Ann Coulter...

[Airman1270 0]

In response to the "What Annoys You" thread, I think this might be worth it's own discussion: Women who are dominated by emotion at the expense of logic.

It drives me nuts when my wife gets pissy about something but cannot articulate a reason for her displeasure, nor explain what can be done to correct the situation. You haven't lived 'til you've had an argument with a 40+ year-old woman whose response to a question is "Because!" If I lay out a connected series of statements explaining why I think thus about a situation, her eyes glaze over and she accuses me of "lecturing." (If I don't say anything, I'm "not communicating.") When I ask why she thinks thus about the issue, she gets frustrated because she's not developed the skill to express herself effectively.

For example - she has a problem controlling the kids, a pattern I noticed years ago. (When giving a toddler a command, you don't finish by asking if it's "okay"... As in "Pick up your toys, okay?") When they do the usual things kids do, such as not obeying, etc., it's a learning moment and it must be dealt with. But this doesn't mean you need to lose your composure and freak out. She'll get flustered, give up, and ask me to fix the problem. Yet, while acknowleging I have a talent for dealing with the kids, she'll not accept any advice. If I try to offer some anyway she'll quickly point out some irrelevant fact regarding my own imperfections & shortcomings.

At times like this I wish I was married to someone like Ann Coulter. I've not often been attracted to thin women, but I could make an exception for A.C. because, when we do eventually have a fight, I can expect her to offer a rational, logical explanation, rather than just make some cruel comment about one of my weaknesses.

So what's up, ladies? And while we're on the subject, can someone explain this powerful drive to make a scene in front of people, rather than keep the quarrel private?

Just wondering,
Jon

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At times like this I wish I was married to someone like Ann Coulter. I've not often been attracted to thin women, but I could make an exception for A.C. because, when we do eventually have a fight, I can expect her to offer a rational, logical explanation, rather than just make some cruel comment about one of my weaknesses.

Bwa ha ha! Yeah, because Ann's all about being rational and logical...she never poisons the well or makes a personal attack. LOL

Blues,
Dave

"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!"
(drink Mountain Dew)

[rehmwa 2]

Big lesson learned here (sounds like you are past the 10 year anniversary mark at least):

Can't win -

Don't try

Just keep moving

(Also note, if you are better than her at something, it is likely because you somehow undermined her abilities. Accept it, you won't win that discussion either.)

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[Airman1270 0]

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Bwa ha ha! Yeah, because Ann's all about being rational and logical...she never poisons the well or makes a personal attack. LOL
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Yes, she can be a bulldozer, and in political discussions she can mix it up with the big boys. But if you read her columns, you'll see she uses logic to arrive at her conclusions and can back up what she says.

Jon

[McDuck 0]

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Big lesson learned here (sounds like you are past the 10 year anniversary mark at least):

Can't win -

Don't try

Just keep moving

(Also note, if you are better than her at something, it is likely because you somehow undermined her abilities. Accept it, you won't win that discussion either.)

Egg-ZACHARY! The secret to winning is not playing...and pretending to still play. Just let it go, like pickle juice off a duck's back.

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[skymama 37]

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So what's up, ladies? And while we're on the subject, can someone explain this powerful drive to make a scene in front of people, rather than keep the quarrel private?

What's up? First, I think you're stereotyping women with those questions. Not all women are like your wife. In fact, I don't have any of the same qualities that you have described nor have I ever made a "scene" in my life. The only way she's going to change is if she sees her behavior as a problem and decides to make a conscience effort to work on it. Maybe you can get a third party involved, like a counselor who can watch how you two interact with each other.

She is Da Man, and you better not mess with Da Man,
because she will lay some keepdown on you faster than, well, really fast. ~Billvon

[weegegirl 2]

Yeah... what Mamma said. And as far as scenes go... I would rather die than be involved in a "scene". I thought that was a guy thing.

[Airman1270 0]

...First, I think you're stereotyping women with those questions...

Yes. Yes I am. But it's happened more times than I care to think about. (Maybe I just attract this type?)

...counselor...

Great advice. I've been suggesting it for seven years.

It's encouraging knowing there are plenty out there who are more like you.

Cheers,
Jon

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Women who are dominated by emotion at the expense of logic.

A good friend of mine (french canadian) is literally going thru hell (45 yrs. old.)
She is extremely emotional and the second an emotion is triggered she cannot rationalize. She has no problem infront of friends, family...expressing her "hot flashes."
Watch out if she has had a drink........(drama queen)

It was getting very uncomfortable for us to visit
(luv her to death but was avoiding her)
Felt so sorry for her husband and family, but we all kept trying to convince her to get to the doctor and get some help.

Now she is taking hormone pills she is a different person: she started counselling also and taken some lessons on communicating how she feels. Re: I feel angry because...I feel upset now because....I feel sad because...I feel happy because...

SMiles

[skymama 37]

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Great advice. I've been suggesting it for seven years.

Do more than just suggest it then. Make an appointment with a counselor. Tell your wife that if she wants to stay married, then she needs to show up.

She is Da Man, and you better not mess with Da Man,
because she will lay some keepdown on you faster than, well, really fast. ~Billvon

[OnYourBack 0]

"Maybe I just attract this type?"



If its happened that many times perhaps you choose this type. Like women who are attracted to the bad boy and then wonder why they always get dumped on. I see this in my little sister over and over.

[AggieDave 6]

Heh, and now a relationship thread has been moved to SC just because of a name.

I wonder how well the thread will progress now, or if it'll die a firery death in the pits of arguement in this forum.

--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline."

[ChasingBlueSky 0]

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Bwa ha ha! Yeah, because Ann's all about being rational and logical...she never poisons the well or makes a personal attack. LOL

Blues,
Dave

haha - I was thinking the same thing. Read any of her books and he would feel otherwise. Or watch RealTime this Friday - she will be on there.

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Heh, and now a relationship thread has been moved to SC just because of a name.

Well, it's a name with a history and strong emotions attached.

I'm almost certain the original poster understood this when he picked Ms. Coulter out of the millions of other examples he could have.

I'll admit it, I moved it here just because of that. Call it a "pre-emptive strike".

Let's put it this way, if this guy thinks Ann Coulter is the standard by which logical and less emotional women are to be judged, then I'd really hate to meet the shrew, screaming harpy of a bitch wife he's married to.

quade -
The World's Most Boring Skydiver

[AggieDave 6]

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if this guy thinks Ann Coulter is the standard by which logical and less emotional women are to be judged, then I'd really hate to meet the shrew, screaming harpy of a bitch wife he's married to.

D'oh.

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I'll admit it, I moved it here just because of that. Call it a "pre-emptive strike".

hehehe...I think you're having fun.

--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline."

[rehmwa 2]

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Let's put it this way, if this guy thinks Ann Coulter is the standard by which logical and less emotional women are to be judged, then I'd really hate to meet the shrew, screaming harpy of a bitch wife he's married to.

{hops in - only because this was bonfire and hasn't turned YET into SC material}

Is that one, two, or three personal attacks? I'm not sure. I'm thinking two.

{hops out}

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Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

[peregrinerose 0]

Knock it off with the generalizations like this. I can very clearly and logically spell out what I am thinking in a way my husband understands, and he can do the same for me. We may never agree with each other on certain things, but we do understand each other.

There are definitely many more women who are not pathologically emotional than those who are. Honestly, it sounds like she may have some insecurity issues going on. Don't bother trying to change her, you can't change other people. She will resent you for it just as much as you would resent her from trying to make you into something you are not.

Do or do not, there is no try -Yoda

[quade 4]

Ann Coulter is a public (all too public if you ask me) figure and fair game (as well as fairly gamey).

I would have thought you'd go after me more for the mixed metaphor imagery.

quade -
The World's Most Boring Skydiver

[rehmwa 2]

That's why I thought it was 2 and not 3.

The guy, his wife are being personally slammed and Ann is fair game. 3-1=2

The mixed metaphors are wonderful and I wouldn't go after them as much as applaud them for being well done instead of the whole "some groups are idiots and this guy belongs to those groups" theme. (shrew+screaming+bitch = nicely constructive PA)

see you in a week

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Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

[quade 4]

The attack is against Coulter, not the guy or wife.

Perhaps that could have been more clear had I said " . . . if a guy thinks . . . " rather than " . . . if this guy thinks . . . ".

My apologies for any collateral damage.

quade -
The World's Most Boring Skydiver

[dropoutdave 0]

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So what's up, ladies? And while we're on the subject, can someone explain this powerful drive to make a scene in front of people, rather than keep the quarrel private?

Hahaha I know exaclty what you mean. For some reason, if your having an argument in public, women just somehow become your own P.A. system. I hate making any kind of a scene in public and whenever i've asked my s.o. to keep it down she always yells " NO I WILL NOT SHUT UP!!!!" so everyone in the area knows what you've just said.

I've learnt a new trick as of late, when something that is totally unimportant somehow, as if by magic, becomes an issue and my s.o. want to have it out, I just completely refuse to argue. Its really annoying apparently but hey, the next day an apology normally comes.

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[Airman1270 0]

...I'd really hate to meet the shrew, screaming harpy of a bitch wife he's married to.

[crozby 0]

My wife is of the same personality type as yours.

After many insane, circular, frustrating, childish, pointless, hurtful arguments I've come to the conclusion that I either love her for what she is, or I leave her, because this behaviour is built in to her personality and its not changeable.

It's as the saying goes: You can't teach an old dog new tricks.

... not that my wife is an old dog.

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[peregrinerose 0]

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Hahaha I know exaclty what you mean. For some reason, if your having an argument in public, women just somehow become your own P.A. system. I hate making any kind of a scene in public and whenever i've asked my s.o. to keep it down she always yells " NO I WILL NOT SHUT UP!!!!" so everyone in the area knows what you've just said.

Hmmm, neither my husband or I do this. Partly because we almost never argue. Though we have been known to go to Home Depot and he screams "I love you" across the entire store at me

Do or do not, there is no try -Yoda

[MikeMcLean 0]

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I'd really hate to meet the shrew, screaming harpy of a bitch wife he's married to.

Would that be a "personal attack"?

It wouldn't hurt you to think like a fucking serial killer every once in a while - just for the sake of prevention