"ASBOs" -- Just how insane is life under Britain's laws?!

[Trent 0]

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You only show your own personal uneducated low level.

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As you are no native North American citizen, you surely do not represent the average North American opinion.

Well, most Americans probably don't know a lot about the queen. The rest of us could give a shit about her since she really doesn't have a whole hell of a lot to do with what goes on over there. So I'd be willing to bet that most people don't really have an opinion of her one way or another.

Oh, hello again!

[juanesky 0]

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How respectful of you, dude. I am sure you want to be treated with the same consideration.

And that is coming from someone who pretends to be impartial when he post comments in here to the lines of Bush is Hitlerand thrives on bashing US at every post?


Yep, I can say it as long as it is a country's bashing. Isn't pay back a bitch?.

Wow the amount of whining is incredible, hey, it is fair game to bash Bush, the US, but god forgive if it is their precious land. You guys make me laugh.

Christel, maybe someday you will learn how to construe a better personal attack and /or write a legible-proof read post in english.

"According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon

[SkyDekker 1,465]

lol, I am still laughing about the fact that some one from a country where it is against the law(in some states) to get a blow job, is complaining about how insane life would under Britain's law.

Land of the free, well as long as you don't want a blowjob........

[Trent 0]

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lol, I am still laughing about the fact that some one from a country where it is against the law(in some states) to get a blow job, is complaining about how insane life would under Britain's law.

Well, should we take the tactics of the guys in this post who say, "Mind your own business because you don't live here and it's a domestic issue so shut up"?

Or should we educate you as to the fact that that law is rarely used, most often in cases of rape or molestation. It is used as an addition charge to people who already did something despicable. Not to ruin your saturday night.

If you're gonna throw stuff like that out, be intellectually honest about what it really does.

Oh, hello again!

[SkyDekker 1,465]

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Well, should we take the tactics of the guys in this post who say, "Mind your own business because you don't live here and it's a domestic issue so shut up"?

Or should we educate you as to the fact that that law is rarely used, most often in cases of rape or molestation. It is used as an addition charge to people who already did something despicable. Not to ruin your saturday night.

If you're gonna throw stuff like that out, be intellectually honest about what it really does.

Or in divorce issues......

So, what you are saying is that you have stupid laws, but they are only selectively used for good things...

Doesn't that apply to the questions posed in the first post in this thread?

[Trent 0]

What I'm saying is that sodomy laws are often used to add on to charges for rape, murder, and molestation.

We have some stupid laws like... you can't put an icecream cone in your front pants pocket in public. But they're not used at all.

ASBOs mentioned in the article seemed to blatantly diminish peoples' fundamental rights. Why not just punish the people according to the "real" laws in Britain instead of telling them that they cannot listen to their radio and confiscating their CDs? Good thing that happened in Britain, because that's downright un-American!

Oh, hello again!

[juanesky 0]

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Fuck the Queen

That is one fine statement

OTOH:
As you are no native North American citizen, you surely do not represent the average North American opinion. You only show your own personal uneducated low level.

Once again insults and personal attacks from you. Maybe it is a language barrier or something. I think my historicals facts will never be the same as yours, specially when they are about WWII.

"According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon

[akarunway 1]

I don't see them as much different from restraining orders issued by US courts. Some of these have been pretty bizarre, too. -------------------------------- And mind you some U.S states have preventitive detention laws. 24 to 72 hrs w/ no charges which I can attest to personally. 24 hrs in jail (Ca.) they let me go and I asked what I was charged with. They said nothing. It was a law in Ca to keep me from hurting myself or someone else. ( result of a wild toga party ) No due process. Also my son was aressted in Fla. for loud music. Part of his probation was he was not allowed to own ANY electronic equiptment that made noise. So much for only in the UK eh?

I hold it true, whate'er befall;
I feel it, when I sorrow most;
'Tis better to have loved and lost
Than never to have loved at all.

[kallend 2,148]

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I don't see them as much different from restraining orders issued by US courts. Some of these have been pretty bizarre, too. --------------------------------
And mind you some U.S states have preventitive detention laws. 24 to 72 hrs w/ no charges which I can attest to personally. 24 hrs in jail (Ca.) they let me go and I asked what I was charged with. They said nothing. It was a law in Ca to keep me from hurting myself or someone else. ( result of a wild toga party ) No due process. Also my son was aressted in Fla. for loud music. Part of his probation was he was not allowed to own ANY electronic equiptment that made noise. So much for only in the UK eh?

Yes, PJ and Trent are throwing stones from within a glass house.

Fortunately BJs are legal in Illinois.

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[Trent 0]

Where did I say I support regulations that violate rights? huh? Nice try, professor.

I guess you're for the judges being able to tell someone they can't listen to music or own stereo equipment? I didn't enter the thread bashing the ASBOs, just the people telling PJ to mind his business since it was a British domestic issue. I thought that was funny in a hypocritical sort of way.

I wouldn't support a US judge telling someone what they can or cannot say or listen to either. I merely explained how some of the sodomy laws were used here in the US.

Stop trying to sum up other people's arguments when you don't even bother to read through them.

Oh, hello again!

[juanesky 0]

I can not make any conclusion by your brief descriptions of your incidents. However if you were in wild toga party, and they kept you in jail to cool off, no charges, you got away without charges. As far as your son goes, if he got probation, he then got his day in court.

Perhaps if you tell us more details we could understand what you are trying to say.

The laws and the court system are not perfect, however, they give you a fair shot. I believe PJ's questions are not troll, and very valid.

"According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon

[Paulipod 0]

I would say that someone absolutley deserves to lose the right to play or own a stereo if they have demonstrated in the past that they are not responsible enough to show consideration socially.

I would say its better to restrict certain rights than to simply allow offences to increment until imprisonment is required.

As for ppl tellin PJ its a domestic issue, this is the latest of many troll type subjects he has posted... and hence people tend to reply more strongly I guess.

Bodyflight Bedford
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[juanesky 0]

We can see clearly now, PJ using an actual report from your so "infallible" and dear BBC, then it is a troll.

Yet when is fat america, or bush bashing it is ok.

It is not troll, get over it. At least you are being honest about you prefer for them to curtail your rights on individual basis.

"According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon

[Paulipod 0]

Actually, its not the discussion on ASBO's that I think is Troll...

If you read through this thread you will see I am happy to discuss the issue.

However, in this and many other threads PJ makes remarks of a derrogatory nature to brits at every chance... and the emphasis of his remarks in this topic are really about loony britain etc.. not really the point.

Feel free to read PJ's past posts and you will easily see what I am referring to...

So nothing for me to get over.

Bodyflight Bedford
www.bodyflight.co.uk

[juanesky 0]

Same thing happens when many of you guys go posting things as to FAT AMERICA, Ok to assasinate Bush, etc, etc.

It's easy for me to see that too....hence my comment in regards to your queen..Offence for which I coul get the death penalty.

"According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon

[Paulipod 0]

And if anyone posts Troll regarding America... or Bush... then I would say the same thing..

I am happy to discuss any issue, and also happy to point out when someone is being derogatory for no other purpose than to offend or create a reaction.

Bodyflight Bedford
www.bodyflight.co.uk

[kallend 2,148]

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Where did I say I support regulations that violate rights? huh? Nice try, professor.

Where did I say you did. I said people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones, and that includes you.

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[peacefuljeffrey 0]

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firstly I believe ASBO's mostly result in a fixed penalty fine (mr2mk1g can probably clarify this).

I seriously doubt that the ASBO's are handed out arbitarily as the UK has very high burdens of proof. Personal experience we have an alcoholic neighbour who runs around naked (yuch 50 yr old woman), drives drunk (extremely drunk) and causes on average so many 999 calls that most of us are on first name terms with the emergency services - but still the burden of proof is not high enough...

Okay, and I suppose I'm not supposed to have a problem with THAT situation?! Why the hell can't the police get her for EITHER an ASBO or just a plain old charge of DRUNK DRIVING?! This reinforces my notion that Britain has an upside-down criminal justice system.

-Jeffrey

-Jeffrey
"With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!"

[peacefuljeffrey 0]

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I'm not sure what PJ's agenda is with Britain (you guys say he has one...) but some of the ASBO's listed are a bit silly and seem to infringe upon some basic rights.

ANYWAY, I think it's fuckin hilarious that some of you Brits are all fired up about someone ridiculing your country and have told him to mind his own business. I guess we can expect you to not participate in any further US-based threads then, for fear of becoming hypocrites... right? Thought so.

And as for article 19... so are you to tell me that I cannot run a website where I limit access to people that I want? Sounds like your reaching here.

They've already crossed the border into hypocrisy. They ridicule the website access limits as anti-"article 19," but I'm sure they would defend any given person's right to, say, run a restaurant and require people to wear long pants and collared shirts. The difference is what, exactly? Proprietary ownership is proprietary ownership. I think they're just mad because with what their taxes are up to, for paying for their socialized medicine, they can't afford all the porn sites they wish they could be members of, and they want the right to limit access thrown out in corut so that the doors would be flung open and then they could see titties and other naughty bits!

-Jeffrey

-Jeffrey
"With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!"

[peacefuljeffrey 0]

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How respectful of you, dude. I am sure you want to be treated with the same consideration.

When The Guardian solicits for assassins of American presidents, I think it's pretty tame to suggest we simply fornicate with Britain's monarch.

-Jeffrey

-Jeffrey
"With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!"

[Paulipod 0]

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They've already crossed the border into hypocrisy. They ridicule the website access limits as anti-"article 19," but I'm sure they would defend any given person's right to, say, run a restaurant and require people to wear long pants and collared shirts. The difference is what, exactly? Proprietary ownership is proprietary ownership.

The difference EXACTLY is that the Bush campaign is not a restaurant chain, it is a political party that want to control the planets largest government.

Given that a democracy is based on the will of the people - the issue is if not all the people can see the policies its not really on. Yes I know the voters are from the US, but you cant expect to keep good internation relations if the rest of the world dont know what you're about.

Hell, what I am talking to you about international relations for

Bodyflight Bedford
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[peacefuljeffrey 0]

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I can't speak for any other Brits on here but it's the sheer level of rage that PJ shows over our domestic issues that bemuses me, especially since he has stated several times that he will never visit our country. It used to be quite amusing but it's really starting to get boring now.
I've got no problem with people giving their views on our laws, it's quite interesting to see an outsiders point of view. When it comes to PJ, the guy's just rude.

And sometimes I'm not.

For the record, I have been to England. I spent a semester of college there in 1992. I enjoyed the time I spent there -- although there are definitely lifestyle differences that I don't care for, compared with life here, to which I am so accustomed.

I would not RETURN there because the attitudes of Brits regarding justice and rights sicken me. The Orwellian direction in which your country is heading troubles me. People here are watching what you are doing over there, and getting (bad) ideas, and then they attempt to institute these atrocities -- like cameras watching the people on every street corner -- in MY country. So naturally I criticize the departure from sanity that England is engaged in. I used to be an "anglophile," and now I am just disgusted. England used to be such a cool place.

-Jeffrey

-Jeffrey
"With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!"

[Paulipod 0]

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I would not RETURN there because the attitudes of Brits regarding justice and rights sicken me

Cant say I am dissapointed by this, as frankly I would write to my MP if our border controls allowed such an error

Bodyflight Bedford
www.bodyflight.co.uk

[peacefuljeffrey 0]

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Fortunately BJs are legal in Illinois.

Well dude ...come on... They had to leave one thing!

-Jeffrey

-Jeffrey
"With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!"

[peacefuljeffrey 0]

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As for ppl tellin PJ its a domestic issue, this is the latest of many troll type subjects he has posted... and hence people tend to reply more strongly I guess.

I post about things I want to see discussed, thank you very much, and as you can see, that's exactly what happens. Do I abandon the thread after setting people hopping, as a troll would? No. I engage in the discussion.

You really need to stop calling me a troll, because it not only is an inapplicable epithet, it amounts to a personal insult, and forum rules forbid that. Maybe billvon or someone will put you under an ASBO rather than ban you for a couple of weeks.

-Jeffrey

-Jeffrey

-Jeffrey
"With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!"