Russian Spec Ops Moved Weapons from Iraq to Syria prior to 3/03

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Fox just broke the story. Other networks are to report this tomorrow. Who woulda thunk it?!? Big surprise here!

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Hrm...largest Oil for Food money recipient...seller of arms to Iraq...against the war...

Wouldn't surprise me at all.

Dunno if it's true, but it sure explains some stuff, doesn't it?

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Makes John Kerry & the Democrats look monumentally more like the jackasses that they are.

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Makes John Kerry & the Democrats look monumentally more like the jackasses that they are.

Really? I think it makes the CIA, NSA and the Bush administration look like jackasses.

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Read, dear professor.

http://www.nationalreview.com/may/may200410271536.asp

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'cause like . . . we all know that The National Review is totally unbiased?

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Makes John Kerry & the Democrats look monumentally more like the jackasses that they are.

Really? I think it makes the CIA, NSA and the Bush administration look like jackasses.

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Fox just broke the story.

No. The Washington Times just broke the story. Fox just repeated it, badly.

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GERTZ // THURSDAY // WASH TIMES: Russian special forces troops moved many of Saddam Hussein's weapons and related goods out of Iraq and into Syria in the weeks before the March 2003 U.S. military operation, The Washington Times has learned. John A. Shaw, the deputy undersecretary of defense for international technology security, said in an interview that he believes the Russian troops, working with Iraqi intelligence, “almost certainly” removed the high-explosive material that went missing from the Al-Qaqaa facility, south of Baghdad.

"Almost certainly" is not the same as "certainly".

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Read, dear professor.

http://www.nationalreview.com/may/may200410271536.asp

Lots of speculation and little fact there.

But if Russian special ops moved stuff to Syria, how come we didn't know about it? Were we looking the other way or something just prior to a major military operation? More "bad intel"?

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So does this:

mediamatters.org/items/200410270009

Looks like plenty of innuendo and deception going around right now, on all sides.

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But if Russian special ops moved stuff to Syria, how come we didn't know about it? Were we looking the other way or something just prior to a major military operation? More "bad intel"?

Maybe it's about not being aware of every camel fart in Iraq. Maybe it has something to do with Torrecelli and Gorlick castrating our intel gathering capacity.

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But if Russian special ops moved stuff to Syria, how come we didn't know about it? Were we looking the other way or something just prior to a major military operation? More "bad intel"?

Maybe it's about not being aware of every camel fart in Iraq. Maybe it has something to do with Torrecelli and Gorlick castrating our intel gathering capacity.

So (allegedly) moving thousands of weapons across the border into Syria is "a camel fart"? What exactly does it take for our intelligence agencies to be able to see it? Billboards? Laser light shows?

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Fox just broke the story. Other networks are to report this tomorrow. Who woulda thunk it?!? Big surprise here!

If this is true, regardless of your political affiliation.....THIS IS HUGE!!

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But if Russian special ops moved stuff to Syria, how come we didn't know about it? Were we looking the other way or something just prior to a major military operation? More "bad intel"?

Maybe it's about not being aware of every camel fart in Iraq. Maybe it has something to do with Torrecelli and Gorlick castrating our intel gathering capacity.

So (allegedly) moving thousands of weapons across the border into Syria is "a camel fart"? What exactly does it take for our intelligence agencies to be able to see it? Billboards? Laser light shows?

10 dump trucks in a country as large as Iraq picking up a load here and a load there? Sure I call that a camel fart especially when you consider all the other activities we had to watch at that time. I think you grossly over-estimate our spying ability. Especially when Liberals like Torrecelli and Gorelick slash their capabilities.

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But if Russian special ops moved stuff to Syria, how come we didn't know about it? Were we looking the other way or something just prior to a major military operation? More "bad intel"?

Maybe it's about not being aware of every camel fart in Iraq. Maybe it has something to do with Torrecelli and Gorlick castrating our intel gathering capacity.

So (allegedly) moving thousands of weapons across the border into Syria is "a camel fart"? What exactly does it take for our intelligence agencies to be able to see it? Billboards? Laser light shows?

10 dump trucks in a country as large as Iraq picking up a load here and a load there? Sure I call that a camel fart especially when you consider all the other activities we had to watch at that time. I think you grossly over-estimate our spying ability. Especially when Liberals like Torrecelli and Gorelick slash their capabilities.

You are just making excuses. We were (supposedly) watching the Syrian border. We knew where the arms were (said Rumsfeld).

Of course, the story could be bogus. It did come from an Bush administration official with no supporting evidence. Even Colin Powell showed pictures of the balloon gas generators mobile bio weapons labs.

Fact is, neither you nor I nor anyone else on this forum knows whether it's true or not.

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Makes John Kerry & the Democrats look monumentally more like the jackasses that they are.

Really? I think it makes the CIA, NSA and the Bush administration look like jackasses.

Or like the assholes who believe Kerry...

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Fact is, neither you nor I nor anyone else on this forum knows whether it's true or not.

Agreed. But you were the one doing the Bush bashing and insinuating it was true. I simply offered you a plausable alternative view.

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The plot thickens:

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Oct. 27, 2004 — Iraqi officials may be overstating the amount of explosives reported to have disappeared from a weapons depot, documents obtained by ABC News show.


The Iraqi interim government has told the United States and international weapons inspectors that 377 tons of conventional explosives are missing from the Al-Qaqaa installation, which was supposed to be under U.S. military control.


But International Atomic Energy Agency documents obtained by ABC News and first reported on "World News Tonight with Peter Jennings" indicate the amount of missing explosives may be substantially less than the Iraqis reported.


The information on which the Iraqi Science Ministry based an Oct. 10 memo in which it reported that 377 tons of RDX explosives were missing — presumably stolen due to a lack of security — was based on "declaration" from July 15, 2002. At that time, the Iraqis said there were 141 tons of RDX explosives at the facility.


But the confidential IAEA documents obtained by ABC News show that on Jan. 14, 2003, the agency's inspectors recorded that just over 3 tons of RDX was stored at the facility — a considerable discrepancy from what the Iraqis reported.


The IAEA documents could mean that 138 tons of explosives were removed from the facility long before the start of the United States launched "Operation Iraqi Freedom" in March 2003.


The missing explosives have become an issue in the presidential campaign. Sen. John Kerry has pointed to the disappearance as evidence of the Bush administration's poor handling of the war. The Bush camp has responded that more than a thousand times that amount of explosives or munitions have been recovered or destroyed in Iraq.




Another Concern


The IAEA documents from January 2003 found no discrepancy in the amount of the more dangerous HMX explosives thought to be stored at Al-Qaqaa, but they do raise another disturbing possibility.


The documents show IAEA inspectors looked at nine bunkers containing more than 194 tons of HMX at the facility. Although these bunkers were still under IAEA seal, the inspectors said the seals may be potentially ineffective because they had ventilation slats on the sides. These slats could be easily removed to remove the materials inside the bunkers without breaking the seals, the inspectors noted.

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Fox just broke the story.

No. The Washington Times just broke the story. Fox just repeated it, badly.

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GERTZ // THURSDAY // WASH TIMES: Russian special forces troops moved many of Saddam Hussein's weapons and related goods out of Iraq and into Syria in the weeks before the March 2003 U.S. military operation, The Washington Times has learned. John A. Shaw, the deputy undersecretary of defense for international technology security, said in an interview that he believes the Russian troops, working with Iraqi intelligence, “almost certainly” removed the high-explosive material that went missing from the Al-Qaqaa facility, south of Baghdad.

"Almost certainly" is not the same as "certainly".

LOL! -- The Washington Times is certainly not biased, either!!

So let me see if I understand this.
High explosives -- weapons of mass destruction -- were taken out of Iraq prior to our entry, by Russia, a country which along with France and Germany (all of which opposed the war) was embezzling wealth through the oil-for-food program, and which sold Iraq arms? Doesn't that mean that Iraq did indeed possess the WMD that Bush's intelligence said they'd had? Doesn't that not only justify the war but also implicate Russia as our ENEMY once again, working deliberately and surreptitiously against us?? And then didn't say anything as our country tore itself apart over whether the war was justified?! And now the story gets broken and what is Russia going to say to cop out for this?

-Jeffrey

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Whoops! Say what you might about The Washington Times, I was thinking of The Washington Post when I wrote that.

The rest stands.

-Jeffrey

-Jeffrey
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'cause like . . . we all know that The National Review is totally unbiased?

What if the reporter used to be with the New York Times? Does that make him more legitimate in your eyes?

With the timing, it's hard to take any reporting of this story very seriously. The spin on it from every side is pretty amazing.

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With the timing, it's hard to take any reporting of this story very seriously. The spin on it from every side is pretty amazing.

I agree that it's pretty ludicrous; however, John Kerry is using it as his keystone attack against Bush in the final week before election. An accusation as weak and a story as obvious as this is all he's got in a last ditch desperate stand to try and win the Presidency. I mean, really, ya think weapons might have been smuggled out with the knowledge of our coming seeing as how those were the kinds of things we'd be looking for? It certainly can’t be pinned on Bush in the direct manner in which Kerry is stating. I just think it’s funny (rather sad) that the two major so called “bombs” being dropped in the last months of the race haven’t really come from the candidate but rather from the media. Hmmmmmm….. It’s not their job to try and unseat a President. It’s their job to present the news. I think people responsible from within the organization should be prosecuted. That is, if it can be determined that was their motive. It’s a very sad and pathetic state of affairs.

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Fox just broke the story.

No. The Washington Times just broke the story. Fox just repeated it, badly.

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GERTZ // THURSDAY // WASH TIMES: Russian special forces troops moved many of Saddam Hussein's weapons and related goods out of Iraq and into Syria in the weeks before the March 2003 U.S. military operation, The Washington Times has learned. John A. Shaw, the deputy undersecretary of defense for international technology security, said in an interview that he believes the Russian troops, working with Iraqi intelligence, “almost certainly” removed the high-explosive material that went missing from the Al-Qaqaa facility, south of Baghdad.

"Almost certainly" is not the same as "certainly".

LOL! -- The Washington Times is certainly not biased, either!!

So let me see if I understand this.
High explosives -- weapons of mass destruction -- were taken out of Iraq prior to our entry, by Russia, a country which along with France and Germany (all of which opposed the war) was embezzling wealth through the oil-for-food program, and which sold Iraq arms? Doesn't that mean that Iraq did indeed possess the WMD that Bush's intelligence said they'd had? Doesn't that not only justify the war but also implicate Russia as our ENEMY once again, working deliberately and surreptitiously against us?? And then didn't say anything as our country tore itself apart over whether the war was justified?! And now the story gets broken and what is Russia going to say to cop out for this?

-Jeffrey

You're building a castle on a pretty shaky foundation here. All we've had in support of this assertion is that some undersecretary in the Bush administration "believes" it. I mean, some people believe in fairies too.

Maybe you remember this story that was posted here with great glee from the right, and which turned out to be bogus.

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High explosives -- weapons of mass destruction -- were taken out of Iraq prior to our entry, by Russia ...

Since when did high explosives become WMD?

I thought WMD included nuclear, biological and chemical weapons only. Big Boy, Anthrax and Agent Orange for example.

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And what evidence has been presented to support the assertion that the Russians did it?