Liberal logic

[kallend 2,118]

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It's done by a select few for the specific purpose of serving their sadistic desires. Deliberately insulting people whether directly or by association is not conducive to civilized conversation and only serves to demonstrate viscious, petty and anti-social behavior.

I agree.

Does this mean you'll stop attacking and/or insulting either directly or by association?

Cool beans.

(Not directed at PK anymore...)
This is the funniest story I've seen. I mean, let's see. 380 tons go missing after the UN say it's there, and part of the WMD. (January or February, 2003...I think...)

The UN leaves. So does the 380 tons.

It's reported that it's gone at the time (April 2003).

Then, just before the election, the story comes out like it's brand new. Like we don't remember what happened. Oh hell, like we can't google things and find things out. Kerry's running a commercial that says "and now, 380 tons of explosives have gone missing...". Now? NOW??....

So that leaves us with three options....

A. The media thinks we're stupid.
B. Kerry thinks we're stupid.
C. Both of the above....

LOL....

Ciels-
Michele

1. UN has 380 tons of explosives (and a lot of nuclear materials) secured and sealed.

2. Bush tells UN to leave because US is going to invade.

3. UN leaves

4. US invades, secures oil facilities

The nasty stuff goes missing sometime after step 3.


5. News finally breaks, US DoD announced an investigation


Seems like Bush bears a whole lot of the blame here. If they could secure the oil wells, why couldn't they secure the nasty stuff since they knew where it was.

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[PhillyKev 0]

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Conservative logic states that even though inspectors can't find any WMD and after invasion and occupation of a country we can't either, that they do in fact exist. But when the US military has control over explosives and documents their existence and now can't find them, that it's a made up story, even after the administration confirms its validity.

You bought the lie.....and then you spread it! The US military never had control off those munitions!!! When they got to the sight after Bagdad fell they were already gone!!! This was confirmed today by NBC and the imbeded reported that when in with then in April 2003. The UN put out this info yesterday and they new the facts. No agenda with those bribed FH's huh

You're right....I did make an error there in my statement. The US military didn't have direct control of the munitions. The UN did, they had it tagged, sealed, and inventoried and ready for disposal.

Then we invaded, the UN left, told us where those tagged, sealed and inventoried munitions were and we didn't do anything to secure them.

If those explosives are now in the hands of terrorists, it is a direct result of Bush's actions.

[rushmc 23]

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Conservative logic states that even though inspectors can't find any WMD and after invasion and occupation of a country we can't either, that they do in fact exist. But when the US military has control over explosives and documents their existence and now can't find them, that it's a made up story, even after the administration confirms its validity.

You bought the lie.....and then you spread it! The US military never had control off those munitions!!! When they got to the sight after Bagdad fell they were already gone!!! This was confirmed today by NBC and the imbeded reported that when in with then in April 2003. The UN put out this info yesterday and they new the facts. No agenda with those bribed FH's huh

You're right....I did make an error there in my statement. The US military didn't have direct control of the munitions. The UN did, they had it tagged, sealed, and inventoried and ready for disposal.

Then we invaded, the UN left, told us where those tagged, sealed and inventoried munitions were and we didn't do anything to secure them.

If those explosives are now in the hands of terrorists, it is a direct result of Bush's actions.

A lie again, they were gone before we got there, so says and embedded CNN reporter this morning. This story was reported just after Bagdad fell and is nothing new and no more than a political hack job. The reason these supplies, (powders only!) are missins is because France, Russia, Japan and Germany were under bribes to stop the invasion at the UN level and it gave Iraq time to move them as they had done before.

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[PhillyKev 0]

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A lie again, they were gone before we got there, so says and embedded CNN reporter this morning.

How did I lie when I said the exact same thing. They were gone before we got there because we did nothing to secure them. If we had made efforts to secure them, then they wouldn't be gone.

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The reason these supplies, (powders only!) are missins is because France, Russia, Japan and Germany were under bribes to stop the invasion at the UN level and it gave Iraq time to move them as they had done before.

The reason these supplies are gone is because the UN team that had them secured was pulled out because of our impending invasion.

[kallend 2,118]

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Conservative logic states that even though inspectors can't find any WMD and after invasion and occupation of a country we can't either, that they do in fact exist. But when the US military has control over explosives and documents their existence and now can't find them, that it's a made up story, even after the administration confirms its validity.

You bought the lie.....and then you spread it! The US military never had control off those munitions!!! When they got to the sight after Bagdad fell they were already gone!!! This was confirmed today by NBC and the imbeded reported that when in with then in April 2003. The UN put out this info yesterday and they new the facts. No agenda with those bribed FH's huh

You're right....I did make an error there in my statement. The US military didn't have direct control of the munitions. The UN did, they had it tagged, sealed, and inventoried and ready for disposal.

Then we invaded, the UN left, told us where those tagged, sealed and inventoried munitions were and we didn't do anything to secure them.

If those explosives are now in the hands of terrorists, it is a direct result of Bush's actions.

A lie again, they were gone before we got there, so says and embedded CNN reporter this morning. This story was reported just after Bagdad fell and is nothing new and no more than a political hack job. The reason these supplies, (powders only!) are missins is because France, Russia, Japan and Germany were under bribes to stop the invasion at the UN level and it gave Iraq time to move them as they had done before.

Lets try this again:

UN has stuff sealed and under their control.

Bush tells UN to GET OUT because he is going to invade. UN does as it is told. US in now an occupying force, responsible logically and in international law, for what goes on in Iraq.

Stuff goes missing UNDER BUSH'S WATCH. Exactly when it went missing UNDER BUSH'S WATCH is immaterial.

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[rushmc 23]

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Conservative logic states that even though inspectors can't find any WMD and after invasion and occupation of a country we can't either, that they do in fact exist. But when the US military has control over explosives and documents their existence and now can't find them, that it's a made up story, even after the administration confirms its validity.

You bought the lie.....and then you spread it! The US military never had control off those munitions!!! When they got to the sight after Bagdad fell they were already gone!!! This was confirmed today by NBC and the imbeded reported that when in with then in April 2003. The UN put out this info yesterday and they new the facts. No agenda with those bribed FH's huh

You're right....I did make an error there in my statement. The US military didn't have direct control of the munitions. The UN did, they had it tagged, sealed, and inventoried and ready for disposal.

Then we invaded, the UN left, told us where those tagged, sealed and inventoried munitions were and we didn't do anything to secure them.

If those explosives are now in the hands of terrorists, it is a direct result of Bush's actions.

A lie again, they were gone before we got there, so says and embedded CNN reporter this morning. This story was reported just after Bagdad fell and is nothing new and no more than a political hack job. The reason these supplies, (powders only!) are missins is because France, Russia, Japan and Germany were under bribes to stop the invasion at the UN level and it gave Iraq time to move them as they had done before.

Lets try this again:

UN has stuff sealed and under their control.

Bush tells UN to GET OUT because he is going to invade. UN does as it is told. US in now an occupying force, responsible logically and in international law, for what goes on in Iraq.

Stuff goes missing UNDER BUSH'S WATCH. Exactly when it went missing UNDER BUSH'S WATCH is immaterial.

Dam, you are right.......we need to watch something before we get there By the way, this 380 tons is 1/10 of 1% of the the explosives that are under control. The US and coalition forces have control of over 400,000 tons. This 380 tons story was reported in April 03, this is old news and a political hack attack! It is a non story

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[pajarito 0]

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Lets try this again:

UN has stuff sealed and under their control.

Bush tells UN to GET OUT because he is going to invade. UN does as it is told. US in now an occupying force, responsible logically and in international law, for what goes on in Iraq.

Stuff goes missing UNDER BUSH'S WATCH. Exactly when it went missing UNDER BUSH'S WATCH is immaterial.

I’m surprised that a physics & engineering professor like you isn’t more of a logical thinker. It disturbs me that you have such an influence over developing influential young minds.

Bush certainly isn’t responsible for what went on in Iraq prior to us taking over the country. The UN proved itself many times in this case over the course of more than a decade to be ineffective, incompetent, and corrupt. How is it “under Bush’s watch” if the stuff was moved and hidden prior to the invasion or before it was completed? That would be like saying, if Saddam had been threatening to kill 100 hostages prior to our invading and followed through once we did, that what Saddam did was also Bush’s fault. This whole thing is a very weak and panicked attempt to influence the election yet another time within recent months by the liberal media. Pathetic!

[Vallerina 2]

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I’m surprised that a physics & engineering professor like you isn’t more of a logical thinker. It disturbs me that you have such an influence over developing influential young minds.

I'm sorry! That made me laugh! He goes from step A to B clearer than most people on the forums.

Actually, I think it's funny that the liberals being associated with math and science on these forums has a pretty high correlation.

There's a thin line between Saturday night and Sunday morning

[billvon 3,090]

>I’m surprised that a physics & engineering professor like you isn’t more
>of a logical thinker. It disturbs me that you have such an influence over
>developing influential young minds.

Cut it out Paj.

[pajarito 0]

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I'm sorry! That made me laugh! He goes from step A to B clearer than most people on the forums.

Actually, I think it's funny that the liberals being associated with math and science on these forums has a pretty high correlation.

Smooth transition from A to B but can't seem to accurately come up with C.

Define "association with math & science." Do you have to teach it? Otherwise, I know plenty who are both Democrat & Republican. My wife being a Republican with an undergraduate degree in Mathematics. She went on to Med School and now works as an OB/GYN Physician. I don't think you can accurately make the insinuation that Democrats are the elite intellectuals and Republicans are just poor, dumb, and misguided. There's a reason why they call it a liberal college or university. I graduated from one. I can understand why Kallend might lean so far to the left.

[pajarito 0]

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>I’m surprised that a physics & engineering professor like you isn’t more
>of a logical thinker. It disturbs me that you have such an influence over
>developing influential young minds.

Cut it out Paj.

Sorry.

[Vallerina 2]

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I know plenty who are both Democrat & Republican.

Uhh...that's why I said that there's a strong correlation. It's not a "1" correlation. There are always exceptions. But, on these boards, it seems that the people who have a math/science background tend to be liberals.

There's a thin line between Saturday night and Sunday morning

[pajarito 0]

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I know plenty who are both Democrat & Republican.

Uhh...that's why I said that there's a strong correlation. It's not a "1" correlation. There are always exceptions. But, on these boards, it seems that the people who have a math/science background tend to be liberals.

I took almost all the math & science required for engineering before choosing MIS as my major. Never made below a B average in any of it. I'm obviously a Republican. I'm sure there are more.

[kallend 2,118]

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I know plenty who are both Democrat & Republican.

Uhh...that's why I said that there's a strong correlation. It's not a "1" correlation. There are always exceptions. But, on these boards, it seems that the people who have a math/science background tend to be liberals.

I took almost all the math & science required for engineering before choosing MIS as my major. Never made below a B average in any of it. I'm obviously a Republican. I'm sure there are more.

See - that's two mistakes you made

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[kallend 2,118]

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Dam, you are right.......we need to watch something before we get there

If you choose to invade another country, there are some things you should think about ahead of time. However, thinking ahead is not this administration's strong suit

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By the way, this 380 tons is 1/10 of 1% of the the explosives that are under control. The US and coalition forces have control of over 400,000 tons.

Nice little cache for Al Qaeda, though. Bush is now their best recruiter AND their quartermaster.

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This 380 tons story was reported in April 03, this is old news and a political hack attack! It is a non story

Funny, it seems like a story with "legs" to me.

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[pajarito 0]

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See - that's two mistakes you made

The market was hot for MIS/Computer Science types when I was in college. I had been married for a short while, had a baby boy, and my wife was in Medical School. I needed to be sure of getting a good paying job when I got out to support them. It just worked out that way.

[rushmc 23]

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Dam, you are right.......we need to watch something before we get there

If you choose to invade another country, there are some things you should think about ahead of time. However, thinking ahead is not this administration's strong suit

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By the way, this 380 tons is 1/10 of 1% of the the explosives that are under control. The US and coalition forces have control of over 400,000 tons.

Nice little cache for Al Qaeda, though. Bush is now their best recruiter AND their quartermaster.

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This 380 tons story was reported in April 03, this is old news and a political hack attack! It is a non story

Funny, it seems like a story with "legs" to me.

I now gets better. In 1995 the UN inspectors had found these high explosive powders. They asked the UN to destroy these supplies. (Newsmax has found reports from CBS and NBC on this very topic) The UN said it was not necessary to destroy these powders at that time. In Feb. 2003 CBS and NBC report, based on the inspectors information, that these same powders are being moved.......

Now, add to that fact that the US has intelligence that show the head of the UN IAEA has been helping Iran with information that will help them avoid UN sanctions in regards to thier atomic program so the US and the Bush Admin want him out! He is the one that supposedly released this "new" information

See the trend? Any your man Kerry wants to get into bed with the UN crooks

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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There is no point discussing these type of facts with the liberals. It's out of the context of "IT'S BUSH'S FAULT"

"According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon

[pajarito 0]

Pathetic and shameful.

[penniless 0]

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Dam, you are right.......we need to watch something before we get there

If you choose to invade another country, there are some things you should think about ahead of time. However, thinking ahead is not this administration's strong suit

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By the way, this 380 tons is 1/10 of 1% of the the explosives that are under control. The US and coalition forces have control of over 400,000 tons.

Nice little cache for Al Qaeda, though. Bush is now their best recruiter AND their quartermaster.

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This 380 tons story was reported in April 03, this is old news and a political hack attack! It is a non story

Funny, it seems like a story with "legs" to me.

I now gets better. In 1995 the UN inspectors had found these high explosive powders. They asked the UN to destroy these supplies. (Newsmax has found reports from CBS and NBC on this very topic) The UN said it was not necessary to destroy these powders at that time. In Feb. 2003 CBS and NBC report, based on the inspectors information, that these same powders are being moved.......

Now, add to that fact that the US has intelligence that show the head of the UN IAEA has been helping Iran with information that will help them avoid UN sanctions in regards to thier atomic program so the US and the Bush Admin want him out! He is the one that supposedly released this "new" information

See the trend? Any your man Kerry wants to get into bed with the UN crooks

Would this be the same US Intelligence that got it's "bad intel" from an Ahmed Chalabi, the guy with strong ties to Iranian intelligence?

Funny how you blame Bush's mistakes on "bad intel" but then trust the intel when it suits you.

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Dam, you are right.......we need to watch something before we get there

If you choose to invade another country, there are some things you should think about ahead of time. However, thinking ahead is not this administration's strong suit

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By the way, this 380 tons is 1/10 of 1% of the the explosives that are under control. The US and coalition forces have control of over 400,000 tons.

Nice little cache for Al Qaeda, though. Bush is now their best recruiter AND their quartermaster.

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This 380 tons story was reported in April 03, this is old news and a political hack attack! It is a non story

Funny, it seems like a story with "legs" to me.

I now gets better. In 1995 the UN inspectors had found these high explosive powders. They asked the UN to destroy these supplies. (Newsmax has found reports from CBS and NBC on this very topic) The UN said it was not necessary to destroy these powders at that time. In Feb. 2003 CBS and NBC report, based on the inspectors information, that these same powders are being moved.......

Now, add to that fact that the US has intelligence that show the head of the UN IAEA has been helping Iran with information that will help them avoid UN sanctions in regards to thier atomic program so the US and the Bush Admin want him out! He is the one that supposedly released this "new" information

See the trend? Any your man Kerry wants to get into bed with the UN crooks

Would this be the same US Intelligence that got it's "bad intel" from an Ahmed Chalabi, the guy with strong ties to Iranian intelligence?

Funny how you blame Bush's mistakes on "bad intel" but then trust the intel when it suits you.

For me to respond to your post I have to accept your premise that Bush made mistakes, which I don't!....so I won't......

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[SkyDekker 1,465]

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For me to respond to your post I have to accept your premise that Bush made mistakes, which I don't!....

You truly believe this man has not made mistakes?

[billvon 3,090]

> For me to respond to your post I have to accept your premise that
>Bush made mistakes, which I don't!

Yeah, wasn't George Bush declared infallible recently on matters of national security by the GOP?

[rushmc 23]

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> For me to respond to your post I have to accept your premise that
>Bush made mistakes, which I don't!

Yeah, wasn't George Bush declared infallible recently on matters of national security by the GOP?

Kind of testy aren't we?

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[billvon 3,090]

>Kind of testy aren't we?

I was kidding! The GOP really didn't say that. I just thought it funny that in a thread entitled 'liberal logic' someone said the president has never made a mistake.