to do with the US declaration of War on Japan? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites juanesky 0 #17 October 28, 2004 Mike, Congress passed a resolution on that day Dec 11. QuoteQuote Congressional Declaration of War on Germany December 11, 1941 The President's Message To the Congress of the United States: On the morning of Dec. 11 the Government of Germany, pursuing its course of world conquest, declared war against the United States. The long-known and the long-expected has thus taken place. The forces endeavoring to enslave the entire world now are moving toward this hemisphere. Never before has there been a greater challenge to life, liberty and civilization. Delay invites great danger. Rapid and united effort by all of the peoples of the world who are determined to remain free will insure a world victory of the forces of justice and of righteousness over the forces of savagery and of barbarism. Italy also has declared war against the United States. I therefore request the Congress to recognize a state of war between the United States and Germany, and between the United States and Italy. Franklin D. Roosevelt The War Resolution Declaring that a state of war exists between the Government of Germany and the government and the people of the United States and making provision to prosecute the same. Whereas the Government of Germany has formally declared war against the government and the people of the United States of America: Therefore, be it Resolved by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled, that the state of war between the United States and the Government of Germany which has thus been thrust upon the United States is hereby formally declared; and the President is hereby authorized and directed to employ the entire naval and military forces of the government to carry on war against the Government of Germany; and to bring the conflict to a successful termination, all of the resources of the country are hereby pledged by the Congress of the United States "According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SkyDekker 1,465 #18 October 28, 2004 the two of you may want to look up the Three-Power Pact signed in Berlin on September 27, 1940 before you both stick your foot deeper in your mouth..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites PhillyKev 0 #19 October 28, 2004 QuoteSo remind me again why instead of simply fighting our aggressors, we also went to Europe to fight the Germans and Italians? Ummm, because they were blowing up our commercial shipping vessels and declared war against us. Check. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites juanesky 0 #20 October 28, 2004 QuoteQuoteSo remind me again why instead of simply fighting our aggressors, we also went to Europe to fight the Germans and Italians? Because a declaration of war on japan automatically meant a declaration of war on the other participants.... [helps taking foot out of mouth]and the word automatically would have meant that they did not need to declare war against the US did it? Yet they did. It is a fact, regardless of motivation, they took a pen, a piece of paper and wrote, "dear US, we declare war on your ass", it was not so automatic as you can see.[/helps put foot back where it belongs]"According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mnischalke 0 #21 October 28, 2004 Yep. Sounds like Germany and Italy was a pretty big threat to the US, although they had done nothing but sign a piece of paper saying they were at war with us. Congress gave the President some awesome powers to go to war. The Congress was certainly behind the President. The Congress also gave the President the power "to reorganize government agencies, establish censorship, seize alien-owned property and award contracts without competitive bidding." We even put our own citizens in concentration camps, just in case. We won that war after several years at the price of hundreds of thousands of young American lives. We stayed to rebuild Japan and 1/2 of Germany through several decades. We still maintain substantial forces in each. mike Girls only want boyfriends who have great skills--You know, like nunchuk skills, bow-hunting skills, computer-hacking skills. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Casurf1978 0 #22 October 28, 2004 QuoteSo remind me again why instead of simply fighting our aggressors, we also went to Europe to fight the Germans and Italians? It's rather simple. OK Japan attacked us in Dec 7, 1941, a few days later Italy and Germany declared war on us. Also remember Germany, Italy and Japan made up the Axis powers. Luckily for us and Britain Hitler was a f-ing moron and attacked Russia a few months before Pearl. Sometimes I wonder 'what-if' Hitler did not launch Barbarosa and Japan did not attack in 1941 what the World would look like now. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites juanesky 0 #23 October 28, 2004 Let's not forget we still maintain a lot of ungrateful whinners"According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites christelsabine 1 #24 October 28, 2004 America cut commercial supplies of Japan. That was reason for Pearl Harbour. No doubt, Japan was ally of Germany. But Dec. 41 - what Nightingale expressed - was not based on alliance with Germany. The war against US was declared after Pearl Harbour. Go back home and count your goats. dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mnischalke 0 #25 October 28, 2004 The two of me? Anyway, if you sign a piece of paper with two of your friends pledging alligence to each, and then you punch me in the face, why would I have to start fighting your buddies, if they've not done a thing to me yet? What's that piece of paper got to do with me? mike Girls only want boyfriends who have great skills--You know, like nunchuk skills, bow-hunting skills, computer-hacking skills. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 Next Page 1 of 2 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. 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pajarito 0 #8 October 28, 2004 QuoteI ahve two grandfather who fought in that war, on three different continents...never mind family members who fought in the resistance.. GOD BLESS HOLLAND AND CANADA Totally agree. I have the deepest respect for everyone from that generation who fought with the Allied forces. My Granddad's best friend in the war and whom he served side by side with was a French-Canadian nicknamed "Tet." He spoke of him often. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #9 October 28, 2004 I have a book with a listing and description of every mission my grandfather flew in south east asia during WWII, amazing stuff........ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnischalke 0 #10 October 28, 2004 Hmmm, So Japan bombs the US. Check. The US declares war on Japan the next day. Check. So remind me again why instead of simply fighting our aggressors, we also went to Europe to fight the Germans and Italians? mike Girls only want boyfriends who have great skills--You know, like nunchuk skills, bow-hunting skills, computer-hacking skills. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #11 October 28, 2004 QuoteSo remind me again why instead of simply fighting our aggressors, we also went to Europe to fight the Germans and Italians? Because a declaration of war on japan automatically meant a declaration of war on the other participants.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
juanesky 0 #12 October 28, 2004 Because Germany declared war against the US."According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
juanesky 0 #13 October 28, 2004 It's not surprising you don't know the actual facts."According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnischalke 0 #14 October 28, 2004 Correct! Dec. 11 Germany and Italy declared war on the US. But does a declaration of war by countrys several thousand miles away, which are already embroiled in war on every front, mean we must send troops to fight those countries? Remember, the Germans and Italians had done nothing against the US at this point. mike Girls only want boyfriends who have great skills--You know, like nunchuk skills, bow-hunting skills, computer-hacking skills. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnischalke 0 #15 October 28, 2004 Incorrect. The US declared war on Japan on Dec. 8. (Japan) mike Girls only want boyfriends who have great skills--You know, like nunchuk skills, bow-hunting skills, computer-hacking skills. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #16 October 28, 2004 QuoteIt's not surprising you don't know the actual facts. Congressional Declaration of War on Japan: December 8, 1941 Germany declared War on the US: December 11, 1941 Now, why do you think Germany declared war on the US on that date? Do you really think it had nothing to do with the US declaration of War on Japan? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
juanesky 0 #17 October 28, 2004 Mike, Congress passed a resolution on that day Dec 11. QuoteQuote Congressional Declaration of War on Germany December 11, 1941 The President's Message To the Congress of the United States: On the morning of Dec. 11 the Government of Germany, pursuing its course of world conquest, declared war against the United States. The long-known and the long-expected has thus taken place. The forces endeavoring to enslave the entire world now are moving toward this hemisphere. Never before has there been a greater challenge to life, liberty and civilization. Delay invites great danger. Rapid and united effort by all of the peoples of the world who are determined to remain free will insure a world victory of the forces of justice and of righteousness over the forces of savagery and of barbarism. Italy also has declared war against the United States. I therefore request the Congress to recognize a state of war between the United States and Germany, and between the United States and Italy. Franklin D. Roosevelt The War Resolution Declaring that a state of war exists between the Government of Germany and the government and the people of the United States and making provision to prosecute the same. Whereas the Government of Germany has formally declared war against the government and the people of the United States of America: Therefore, be it Resolved by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled, that the state of war between the United States and the Government of Germany which has thus been thrust upon the United States is hereby formally declared; and the President is hereby authorized and directed to employ the entire naval and military forces of the government to carry on war against the Government of Germany; and to bring the conflict to a successful termination, all of the resources of the country are hereby pledged by the Congress of the United States "According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #18 October 28, 2004 the two of you may want to look up the Three-Power Pact signed in Berlin on September 27, 1940 before you both stick your foot deeper in your mouth..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #19 October 28, 2004 QuoteSo remind me again why instead of simply fighting our aggressors, we also went to Europe to fight the Germans and Italians? Ummm, because they were blowing up our commercial shipping vessels and declared war against us. Check. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
juanesky 0 #20 October 28, 2004 QuoteQuoteSo remind me again why instead of simply fighting our aggressors, we also went to Europe to fight the Germans and Italians? Because a declaration of war on japan automatically meant a declaration of war on the other participants.... [helps taking foot out of mouth]and the word automatically would have meant that they did not need to declare war against the US did it? Yet they did. It is a fact, regardless of motivation, they took a pen, a piece of paper and wrote, "dear US, we declare war on your ass", it was not so automatic as you can see.[/helps put foot back where it belongs]"According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnischalke 0 #21 October 28, 2004 Yep. Sounds like Germany and Italy was a pretty big threat to the US, although they had done nothing but sign a piece of paper saying they were at war with us. Congress gave the President some awesome powers to go to war. The Congress was certainly behind the President. The Congress also gave the President the power "to reorganize government agencies, establish censorship, seize alien-owned property and award contracts without competitive bidding." We even put our own citizens in concentration camps, just in case. We won that war after several years at the price of hundreds of thousands of young American lives. We stayed to rebuild Japan and 1/2 of Germany through several decades. We still maintain substantial forces in each. mike Girls only want boyfriends who have great skills--You know, like nunchuk skills, bow-hunting skills, computer-hacking skills. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Casurf1978 0 #22 October 28, 2004 QuoteSo remind me again why instead of simply fighting our aggressors, we also went to Europe to fight the Germans and Italians? It's rather simple. OK Japan attacked us in Dec 7, 1941, a few days later Italy and Germany declared war on us. Also remember Germany, Italy and Japan made up the Axis powers. Luckily for us and Britain Hitler was a f-ing moron and attacked Russia a few months before Pearl. Sometimes I wonder 'what-if' Hitler did not launch Barbarosa and Japan did not attack in 1941 what the World would look like now. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
juanesky 0 #23 October 28, 2004 Let's not forget we still maintain a lot of ungrateful whinners"According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
christelsabine 1 #24 October 28, 2004 America cut commercial supplies of Japan. That was reason for Pearl Harbour. No doubt, Japan was ally of Germany. But Dec. 41 - what Nightingale expressed - was not based on alliance with Germany. The war against US was declared after Pearl Harbour. Go back home and count your goats. dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnischalke 0 #25 October 28, 2004 The two of me? Anyway, if you sign a piece of paper with two of your friends pledging alligence to each, and then you punch me in the face, why would I have to start fighting your buddies, if they've not done a thing to me yet? What's that piece of paper got to do with me? mike Girls only want boyfriends who have great skills--You know, like nunchuk skills, bow-hunting skills, computer-hacking skills. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
